While you have point, but then the whole discussion about transfer prices is futile. And I hope you believe there is no such thing as a bargain either. Every price paid is exactly what a player is worth.
Kylian Mbappé joins PSG on one year loan with option to buy
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While you have point, but then the whole discussion about transfer prices is futile. And I hope you believe there is no such thing as a bargain either. Every price paid is exactly what a player is worth.
I believe that this kid is the real deal and he'll come through in the coming seasons. City/PSG are bankrolled by oil money so they can afford him. Madrid are really savvy when it comes to their spending and selling their players i'm sure that if they are in for him they've figured out a way for them not to be affected financially, they've broken the record fee so many times and yet still manage to make a lot of money they'll be fine.
That was pretty much my point, that players cost whatever the market will bear (ie whatever buying clubs are prepared to pay), and therefore players cost what they are worth.
Wasn't talking about M'bappe. The conversation string was about 2 other players who'd cost the same as Mbappe combined. I suggested Dembele and Lewandowski.
Interesting read and why clubs would pay ridiculous money. If we weren't shite, we should too, but we have too much to fix. next player next year.....
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...er-why-is-the-monaco-teenager-so-highly-rated
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Kylian Mbappe transfer: Why is the Monaco teenager so highly rated?
Kylian Mbappe looks set to break the world transfer record but why is he so in demand? With the help of analytics expert Rory Campbell, Adam Bate examines the teenager’s numbers and the characteristics that have got everyone in the game so excited.
The reported £160m fee for Kylian Mbappe is startling. This is a player with only 19 league starts to his name. As a result, it is natural to wonder just what the biggest clubs could have spotted in those appearances to convince them that the French teenager is so extraordinary. What sets him apart that they can be so certain this is a player of unparalleled potential?
Perhaps it makes sense to start with the raw numbers; the record and the records. Mbappe made his debut for Monaco in December 2015, featuring away to Tottenham in the Europa League the next week. He scored his first senior goals in a home win over Troyes in February of last year and started in an away win over Paris Saint-Germain the following month.
But Mbappe really captured worldwide attention last season. As part of Monaco's exciting young team, he handled the step up to Champions League football in spectacular fashion, scoring home and away against both Manchester City and Borussia Dortmund to become the first player in history to net in his first four Champions League knockout appearances.
Domestically, there was silverware, with Mbappe making a huge contribution to Monaco's unexpected title triumph. He scored 15 league goals, second only to senior striker Radamel Falcao, but that only hints at his impact. Mbappe achieved these numbers despite being a bit-part player in the early part of the campaign, only exploding after the turn of the year.
His 15 goals came in 1501 minutes, less game time than any player in France to reach double figures. When coupled with his eight assists, the true scale of Mbappe's contribution becomes apparent. The other seven men to register that many assists each spent over 18 more hours on the pitch. Mbappe was directly involved in a league goal every 65 minutes.
The sample size is small, but analysts dismiss suggestions that the figures are distorted by a mere fortunate streak of form. Rory Campbell, the director of C&N Sporting Risk and an analytics expert who has worked with Premier League clubs, believes that Mbappe's numbers indicate that he is a unique talent. Clubs are counting on him keeping it up.
"The line between what is descriptive and what is predictive is difficult, but it really is rare how good he is," Campbell tells Sky Sports. In terms of 'expected goals' - a statistic that provides an indication of how many goals that a player or team should have scored on average based on the chances they have had - Mbappe's output is already world class.
"We have Mbappe as contributing to over 0.8 goals per 90 minutes, which is higher than anyone else in Europe," says Campbell. "And when you account for game state then he comes out even higher." All the big names are in there, with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the top six too. But it is the 18-year-old who heads the list - raising a key point.
"It is not even a question of his trajectory," adds Campbell. "Mbappe is already there now."
This is significant. The acquisition of Mbappe is partly about potential. "He is progressing a lot," said Monaco coach Leonardo Jardim in March. "He works well, he progresses and he understands his role during matches. I think he's going to get to a very high level." But any buyer is also getting a player who is producing world-class displays in the here and now.
It explains why his expert admirers do not merely focus on his raw physical attributes, even though they are remarkable. Instead, they speak of his character and his intelligence. This is one youngster who has already succeeded in putting the pieces of his game together to create something special. "He has personality," says Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane.
"What makes him such a strong player, apart from his ability, is the way he always remains calm," says his national team coach Didier Deschamps. "That is very rare for someone his age. [Thierry Henry] was very mature as a youngster, but I think Kylian is also a mature player. Quality has no age."
Henry himself stopped short of making that direct comparison but makes this same point about Mbappe's maturity. "l really like watching him play," said the Sky Sports pundit in a summer interview with Canal Plus. "He thinks. When I watch him dribble, he's thinking. He thinks when he plays and that for me is the most important thing in a player."
Curiously, given that Mbappe has already figured out his own game, this raises questions about the scope for exponential improvement in the future. But as the stats show, that is hardly the point. An 18-year-old who is outperforming everyone else right now could be expected to be an elite player for more than a decade to come. His resale value will remain.
So while the fee for Mbappe is unusual, so is the player. Ronaldo had shown glimpses of his gift at Sporting at 18. Messi was half a dozen goals into his Barcelona career at exactly the same age. This is a young man who has already scored more than the pair of them put together at that stage. A gamble? Everything suggests that Kylian Mbappe is a sure thing.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...er-why-is-the-monaco-teenager-so-highly-rated
Adam Bate
Comment and Analysis @ghostgoal
Kylian Mbappe transfer: Why is the Monaco teenager so highly rated?
Kylian Mbappe looks set to break the world transfer record but why is he so in demand? With the help of analytics expert Rory Campbell, Adam Bate examines the teenager’s numbers and the characteristics that have got everyone in the game so excited.
The reported £160m fee for Kylian Mbappe is startling. This is a player with only 19 league starts to his name. As a result, it is natural to wonder just what the biggest clubs could have spotted in those appearances to convince them that the French teenager is so extraordinary. What sets him apart that they can be so certain this is a player of unparalleled potential?
Perhaps it makes sense to start with the raw numbers; the record and the records. Mbappe made his debut for Monaco in December 2015, featuring away to Tottenham in the Europa League the next week. He scored his first senior goals in a home win over Troyes in February of last year and started in an away win over Paris Saint-Germain the following month.
But Mbappe really captured worldwide attention last season. As part of Monaco's exciting young team, he handled the step up to Champions League football in spectacular fashion, scoring home and away against both Manchester City and Borussia Dortmund to become the first player in history to net in his first four Champions League knockout appearances.
Domestically, there was silverware, with Mbappe making a huge contribution to Monaco's unexpected title triumph. He scored 15 league goals, second only to senior striker Radamel Falcao, but that only hints at his impact. Mbappe achieved these numbers despite being a bit-part player in the early part of the campaign, only exploding after the turn of the year.
His 15 goals came in 1501 minutes, less game time than any player in France to reach double figures. When coupled with his eight assists, the true scale of Mbappe's contribution becomes apparent. The other seven men to register that many assists each spent over 18 more hours on the pitch. Mbappe was directly involved in a league goal every 65 minutes.
The sample size is small, but analysts dismiss suggestions that the figures are distorted by a mere fortunate streak of form. Rory Campbell, the director of C&N Sporting Risk and an analytics expert who has worked with Premier League clubs, believes that Mbappe's numbers indicate that he is a unique talent. Clubs are counting on him keeping it up.
"The line between what is descriptive and what is predictive is difficult, but it really is rare how good he is," Campbell tells Sky Sports. In terms of 'expected goals' - a statistic that provides an indication of how many goals that a player or team should have scored on average based on the chances they have had - Mbappe's output is already world class.
"We have Mbappe as contributing to over 0.8 goals per 90 minutes, which is higher than anyone else in Europe," says Campbell. "And when you account for game state then he comes out even higher." All the big names are in there, with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in the top six too. But it is the 18-year-old who heads the list - raising a key point.
"It is not even a question of his trajectory," adds Campbell. "Mbappe is already there now."
This is significant. The acquisition of Mbappe is partly about potential. "He is progressing a lot," said Monaco coach Leonardo Jardim in March. "He works well, he progresses and he understands his role during matches. I think he's going to get to a very high level." But any buyer is also getting a player who is producing world-class displays in the here and now.
It explains why his expert admirers do not merely focus on his raw physical attributes, even though they are remarkable. Instead, they speak of his character and his intelligence. This is one youngster who has already succeeded in putting the pieces of his game together to create something special. "He has personality," says Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane.
"What makes him such a strong player, apart from his ability, is the way he always remains calm," says his national team coach Didier Deschamps. "That is very rare for someone his age. [Thierry Henry] was very mature as a youngster, but I think Kylian is also a mature player. Quality has no age."
Henry himself stopped short of making that direct comparison but makes this same point about Mbappe's maturity. "l really like watching him play," said the Sky Sports pundit in a summer interview with Canal Plus. "He thinks. When I watch him dribble, he's thinking. He thinks when he plays and that for me is the most important thing in a player."
Curiously, given that Mbappe has already figured out his own game, this raises questions about the scope for exponential improvement in the future. But as the stats show, that is hardly the point. An 18-year-old who is outperforming everyone else right now could be expected to be an elite player for more than a decade to come. His resale value will remain.
So while the fee for Mbappe is unusual, so is the player. Ronaldo had shown glimpses of his gift at Sporting at 18. Messi was half a dozen goals into his Barcelona career at exactly the same age. This is a young man who has already scored more than the pair of them put together at that stage. A gamble? Everything suggests that Kylian Mbappe is a sure thing.
Apparently as Monaco is considered a tax haven by the Spanish government, Real would have to pay a 19% tax on any deal.
Would surely swing things into City's favour as Arse are surely priced out at this stage.
Would surely swing things into City's favour as Arse are surely priced out at this stage.
Reportedly Mbappé wants to leave, prefers PSG but Monaco blocks the move.
Psg going crazy, they smell blood
Neymar and Mbappe? Surely impossible even for an oil rich club?
There's a stink of 'Football Leaks' about that Paris United twitter account.
Would be the best replacement for Neymar. If I was Barca I'd be all over him.
I hope that he goes there, they could build the team around him in the future and he will learn from two great attackers.
FFP is basically dead, what the repocusion? A fine? A transfer embargo? Hardly think PSG would care, they have billions and making more each day.
I can see him replacing Neymar at Barcelona.
Imagine PSG got him, who could the Spanish big 2 target then? Dembele?
The top market is stupidly shallow
The top market is stupidly shallow
They could swap Ronaldo and Messi in a desperate attempt to stay relevant.
I think moving to Barcelona would be the better move for Mbappe.
and then to PSG for £300m in 2 seasons
If not United then I hope to see him at Barca. Playing with the best player in the world will be great for him.
In that case he needs to join Madrid.
Perez will not be a happy bunny if he goes to Barca.
Do you have an alarm that goes off when someone says "best player in the world", like Glaston has one when someone mentions "Spurs"?In that case he needs to join Madrid.
No, but it would be quite convenient.Do you have an alarm that goes off when someone says "best player in the world", like Glaston has one when someone mentions "Spurs"?
What about United? This club isn't in the race?
The fourth signing.... I wish.
I wish.Considering the Neymar transfer apparently wont be on PSG books, reckon they could try to pull this off too. Barca basically need to ask the asking fee, pay it and move on. He's the only player they could sign that wouldn't be a pretty big downgrade on Neymar.
We need players in different position and with different attributes.
I reckon Perez will match anything Barca offers.
This is so unfair though. Why should'nt it be.
He would make a lot more sense for Barca than Couthinho.
Wouldn't he already be a Madrid player if that was the case.
Word is the government of Qatar is going to give him a massive fee to be the ambassador for the 2022 world cup, then he'll use that money to buy out his contract.
He's probably trying to lowball Monaco because Mbappe doesn't want to join City, but once Barca get their Neymar funds and get involved...
Does'nt that violates 3rd party transfer rules.
No, cause Qatar wont be buying him. The release clause in La Liga is basically someone buying himself out of his contract for a set fee, thus becoming a free agent. Then this free agent will go sign for a new team. During the process at no point does Qatar have rights to him hence they are paying him to be an ambassador for the world cup.
Rules only exist if UEFA enforce them.
So technically he could take the money for being an ambassador and sign for someone else?
So technically he could take the money for being an ambassador and sign for someone else?
He could take the money and even retire from football.
He could, but he'd miss out on the half million per week.He could take the money and even retire from football.
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