Kylian Mbappe | PSG
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What is amusing about this is that I think his best goal/game ratio is in the Champion's League.
These are probably the same people that say “Pele was only good because the Brazilian League was full of farmers.”The kid would be great in any league, no doubt about it. Of course if he doesn't score in the Premier league or La Liga, then it doesn't mean anything.
Clueless.
Mbappe has obviously been a world class talent. Those who said before hand that he wasn’t, and that he needs to prove himself etc were just denying the obvious.
It’s like the idiots who called Kane a one season wonder.
It’s like the idiots who called Kane a one season wonder.
It seems they consider the French league as the equivalent of the Armenian league.
Well there are always hard to please football experts finding new unsubstantiated reasons to doubt what’s clear for most. Look at me I’m a nuanced git.
Seeing him for ten seconds the first game I saw him, it was utterly obvious. He is insanely good, hope his career is free of injuries a la Messi, Ronaldo - and not like Bale, Owen, Reus, Shaw etc
Third game in a row with at least a goal and an assist. Let's see if he can add to that in the second half. Rennes are completely dominated, but the referee is not helping them either with some of his calls. I feel they should have had at least one penalty.
2 goals and 2 assists tonight. Beast.
The thing is, if you know which qualities you should pay attention, you can recognize the level of the players no matter where they are. Example:
- Paulinho in the Chinese league: 1800 minutes, 07 goals/02 assists.
- Paulinho La Liga: 924 minutes, 07 goals/02 assists.
Wow. Neymar and Mbappe really works.
It was essential for PSG to get both and not just one
It was essential for PSG to get both and not just one
He'll be much better than Neymar, think it'll be Mbappe to win the Balon d'Or after the Messi/Ronaldo era.
The French League is pretty bad but Mbappé is still impressive.. it's just a shame than he didn't join the Premier League or La Liga instead of joining Paris
The French League is pretty bad but Mbappé is still impressive.. it's just a shame than he didn't join the Premier League or La Liga instead of joining Paris
A shame for you maybe, I'm glad he went to Paris and plays for his home club. It'll mean a hell of a lot more to him to have a chance to win a CL with PSG than with Madrid or any PL clubs. The kid has plenty of time in his career to try other leagues anyways.
The French League is pretty bad but Mbappé is still impressive.. it's just a shame than he didn't join the Premier League or La Liga instead of joining Paris
He had his pick of clubs, every side would love him.
Walks into and improves every team in the world.
One of those names is not like the others....
His balance is brilliant, I don't think he's massively strong but he just rides challenges so well and doesn't get knocked off the ball. Great composure as well and his decision making is well above his years, that along with his obvious technical ability and prowess in front of goal. Scary good for somebody who's only just turned 19. His record is a goal or assist every 70-odd minutes in both Ligue 1 and the CL at the moment since his debut.
Yeah, bloody Bale
Genuine question. He is a proper world class talent, sure. But is he, as of now, a proper world class player?
I'd have to say yes right now, for the simple fact that whether it's Ligue 1 or the Champion's League, more often than not he comes off looking like one of, if not the best player of the game. He has to show up against Real Madrid and for France in the world cup to confirm that though. His young age is what's brought a lot of the hype because of what he was already achieving, but it also breeds a reluctance to accept him as anything more than a world-class talent right now.
His decision making makes me think he won't improve an awful lot.
For most players it's their decision making improving that makes them progress as a player. Mbappe is already excellent in his decision making so it's only really his technical attributes that will improve him as a player.
World class already in my opinion I should add.
For most players it's their decision making improving that makes them progress as a player. Mbappe is already excellent in his decision making so it's only really his technical attributes that will improve him as a player.
World class already in my opinion I should add.
Yes, he's the the best French goalscorer in 2017 ahead of the likes of Benzema, Griezmann and Lacazette with a truckload of assists on top.
He's already one of the scariest footballers to face 1 on 1 and among the very top players for creating chances for himself and his partners.
This graph of expected goals and expected assists shows he is already in a class of his own:
This season his finishing has been a little worse than the previous one but if he keeps producing like in his latest games and contributes to his teams successes he's a potential top 3 player in the world and may be a Ballon d'Or candidate sooner than expected.
Without a doubt, yes. The kid is so good already, his decision making is really impressive for his age.
Yes, he's the the best French goalscorer in 2017 ahead of the likes of Benzema, Griezmann and Lacazette with a truckload of assists on top.
He's already one of the scariest footballers to face 1 on 1 and among the very top players for creating chances for himself and his partners.
This graph of expected goals and expected assists shows he is already in a class of his own:
This season his finishing has been a little worse than the previous one but if he keeps producing like in his latest games and contributes to his teams successes he's a potential top 3 player in the world and may be a Ballon d'Or candidate sooner than expected.
I'm struggling to comprehend how he is ahead of Neymar on this chart. Neymar has more goals and as many assists as him IIRC. I'm not sure how expected goals/assist really work, but you would think Neymar or Lionel Messi would be higher than Mbappe.
It's per 90minutes, an average
Expected goals and assists add the % of scoring when a shot is taken according to a statistical model.
As I mentioned Mbappé missed a few easy finishes that could explain the difference with actual goals. There could be other biases like penalties not included in the dataset.
I'm sure there was a post here a minute ago.I tried to quote it but it said permission denied or something
Even so, Mbappe has just a sliver less minutes than Neymar, it's not enough to cover that kind of a difference, however...
...I guess this makes a bit more sense to me. Neymar fires off more shots than Mbappe, but the difference is not very big with Neymar averaging 4 shots/game compared to Kylian's 3.3. As far as penalties are concerned, I can definitely see that being taken out of the equation for Neymar, but I don't think he's scored more than three so far in his career with PSG IIRC.
I'm just surprised the disparity is so big when Neymar's had a bigger output even if we take the penalties out of the way. Either way, you can tell Mbappe is very much deferring to Neymar, similar to the way the latter did with Messi in his Barcelona days. I'm just surprised that, despite that, he's so much higher on this chart than Neymar (not to mention Messi/CR7).
I'm sure there was a post here a minute ago.I tried to quote it but it said permission denied or something
My fault, I deleted my post instead of editing it.
Ah it's back, it's Xg so it's basically the amount of times they are in position to score or play a pass that should lead to an assist.
Being low on the xG with a high goal stat would show a really clinical striker, alternately a high xG with low goal return would show a really wasteful striker.
As for the expected assists, it's the same but team mates being clinical or wasteful.
Ah, now I understand it better. So it's nothing to do based on their output or shots but based rather on their positional opportunities. So really Neymar comes out looking better as a scorer and Mbappe better as a passer, which makes sense given their relationship on the field. Thank you.
Put it this way: if he were 25 instead of 19, he'd be widely considered among the 10/15 best players in the world
At the risk of sounding ridiculous, when Mbappé is at his best only Platini and Zidane are arguably better among french players, he makes football look incredibly easy.
I think that is hyperbole at this stage but he is a top top talent. Madrid will regret not going balls out for him when either they buy him for much more or don't get to buy him at all.
Neymar has a better gpg ratio than Mbappe whilst having a comfortably lower xG, Neymar also has a higher xA per game.
It says that Neymar comfortably the better player, if anything.
It says that Neymar comfortably the better player, if anything.
Yes, he's the the best French goalscorer in 2017 ahead of the likes of Benzema, Griezmann and Lacazette with a truckload of assists on top.
He's already one of the scariest footballers to face 1 on 1 and among the very top players for creating chances for himself and his partners.
This graph of expected goals and expected assists shows he is already in a class of his own:
This season his finishing has been a little worse than the previous one but if he keeps producing like in his latest games and contributes to his teams successes he's a potential top 3 player in the world and may be a Ballon d'Or candidate sooner than expected.
Jesse Lingard not shown as he is way up off the top right corner.
feckin' hell. That's insane praise. I have to start watching this kid closely now.
That's hyperbolic for sure but I really don't see anyone who gave that impression of superiority, he has the rare ability to play at a different speed mentally and physically.
If you say that Mbappe's xG is 0.8 from that chart then he should have scored 10 goals this season, he has 8
Neymar should have scored 7 according to his xG, he has 11.
Neymar should have scored 7 according to his xG, he has 11.