Kylian Mbappe | PSG

Mbappé is a striker, Neymar a playmaker (with very good finishing abilities). They just have a different role on the pitch. Overall, Neymar is a far better football player than Mbappé but you can't really compare both players. CR7 doesn't have that much influence on the game for exemple, until he scores. If you want to compare Mbappé to someone, it can't be Messi or Neymar, it has to be with other real strikers like R9, CR7 etc.

The point is; Neymar has played Mbappe's role before where he wasn't tasked with the playmaking burden and was only required to add the finishing touches in the atacking phase and he played it just as well (39 goals in all competitions in la liga and joint-topscorer in the CL during the 14/15 season at 22-23 years old).

While Neymar could play Mbappe's role too, I don't think Mbappe is capable of playing Neymar's role to the same degree.
 
I still think Neymar is a comfortably better player as of now. I suppose those who prefer Mbappe don't really watch PSG play all that much because it is so obvious to see. Neymar's biggest issue is his strained popularity while Mbappe is loved by almost everyone. However, when they really win the CL everybody will watch them play and granted that Neymar comes back in his previous form he'll be their standout player. People underestimate how good the Brazilian is. I believe he is to Mbappe what Messi was to him. There's simple that little gap in quality you can't overcome and as long as you play in the same team, there is not much room for discussion because people have the direct comparison and don't need to compare what if scenarios.

Also, I doubt that Mbappe's ceiling is as high as Neymar's. Neymar does things with a football nobody else currently can and his frightingly effective at it as well. He puts his skills to use and this is a very rare ability. I've only seen Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho and Okocha capable of similar things. Mbappe has his lightning pace speaking for him but in the end Neymsr does not only reach comparable goal stats but simultaneously also influences the game way more through his dribblings and passes. Judging by his performances, I can't imagine Mbappe can do the same anytime in the future. With Neymar these things were there for everyone to see from the very beginning, the only question was if he would be able to make use of them. Mbappe however has never displayed dribbling and technical qualities on a similar level. Neymar was all about being talented and gifted while Mbappe is more about being extremely mature for his age and a unique athlete. Of course he is still world class in those areas (so this is criticism on a very high level) but not "once or twice in a generation" level of qualities.

I mean, how do you expect him to improve in order to enter the Neymar/Messi/Cristiano tier? When young players develop they usually enhance their decision making and calmness. You don't improve that much in technical areas after coming of age. Sure, you can improve the consistency of your touches etc. but I highly doubt that you can develop as much as it would be necessary for Mbappe to reach Neymar/Messi levels of technical ability.

And that's the reason why I don't think he'll surpass even one of them. Sure, there's always room for improvement and he'll learn to take even better decisions and make fewer mistakes but that's where it stops for me. The fact that he's that incredibly mature for his age also means that there's less room for improvement left for him. I mean, if you watch old footage of Ronaldo Nazario, Messi, Cristiano or Neymar at the same age, you see prodigies that maybe already have some end product but you also immediately make out flaws in their decisions. That's not the case for Mbappe - he usually chooses the best alternative available to him. He comes at his limits when the space gets tight or he needs to create things on his own and those issues are related to areas in which I can't believe he can improve as much as it would be required to become as good as Neymar.


There are plenty of players that have come and gone with Neymar's technical ability, what makes Neymar brilliant isn't his technical and dribbling ability and often times it actually is one of his flaws as he tries to do too much with it and winds up either losing the ball or get himself hurt. As the saying goes, the best ability is first and foremost availability, which Neymar has far too often been unable to use for club and and country (which is also why we don't speak of R9 as the GOAT which on talent and ability he should have been). You confuse ability with dribbling far too often in your argument as well, Mbappe is not as good of a dribbler as Neymar, not many people on the planet are, but he has more than enough ability to get past any defenders more often than not. Also, I wouldn't say Neymar is once or twice in a talent generation in levels of qualities (which comes off as meaning dribbling from your argument but maybe I'm misunderstanding) as there's plenty of players that have come and gone with incredible technique but they either didn't have the mental, the professionalism, or the rest of the areas needed to be covered to become a great or even solid player.

And the bolded part shows you clearly haven't been following him as much as you seem to claim in your first sentence. This has been something that's been argued since even before Mbappe joined PSG, that all there is to him is that he's extremely fast, decent technically, and his decision-making is already great so he can't really improve much, and today he is behind only Messi in the European golden boot (in less games and with 1 penalty taken and scored vs 3 scored by the Argentine), defenders by now have far more knowledge on him, and yet they can't stop him from scoring in a variety of ways at the age of 19-20 that Neymar was not capable of at that age. Last year, he's come off a season where he was basically playing (and still is) out of position and was all about delegating to Neymar and Cavani.

Here's what you need to understand, players like Mbappe are not going to stop improving in all areas, including dribbling. I don't think it's right to compare a 20 years old Mbappe who is treating Neymar as his mentor and delegates to him quite a lot still this season when they've played together (and Neymar does an excellent job of finding Mbappe in return, they have a great understanding together), to a Neymar who is basically a finished product at this point. He may improve a bit more, but we have a much clearer idea of where he stands compared to where Mbappe will be by his age (although some of you have taken the complete liberty of already deciding where he will be, which is so silly for a player that young).

Finally, if you can't find much flaws in Mbappe's decision making, I suggest you actually watch PSG play and you'll see there are plenty of examples that he still has a lot of work to do. What makes Mbappe incredible is actually that despite his flaws and still rawness on many counts such as finishing and decision-making, he is still breaking records left and right in a team where he's not even in the main man that the team is built around.
 
Sorry, but you are pulling this out of your arse. Messi was considered a very good decision maker for his age, yet he still improved. As good as Mbappe is his decision making can certainly improve and bolded is subjective and grossly inaccurate (given the amount of options available to a player at any given time even a "good" decision can be substituted for a "better" decision)


Again not sure why you are only focusing on skills. The JJ Okocha reference was silly as he isn't in the same stratosphere as anyone of the players you mention. All it did was show YOU place an a high importance on technical ability when rating players. Also Mbappe is no slouch technically (I'm not sure what you watching) even though he is no Neymar. And how the hell does he not have a good combination of technical and physical ability? Looks like you are mistaking Mbappe for Rashford.


I don't understand the bolded but regardless you're being intellectually dishonest. You can't cite his stats and then claim his play transcends stats. You're basically creating a built in excuse in case Mbappe surpasses his production. Great attackers are judged heavily on their production. This is how it is and how it always will be for the foreseeable future. Just b/c it doesn't fit into your narrative it doesn't make it less so.

So yes, Mbappe reaching Neymar (we are talking about Neymar not even Messi) is "very doable" given what we have seen so far.

You misunderstood him. Great attackers are judged on their production yes. But what separates merely greats from the very best of the greats? What elevated T Henry above the other attackers of his generation who were just as productive (Ruud)? He was an influential player outside goals. Im not sure that Mbappe does or will ever have the influence (in addition to his goals) to ever be as rounded an attacker as Neymar. Hes not exceptionally technically gifted, no is ge exceptional as a playmaker. I simply dont think he has the attributes to be.
 
And Real Madrid seemed close to get him when he departed Monaco.
He looks like being programmed to go there but we never know what the future will be and i’m curious to see how Madrid will evolve in the next few years.

I hoped he’ll stay in Paris with his Brazilian buddy, next year at least and why not another year in bonus.

He is made to replace Cavani as the main striker soon.

I think he will leave PSG in 2021 or 2022.

In the meantime, let's enjoy :drool:
 
You misunderstood him. Great attackers are judged on their production yes. But what separates merely greats from the very best of the greats? What elevated T Henry above the other attackers of his generation who were just as productive (Ruud)? He was an influential player outside goals. Im not sure that Mbappe does or will ever have the influence (in addition to his goals) to ever be as rounded an attacker as Neymar. Hes not exceptionally technically gifted, no is ge exceptional as a playmaker. I simply dont think he has the attributes to be.

And yet Mbappe is better at pretty much every aspect of the game than Henry was at the same age.
 
He is made to replace Cavani as the main striker soon.

I think he will leave PSG in 2021 or 2022.

In the meantime, let's enjoy :drool:
He will stay at the minimum until his last year because then PSG have no choice but to sell or he leaves on a free. He will leave PSG after his contract is done he has nothing else to prove there.
 
And yet Mbappe is better at pretty much every aspect of the game than Henry was at the same age.

If he keeps the same rhythm in about 3 years, Mbappé will have more goals and assists in CL than Henry had in his entire career.
 
That wasn't a fair deal. Lukaku and 180 million then.

If Kane is worth 200m Mbappe is probably worth 300m. Besides, they are the richest club in the world, he'd need to be desperate to leave for any deal to be even remotely plausible.
 
And yet Mbappe is better at pretty much every aspect of the game than Henry was at the same age.
Henry benefited from an arsenal team that played to his strengths by laying a perfect pass each time onto his path to run onto. He however struggled to make a meaningful impact in cl and World Cup.... contrast with Mbappe, the guy is incredible.
 
Kane isn't worth 200M. No club would pay that for him.

It's not integral to my point that 200m + a decent player won't be enough to acquire Mbappe, but it wouldn't surprise me if Kane went for something north of 150m. Dembele and Coutinho have failed quite miserably given they went for 130-145m. At least Kane guarantees goals.
 
Henry benefited from an arsenal team that played to his strengths by laying a perfect pass each time onto his path to run onto. He however struggled to make a meaningful impact in cl and World Cup.... contrast with Mbappe, the guy is incredible.

Henry was a monster in the CL and Arsenal got to the final against Barcelona largely thanks to him, especially against Real Madrid where he basically took the ball in midfield and ran through the Madrid defense on his own. His best World Cup was probably his first one at the age of 20 but I agree he never really had a standout World Cup although he was exceptional at the Euro 2000.
 
If he keeps the same rhythm in about 3 years, Mbappé will have more goals and assists in CL than Henry had in his entire career.

Ruud had more CL goals than Titi, what's your point? Reducing everything to goals again. Haven't we been here before? Goals alone dont decide the greatness of a player. Thierry Henry is one of tge greatest strikers of all time.
 
Ruud had more CL goals than Titi, what's your point? Reducing everything to goals again. Haven't we been here before? Goals alone dont decide the greatness of a player. Thierry Henry is one of tge greatest strikers of all time.

An attacking player that isn't complete won't have more goals AND assists. Henry wasn't more complete than Mbappé not at a young age and not later either.
 
Henry was a monster in the CL and Arsenal got to the final against Barcelona largely thanks to him, especially against Real Madrid where he basically took the ball in midfield and ran through the Madrid defense on his own. His best World Cup was probably his first one at the age of 20 but I agree he never really had a standout World Cup although he was exceptional at the Euro 2000.
Henry definitely wasn’t a monster in the CL.
 
If Kane is worth 200m Mbappe is probably worth 300m. Besides, they are the richest club in the world, he'd need to be desperate to leave for any deal to be even remotely plausible.

Unless Mbappe wants to leave PSG will easily refuse 300m. It's not as if they need the money and a world class youngster from Paris is worth way more to a club as rich as PSG. Same situation with Kane imo, some players aren't attainable unless they want to move, in which case it's a completely different question.
 
An attacking player that isn't complete won't have more goals AND assists. Henry wasn't more complete than Mbappé not at a young age and not later either.

Youre honestly saying that Mbappe at the moment is more complete thn Thierry Henry at his peak? Are you serious? Henry still has the record of 20 Premier league assists in one season. Whats Mbappes best assist season to date, and does it come close to that? Some massive overeating of Mbappe here
 
Youre honestly saying that Mbappe at the moment is more complete thn Thierry Henry at his peak? Are you serious? Henry still has the record of 20 Premier league assists in one season. Whats Mbappes best assist season to date, and does it come close to that? Some massive overeating of Mbappe here

There is a difference between effectiveness and completeness, at his peak Henry was far more efficient than Mbappé currently is and that's why he was a great player but he wasn't more complete, there is nothing that Henry did that Mbappé doesn't. Also you are comparing a 20 years old player with a player at his peak which is silly and the point that both Sayros and I made, Henry at the same age was a lesser player than Mbappé.
 
There is a difference between effectiveness and completeness, at his peak Henry was far more efficient than Mbappé currently is and that's why he was a great player but he wasn't more complete, there is nothing that Henry did that Mbappé doesn't. Also you are comparing a 20 years old player with a player at his peak which is silly and the point that both Sayros and I made, Henry at the same age was a lesser player than Mbappé.

We were initially talking Mbappe and Henry like for like aga wise but then i responded to a poster who compared Mbappe to peak Henry. Thierry Henry at his peak was a better decision maker than Mbappe is now. He was also a better finisher than Mbappe is now. Free kicks? Need i go on?
 
We were initially talking Mbappe and Henry like for like aga wise but then i responded to a poster who compared Mbappe to peak Henry. Thierry Henry at his peak was a better decision maker than Mbappe is now. He was also a better finisher than Mbappe is now. Free kicks? Need i go on?

And none of these make a player more rounded outside of goals, in fact what you just mentioned is directly linked to goals. Henry at his peak was a better player than Mbappé currently is because he was experienced and fine-tuned, not because he was more rounded. Mbappé at 20 is more rounded than Henry at 20 and today Mbappé is a very complete footballers, so it makes no sense when you say that Mbappé doesn't have the attributes to be as rounded as peak Henry since Henry had less attributes at the same age.
 
You misunderstood him. Great attackers are judged on their production yes. But what separates merely greats from the very best of the greats? What elevated T Henry above the other attackers of his generation who were just as productive (Ruud)? He was an influential player outside goals. Im not sure that Mbappe does or will ever have the influence (in addition to his goals) to ever be as rounded an attacker as Neymar. Hes not exceptionally technically gifted, no is ge exceptional as a playmaker. I simply dont think he has the attributes to be.
What? Mbappe is an influential player outside of goals as well. He already has 9 assists this season (4 in the champions league). Last season he had 11. Mbappe is a more direct player than Neymar. Neymar technical ability is only rivaled by probably Messi, so using that as a stick to beat Mbappe with doesn't make sense.

Sometimes I wonder if people have ever seen this kid play...
 
Nothing wrong with the comparison with Henry. Although I want to see him be capable of pulling the attacking strings the way Henry used to for Arsenal.

The one comparison that doesn't work at all the Messi one. As Tuchel says, Mbappe is a goalscorer and he will end up being an absolutely phenomenal one but not the whole multiple players rolled into one that Messi is.

But the comparisons to the likes of Henry seem normal and apt.
 
It's not integral to my point that 200m + a decent player won't be enough to acquire Mbappe, but it wouldn't surprise me if Kane went for something north of 150m. Dembele and Coutinho have failed quite miserably given they went for 130-145m. At least Kane guarantees goals.
Given who PSG is owned by they'll never be convinced by any fee as long as the players isn't making a fuss over his contract.
However if Mbappe made his intention to leave Paris clear and that the club agreed to let him ho then the fee then he could go for a 200M
fee.

In Kane's case this is just Levy telling clubs they can't sign him, he's a world class striker, one of the best in the business but for 200M you expect a gamechanger like Neymar.
 
Unless Mbappe wants to leave PSG will easily refuse 300m. It's not as if they need the money and a world class youngster from Paris is worth way more to a club as rich as PSG. Same situation with Kane imo, some players aren't attainable unless they want to move, in which case it's a completely different question.

I agree.
 
Knowing how savvy and methodical Mbappe and his family can be, I'm sure there is an under-the-table agreement that he will be allowed to leave over the next 2-3 years, maybe even sped up if PSG manage to win the CL before that time. One of his goals is to play for Real Madrid, it doesn't necessarily mean he will as I think Neymar had that same sort of goal prior to joining Barcelona, but given the Madrid's team major need to overhaul their offense I can see him going there within that time.
 
I'm sure there is an under-the-table agreement that he will be allowed to leave over the next 2-3 years
Qatar doesn't do verbal agreement and the whole negotiation over Mbappe's contract was leaked by football leaks, he asked for tons of stuff, only got half of them and none of the things he did get would give him a way out.
Also I don't agree with the opinion that Mbappe WILL definitely look for a way out at some point.
He was a Ronaldo fanboy, not a Madrid fan.

I could totally see him staying his whole career at PSG, he was born in Paris after all.
 
Qatar doesn't do verbal agreement and the whole negotiation over Mbappe's contract was leaked by football leaks, he asked for tons of stuff, only got half of them and none of the things he did get would give him a way out.
Also I don't agree with the opinion that Mbappe WILL definitely look for a way out at some point.
He was a Ronaldo fanboy, not a Madrid fan.

I could totally see him staying his whole career at PSG, he was born in Paris after all.
Many members on the caf think MBappe will leave which is basically wishful thinking as far as I'm concerned. They only need to look at the Veratti situation, PSG, once they value someone, they just don't let him go.
 
We'll see what happens when it comes to contract renewal time. Really though, if he were to leave, Spain is his only destination. He'd not leave PSG to join United, I doubt the PSG owners would sell to City, Bayern/Juve wouldn't pay the 9 figure fee (would they?), but Barca/Real... Maybe.
 
Mbappe is hard to describe because he’s got the lethal movement and finishing of Owen/Trezeguet and can drift wide like an Henry, has the passing of a Benzema (not quite 10 level but good for a 9.5) and the skill set of a Cristiano (past his prime). He does all of these things in patches but doesn’t quite bring it together in the same aesthetic quality of a R9 but he possesses a fantastic mentality which in addition to a myriad of all these qualities above means in his prime he could be a formidable all time level forward.

Personally if there was just a single player I’d liken him to it’s probably Shevchenko in his prime but with a dash more skill and better mentality.

He also has elements of Suarez (ruggedness and aggressiveness) and Eusebio (can operate across final third in one game and run teams ragged).

Owen is not a good comparison and R9 is simply too talented but a better stylistic comparison.
 
Watching this guy run against your team is truly terrifying. The last player who looked this dangerous and explosive running at a defense was R9.
 
Qatar doesn't do verbal agreement and the whole negotiation over Mbappe's contract was leaked by football leaks, he asked for tons of stuff, only got half of them and none of the things he did get would give him a way out.
Also I don't agree with the opinion that Mbappe WILL definitely look for a way out at some point.
He was a Ronaldo fanboy, not a Madrid fan.

I could totally see him staying his whole career at PSG, he was born in Paris after all.

He wants to go to Madrid, that is one of his confirmed goals by many sources around him, he's not just a CR7 fan. For me, there is 0% chance he stays at PSG his whole career, it's not going to happen. He may stay a few more years, but he will be gone in a world-record fee IMO.
 
Rightly judged offside, but that pass :drool:

 
He’s a bit good isn’t he. Plays like a 30 year old.

Dream scenario is that he stays at PSG for a year and joins us in 12-18 months when we’ve got our shit together.

Martial, Rashford, Mbappe with Pogba plus two behind. That’s 5+ years of scary for anyone in world football.
 
He’s a bit good isn’t he. Plays like a 30 year old.

Dream scenario is that he stays at PSG for a year and joins us in 12-18 months when we’ve got our shit together.

Martial, Rashford, Mbappe with Pogba plus two behind. That’s 5+ years of scary for anyone in world football.

Will never happen, let’s be honest. But we will be fine without him.
 
This is what I mean about this stupid hype. It was a good flick but now amazing. Let’s forget his 2-3 headless chicken monuments.

Yeah he's definitely had a bad game so far, but so have most of the PSG team. It's definitely not a high quality match by any means.
 
This is what I mean about this stupid hype. It was a good flick but now amazing. Let’s forget his 2-3 headless chicken monuments.

He is definitely having a bad game despite the assist.
 
This guy is clumsy on the ball. Doesn’t have anywhere near the close control of a 19 year old Messi.