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I'm not sure he'll have a very pleasant life after this, incredibly controversial members of the public rarely seem to.
 
For whatever reason he was alone and singled out, chased, and assaulted by the mob and defended his life from imminent serious injury or death by the 3 he shot.

It's not for whatever reason. Go back and watch the video and you'll see Rittenhouse following the group then running directly after the group. In other words, Rittenhouse chased the group before the group ever chased him. He wasn't just innocently walking around the car lot he was supposed to protect when people charged him out of nowhere. He appeared threatening especially when he ran after the initial group. If you watch that 2 minute video it's right around 1:27 to 1:33 that you see Rittenhouse running right after that group (which I would call a chase since he had no legit reason to run after them).
 
Totally off topic but does anyone else get John Candy in an ugly yellow jacket in their head every time they hear/read of Kenosha?
 
It's not about the specific charge to me but how much including that charge, which would have been 100% guilty, would influence perception of other elements of the other charges such as provocation. If he's clearly guilty of two misdemeanors, that could very well have influenced a jury based on priming and other known concepts that influence decision making in these situations.
Im not convinced he would have even been found guilty of Wisconsin statute 948.60 because the statute was written by an idiot and if you read the statute in its entirety Rittenhouse technically didnt even violate that law the way it is written. You can argue what the law probably meant vs what it says word for word, but seeing as its a class A misdemeanor in wisconsin i can understand why little time if any was put on this angle.

I cant say i agree about what would have influenced the jury, i can however say the really big charges as it applied to the gun were left in by the judge. I think the fact that the gun was illegal would have been more impactful in other parts of the world or even other parts of USA. But certainly not in Wisconsin as it would appear.

Especially if the prosecution could have included more lesser included it certainly could have led to a conviction for something like negligent homicide. Not 100% on Wisconsin but in other states, self defense would not have automatically led to a not guilty on something like negligent homicide.
the prosecution did my friend.


COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

these two counts also had the dangerous weapons modifier that would have added extra five years on top of the 2 counts of reckless endangering. Which further puts the illegal weapons charge as a red hearing.
 
I haven't seen that narrative anywhere, at least not on the caf. I myself referred to him as a MAGA terrorist but that doesn't mean he went out there intending to kill people. MAGAs know they can cause disturbance by their presence alone, especially among leftists.



The reason being he is a 17 year old kid with no real understanding of what he was doing or how to handle engagement.



So you get the reason why this happened. And yes, hopefully his life turns to shit but it being America there will always be someone who will buy him a meal or give him a job.
I wouldn't use the word "narrative" either, but there was a post saying he had intent.

He went there with the intent to kill. That's the bottomline.
 
Surely it’s much more likely that this is the result of a chain of unpredictable events?

America is fecked. There’s been hordes of morons open carrying big guns at flashpoints over the last few years. Thankfully this is a relatively rare event but it seems unlikely that what happened happened because he had uniquely ill intent.

Much more likely a perfect storm of shitty coincidences that caused a bad outcome. Stumbling across mentally ill, aggressive dude at the wrong moment, passerbys who did the opposite of what most people would do, running towards gunfire etc etc

He’s definitely guilty of being a trouble-making twat. He also never should have been let near that gun. What I’m struggling with is the idea he went out that night intent on shooting someone. That seems very unlikely to me.
It's very surprising that someone actually thinks that he did. First of all, he doesn't seem to have the intellectual capacity to calculate all the risks and orchestrate that "operation" seamlessly.
 
As much as I don't like the guy I don't think's he's guilty of the charges against him.
 
What are you imagining here?
It’s already been mentioned that he’ll have a target on his back now for the rest of his life, at 18 years old. Not to mention the personal psychological issues of being a killer and the trauma that comes with it. But he made his bed and he’ll have to sleep in it. No sympathy from me.
 
It’s already been mentioned that he’ll have a target on his back now for the rest of his life, at 18 years old. Not to mention the personal psychological issues of being a killer and the trauma that comes with it. But he made his bed and he’ll have to sleep in it. No sympathy from me.
I think the money and adulation will be a big help.
 
Totally off topic but does anyone else get John Candy in an ugly yellow jacket in their head every time they hear/read of Kenosha?
"The Kenosha Kickers? No? That's okay I thought you might have recognized-"
 
So you didn't follow any of the details of this then, or what?

Because they all showed intent to kill and, depending on how you define a jump kick to the head, at least 2 of them had the means to kill.


“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.

Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”

A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.
 
“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.

Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”

A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/
 
“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.

Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”

A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.

Could it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?
 
“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.

Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”

A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.

i don't think I've ever heard of anyone being killed by a log or a blunt object before.
 
It's not for whatever reason. Go back and watch the video and you'll see Rittenhouse following the group then running directly after the group. In other words, Rittenhouse chased the group before the group ever chased him. He wasn't just innocently walking around the car lot he was supposed to protect when people charged him out of nowhere. He appeared threatening especially when he ran after the initial group. If you watch that 2 minute video it's right around 1:27 to 1:33 that you see Rittenhouse running right after that group (which I would call a chase since he had no legit reason to run after them).
Yes I’ve seen your multiple posts about this “chase” and I’ve seen the video. But it hasn’t been proven afaik that he was pursuing anyone. All that can be proven is that he was running in that direction. His intent no one can know or prove, though his “threatening” or aggressive nature is subjective.
 
Could it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?

Yes but the first shooting was justified so it follows that he can use force to defend himself against those who were apprehending him if there was a risk of death or serious injury
 
Yes but the first shooting was justified so it follows that he can use force to defend himself against those who were apprehending him if there was a risk of death or serious injury

How on Earth is the fatal shooting of an unarmed man who threw the oh so lethal weapon of a plastic bag justified!?
 
The regular mix of devil's advocates, bad faith merchants and genuine nutters in here. If you're a the kind of prick who gets some sort of kick out of looking hard with a gun you take a gun, if you want to shoot someone, you take bullets.
 
Could it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?
Could it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?
If that was his mindset and reasoning i guess it could, but he’d have to survive to tell that side of the story. But still wouldn’t be justified because he was running away and was not actively pointing and shooting anymore.
 
Looking at the comments coming from people on both sides america is truly flecked. Wonder how much more carnage will follow...
 
As long as people don't try to cause him serious bodily harm I'm sure they will be fine.

Seems to find himself in violent situations quite often, ganging up on a girl. Don't think she needed medical assistance.
 
i don't think I've ever heard of anyone being killed by a log or a blunt object before.
You don’t need to have heard of anyone being killed by a skateboard or any blunt object. What matters is that it CAN cause serious injury or even loss of consciousness. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that if someone attacks you even without a firearm, you have to assume the possibility of the attacker taking your firearm and using it against you after you’re incapacitated.
 
Surely it’s much more likely that this is the result of a chain of unpredictable events?

America is fecked. There’s been hordes of morons open carrying big guns at flashpoints over the last few years. Thankfully this is a relatively rare event but it seems unlikely that what happened happened because he had uniquely ill intent.

Much more likely a perfect storm of shitty coincidences that caused a bad outcome. Stumbling across mentally ill, aggressive dude at the wrong moment, passerbys who did the opposite of what most people would do, running towards gunfire etc etc

He’s definitely guilty of being a trouble-making twat. He also never should have been let near that gun. What I’m struggling with is the idea he went out that night intent on shooting someone. That seems very unlikely to me.
I think its the result of a chain of predictable events due to America being fecked.
I think a dozen other people could have killed any number of people and or been killed and its probably a minor miracle it didn't escalate into something worse. And they've legitimised it, no laws broken that night.
 
The regular mix of devil's advocates, bad faith merchants and genuine nutters in here. If you're a the kind of prick who gets some sort of kick out of looking hard with a gun you take a gun, if you want to shoot someone, you take bullets.
You take bullets if you want to defend yourself and are willing to do so. There's no point in bringing a gun without bullets. What are you gonna do with it? Throw it at people? The videos prove Kyle was acting in self-defence. That's case closed. I do not understand why so many people want to destroy this kid's life out of some political divide.
 
You don’t need to have heard of anyone being killed by a skateboard or any blunt object. What matters is that it CAN cause serious injury or even loss of consciousness. Anyone familiar with firearms knows that if someone attacks you even without a firearm, you have to assume the possibility of the attacker taking your firearm and using it against you after you’re incapacitated.
Definitely agree here.
 
Will be the face of the far right, cnuts set for life for murdering people.
Probably run for president with the state of this America.


In 20 years will look alot more like Gilead.
 
You take bullets if you want to defend yourself and are willing to do so. There's no point in bringing a gun without bullets. What are you gonna do with it? Throw it at people? The videos prove Kyle was acting in self-defence. That's case closed. I do not understand why so many people want to destroy this kid's life out of some political divide.

Why is he taking a gun and bullets to defend himself anyway? Why is he even going there? Regardless of the outcome of the trial the most insane thing here seems to be that a 17 year old civilian can patrol the streets with a rifle and this is totally fine. America is so broken.
 
I think its the result of a chain of predictable events due to America being fecked.
I think a dozen other people could have killed any number of people and or been killed and its probably a minor miracle it didn't escalate into something worse. And they've legitimised it, no laws broken that night.

Yeah, definitely predictable at a macro level. Agreed.
 
One of the victims deserved a far worse death than he unfortunately got.