Kylian Mbappe | PSG

The holy trinity 68 said:
Better than Higuain, Benzema and Diego Costa? I have heard it all now.
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He's clearly better than Benzema and Diego Costa right now, and arguably better than Higuain. Right now.

He's a phenomenon - it happens in football. Won't be the first or last time in the history of the sport that a kid bursts on to the scene and is instantly one of the best players in the world.
 
vadimivich said:
He's clearly better than Benzema and Diego Costa right now, and arguably better than Higuain. Right now.

He's a phenomenon - it happens in football. Won't be the first or last time in the history of the sport that a kid bursts on to the scene and is instantly one of the best players in the world.
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He really isn’t. The reason the big teams want him is because he has bags of potential to be the best in the world. They are not buying him because he is the finished article.

Higuaín scores 70 goals in 97 appearances in his last two season.

Costa hasn’t played this season because of his transfer saga with Chelsea and Athletico. But the last couple of seasons he has been up there with Aguero as the best striker in the Premier League.

Benzema is on the decline now so it’s up for debate, but he has been a big part in Madrid’s success of the last few seasons. There is a reason Madrid allowed Morata to leave and kept him.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
This is what I was trying to say, great young talent but people saying he is world class already is a bit of an exaggeration. In a few years he is going to be, there is no denying that though.
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He is already world class and has the potential to be GOAT, if you ask anyone who watch him regularly, what sets him apart from other young talent is his decision making, you look at Rashford, Asensio, Dembele, and many other young talent and you see their immaturity in their play, sometimes choosing wrong options, that comes from lack of experience, then you look at Mbappe and he already plays like he's 27 or 28, so much maturity in his play, knows when to dribble, when to pass, when to shoot, that is unbelievable if you think about it, he's still 18 and already this good
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
He really isn’t. The reason the big teams want him is because he has bags of potential to be the best in the world. They are not buying him because he is the finished article.

Higuaín scores 70 goals in 97 appearances in his last two season.

Costa hasn’t played this season because of his transfer saga with Chelsea and Athletico. But the last couple of seasons he has been up there with Aguero as the best striker in the Premier League.

Benzema is on the decline now so it’s up for debate, but he has been a big part in Madrid’s success of the last few seasons. There is a reason Madrid allowed Morata to leave and kept him.
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Teams were willing the break the world-record fee on him not just for his potential, it was because he could make an immediate impact.

I understand the reluctance to proclaim an 18 years old with little time on the professional scene as one of the best, but for myself I'm seeing a kid that not only had the best performances on the champion's league by a teenager that I've ever seen, but has kicked on for the next season after an obscene fee and months of speculations and is making an impact where even without scoring, he outshone Cavani and Neymar against Bayern.

Is it silly to call him world-class already? No, it's not, because that's the level he has been playing at so far. Does it make him world-class? Personally, I'm not there yet because I want to see him continue this way but the only thing that holds him back from the world-class category is still a relatively small sample-size, not his ability or that of his competition.

And I would take Mbappe over Costa, Higuain, or Benzema in a heart beat right now, it's not even a debatable question in my eyes that he is the superior talent and even player at this early stage. The eye test doesn't lie with this guy, he is in world-class form and I expect him to continue this way barring any injuries.
 
lawliet354 said:
He is already world class and has the potential to be GOAT, if you ask anyone who watch him regularly, what sets him apart from other young talent is his decision making, you look at Rashford, Asensio, Dembele, and many other young talent and you see their immaturity in their play, sometimes choosing wrong options, that comes from lack of experience, then you look at Mbappe and he already plays like he's 27 or 28, so much maturity in his play, knows when to dribble, when to pass, when to shoot, that is unbelievable if you think about it, he's still 18 and already this good
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World class is the best 5/6 players in their position in the world, which he is not.

Greatest of all time I don’t know about that, major over rating going on there. Was he better than Messi at 18? No way.

He isn’t going to be known as an all time great if he stays in France his whole career. What is to say that PSG never let him leave. Especially for what they are going to pay for him next summer.

Great talent, of the last 15 years he is probably up there with Rooney and Messi as teenagers talent wise though.
 
There's a reason Mbappe went for a near world record fee.

He is world class. Honestly he walks into every team in the world.

This is like the Harry Kane debate from a few years ago. "Oh he's a one season wonder"... the talent is obvious.
 
Bwuk said:
There's a reason Mbappe went for a near world record fee.

He is world class. Honestly he walks into every team in the world.

This is like the Harry Kane debate from a few years ago. "Oh he's a one season wonder"... the talent is obvious.
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Feels like it's just in United forum that this is a debate, I believe many in this forums still think that Rashford is better
 
Bwuk said:
There's a reason Mbappe went for a near world record fee.

He is world class. Honestly he walks into every team in the world.

This is like the Harry Kane debate from a few years ago. "Oh he's a one season wonder"... the talent is obvious.
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He went for close to a world record fee because the Neymar transfer over inflated the market. His price isn’t a massive amount more than Dembele. He did go for that price because of his potential to be world class in a few years time. Not because he is world class now.


This goes into the talk of how much other teenagers in the past would go in today’s market.

Rooney came to United for close to £30 million 13 years ago. Which was the world record for a teenage at the time. As good as he was, he wasn’t world class at the time we bought him.

15 attackers or about that are better than him at present. So he isn’t world class. World class is the best few in the world in their positions.

There is a reason Sir Alex said he only had 3 or 4 world class players in his time at United. The word is over used. He is a very good player like a lot of others, but not world class.

He does not walk into every team in the world. Put up 3 line ups of the best players in the world. Only including them in 1 team and not the others and Mbappé is not there. Thus he is not world class.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
He has potential to be a world class striker but he isn't yet. What I said in a previous post shown below.

He has scored 4 goals and 2 assists in 10 games. Lukaku has scored10 in 9. Neymar 6 goals 6 assists in 7games. Kane 9 goals in 8 games. Messi11 goals in 8 games. Cavani 10 goals in 9 games. Lewandowski 11 goals in 10games. Aubemayang 9 goals in 8 games. Aguero 7 goals and 3 assists in 7 games. Even Martials stats are better this season. 5 goals and 3 assists in 7 games.

His stats this season are no where near the top strikers in the world. He is still a way off being a top striker.
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Just add Ronaldo with 5 goals in 6 games
 
Not sure about believing that Rashford is better, but then I wouldn't be daft enough to go around claiming Rashford is "world class" and already better than a bunch of players who have proven themselves at the highest level multiple times over.

This forum is ridiculous sometimes. THe irony is that the sort of person who believes Mbappe is already world class IS the same sort of person who believes in things like Januzaj being the next Ronaldo.

Use a bit of common sense.
 
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Mbappe is not world class yet comparing with the bigger names but if he keeps playing and improving (he's young and looks like he has his head between the shoulders and if fame won't go to his head I see him in 2 years to be better than Neymar).
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
He went for close to a world record fee because the Neymar transfer over inflated the market. His price isn’t a massive amount more than Dembele. He did go for that price because of his potential to be world class in a few years time. Not because he is world class now.


This goes into the talk of how much other teenagers in the past would go in today’s market.

Rooney came to United for close to £30 million 13 years ago. Which was the world record for a teenage at the time. As good as he was, he wasn’t world class at the time we bought him.

15 attackers or about that are better than him at present. So he isn’t world class. World class is the best few in the world in their positions.

There is a reason Sir Alex said he only had 3 or 4 world class players in his time at United. The word is over used. He is a very good player like a lot of others, but not world class.

He does not walk into every team in the world. Put up 3 line ups of the best players in the world. Only including them in 1 team and not the others and Mbappé is not there. Thus he is not world class.
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I think its probably fair not to label him as "world class" all things considered because personally i think you have to have performed consistently at a high level for 3-4 years minimum, which mbappe cant possibly do because of his age. But the talent and ability on show is absolutely world class. He's by some distance the best teenage footballer on the planet. That in itself is an element of world class. I doubt there are very few teams (particularly those with strikers in their late 20s early 30s) who wouldn't take Mbappe over what they currently have because of the whole package.

Earlier in the thread it was pointed out to you that when you base the stats off minutes played, Mbappe had an output level with Messi and better than any other player in the world. These are stats you simply cannot argue with. i'd like to know if you had a counter to that at all or can you accept that it debunked your claim?
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
No I would not, do you really believe he is better than all of them at this present time? In the future yes but now no. This is exactly what I mean about over rating the kid.

Better than Higuain, Benzema and Diego Costa? I have heard it all now.
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RM clearly wanted to buy him for 100 something million and let him sit on the bench.

PSG has some quality players like Di Maria and Draxler and it's not even a debate that he is ahead of them in the pecking order.

I'm convinced there is actually no way you follow either PSG or Monaco last year yet formed an opinion you're unwilling to change what no matter what facts are presented.
 
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The holy trinity 68 said:
He went for close to a world record fee because the Neymar transfer over inflated the market. His price isn’t a massive amount more than Dembele. He did go for that price because of his potential to be world class in a few years time. Not because he is world class now.
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Even before the Neymar transfer happened, Mbappe was linked heavily with a £160m move. The Neymar transfer didn't change his value.
 
So this was Messi at 18 years old:


You can tell Mbappe doesn't have that insane close control and relentless dribbling ability but goalscoring wise I think Mbappe is a bit better than Messi at 18.
 
He's not world class and he wouldn't get into any team in the world.

Can he be the best in the world? Yes. Is he close right now? No chance.
 
VorZakone said:
So this was Messi at 18 years old:


You can tell Mbappe doesn't have that insane close control and relentless dribbling ability but goalscoring wise I think Mbappe is a bit better than Messi at 18.
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Messi was twice the player at 18.
 
VorZakone said:
So this was Messi at 18 years old:


You can tell Mbappe doesn't have that insane close control and relentless dribbling ability but goalscoring wise I think Mbappe is a bit better than Messi at 18.
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Different players in different teams with different philosophies. Messi fit Barcelona like a glove because of his close control and so he he was dangerous when Barcelona played in tight areas. Mbappe is a fantastic counter attacking players. essentially they are the product of their environments. I would take Mbappe over 18 year old Messi in the current PSG. This also includes Messi's injury proneness and the fact Mbappe already has far more important experience and is already more professional in looking after himself. Mbappe reminds me of CR in 06/07 with better use of his team.

Funny enough the similarities between those 2 teams is scary. Neymar is the Dinho of PSG, Cavani is the Eto'O and Mbappe is the rising star aka Messi. Ironically Thiago Motta played for both sides as well...
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lawliet354 said:
Feels like it's just in United forum that this is a debate, I believe many in this forums still think that Rashford is better
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Agree I can't believe people rate Rashford as better. Mbappe is a future great for sure. 160m is going to look like a bargain in a couple of years.
 
GrandJury said:
Messi was twice the player at 18.
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No, he wasn't. He was just a good dribbler with decent vision, limited passing, and poor finishing. Mbappe has a lot more tools in his locker at 18 than Messi did, I think the Clasico hat-trick messes with people's mind.

Messi at 19+ though.....good luck to Mbappe if he wants to even come close to that.
 
I do think Mbappe is easily the best young player in the world right now, and the best young talents I've seen since Fat Ronaldo/Messi/Ronaldo. I'd even go as far as to say, out of all the current players, he has the greatest chance to win Ballon D'or in future (after Ronaldo and Messi retire)
 
GrandJury said:
He's not world class and he wouldn't get into any team in the world.

Can he be the best in the world? Yes. Is he close right now? No chance.
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I disagree. He'd get into all of the Premier League teams. He'd get in Barcelona, Munich XI. He'd also get in Madrid's XI. He's genuinely incredible.
 
noodlehair said:
Not sure about believing that Rashford is better, but then I wouldn't be daft enough to go around claiming Rashford is "world class" and already better than a bunch of players who have proven themselves at the highest level multiple times over.

This forum is ridiculous sometimes. THe irony is that the sort of person who believes Mbappe is already world class IS the same sort of person who believes in things like Januzaj being the next Ronaldo.

Use a bit of common sense.
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There is nothing to be unsure of, Rashford isn't simply better.
 
lawliet354 said:
He is already world class and has the potential to be GOAT, if you ask anyone who watch him regularly, what sets him apart from other young talent is his decision making, you look at Rashford, Asensio, Dembele, and many other young talent and you see their immaturity in their play, sometimes choosing wrong options, that comes from lack of experience, then you look at Mbappe and he already plays like he's 27 or 28, so much maturity in his play, knows when to dribble, when to pass, when to shoot, that is unbelievable if you think about it, he's still 18 and already this good
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He's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
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It's a matter of perception, I'd say he does. However I agree that it's way too soon to be making predictions regarding the GOAT :wenger:
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
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Its not all about ability, although Cristiano was very talented(heck most thought Rooney would be the better player)he didn't have the Messi or Brazilian Ronaldo alien like ability yet its hard to argue against him being top 10 GOAT. There's a maturity about Mbappe if he has a Cristiano like dedication in him (he idolizes him which suggests he probably does) along with his exceptional talent he could one day be among the Pantheon of greats
 
MiceOnMeth said:
Its not all about ability, although Cristiano was very talented(heck most thought Rooney would be the better player)he didn't have the Messi or Brazilian Ronaldo alien like ability yet its hard to argue against him being top 10 GOAT. There's a maturity about Mbappe if he has a Cristiano like dedication in him (he idolizes him which suggests he probably does) along with his exceptional talent he could one day be among the Pantheon of greats
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Yeah I don't see Ronaldo as being of that level either. Mbappe definitely has that Ronaldo vibe though albiet with less physicality but better vision.

It's a lot about ability though. Mbappe looks wonderful. But age aside I don't look at him with my jaw dropped as how he's even doing what he's doing. It's subjective though.

I wasn't arguing on the point of pantheon of greats though. That's usually a large list. I mean the greatest. It's too early for that and we'll need to see a lot of his poential for discussions on him being close to being good enough for that.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's great and the comparisons with Rashford are silly but 'potential to be the greatest of all time' is a ridiculous thing to say. He doesn't look talented enough to be as good as Messi as talented as he is. I mean, it's pretty obvious watching him play that he could be the best player in the world someday but it's as clear that he doesn't have that phenomenal alien like ability.
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I disagree. Whilst physical and technical traits are available in many, his incredible decision making and maturity sets him apart from the likes of Dembele, Martial etc.
 
KM said:
I disagree. Whilst physical and technical traits are available in many, his incredible decision making and maturity sets him apart from the likes of Dembele, Martial etc.
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It does. But would it separate him from Maradona and Messi? That's the point. His decision making is wonderful for his age. But the greatest of all time have that baffling footballing ability that makes you wonder how it's even possible. That's how I felt watching Messi and I'm sure older posters felt watching Pele and Maradona. When I see that from Mbappe then I'll say he could one day after years of incredible performance be possibly the greatest (well I won't because I haven't seen enough of the players from the past you get my drift).

Also decision making can come with time. It did for Ronaldo eventually. It may do so for Dembele or Martial. So that's relevant for the here and now but to be seen if it's a differentiating factor in the future.
 
Right now I'd say potential best player in the world in the future rather than potential GOAT.
 
M'bappé has to defend more if deployed on the right, especially against top LB like Alaba
 
I think there is some people who just instinctively think when a young player is being hyped up that they are being overhyped in someway. I think that is causing a lot of the disagreements here. But, I think people have to understand something about Mbappe just feels different. Someone like Dembele while he shows great Footballing ability he loses the ball a ton because he can be caught dribbling in blind alleys and even Messi, Cristiano and Rooney who were some of the most impressive teenagers ever had similar issues. What separates Mbappe is his decision making and the fact that he is clinical in a way teenage attacking players are usually not.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
I think there is some people who just instinctively think when a young player is being hyped up that they are being overhyped in someway. I think that is causing a lot of the disagreements here. But, I think people have to understand something about Mbappe just feels different. Someone like Dembele while he shows great Footballing ability he loses the ball a ton because he can be caught dribbling in blind alleys and even Messi, Cristiano and Rooney who were some of the most impressive teenagers ever had similar issues. What separates Mbappe is his decision making and the fact that he is clinical in a way teenage attacking players are usually not.
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Rooney's decision making and vision was incredible but Ronaldo the much 'dafter' talent ended up the better player.

Mbappe is special in this respect at a young age but there's a long way to go for all these young players. A lot can change in their respective standing let alone where they're placed among greats (if they ever reach there).

He looks nailed on to be one of the best of this next generation if not the best but there's a middle ground between 'just as good as Rashford' and 'potential to be the goat', surely.
 
Is he world class or isn't he? who cares. Way too many people in here micro-managing things. Mbappe has a string of great performances and along comes a Redcafe Squidward to remind us that he's not peak Messi :lol:

It's clear that we are witnessing a generational talent, who is both potential without limit and presently not out of place playing next to Neymar.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Messi
Ronaldo
Neymar
Cavani
Lukaku
Kane
Lewandowski
Aubemayang
Suarez
Morata
Aguero
Costa
Zlatan
Lacazette
Benzema
Higuain

That's 16 but hey ho.
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Cavani :lol:
Lukaku
Higuain
Lacazette
Aubam

Before Antero Henrique came into PSG the club had a deal with Aubam, and they brillantly withdrawed their offer
This list is shit, not to mention that you compare forwards with complete different profiles/assets
Sad vision, really
 
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