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Marauding right wing gangs, spurred on by corporate fascists and their media outlets, shooting people in the street and not being convicted, reminds me of the Weimar Republic.

Media outlets indeed -- they're the ones guilty of making a mess out of this case making us believe he was some mass shooter.
 
Media outlets indeed -- they're the ones guilty of making a mess out of this case making us believe he was some mass shooter.
A guy who goes into a crowd with an assault rifle and shoots people is not a mass shooter? What the feck is wrong with you?
 
Marauding right wing gangs, spurred on by corporate fascists and their media outlets, shooting people in the street and not being convicted, reminds me of the Weimar Republic.

Is this post satirical or just plain ignorant?
 
Im not convinced he would have even been found guilty of Wisconsin statute 948.60 because the statute was written by an idiot and if you read the statute in its entirety Rittenhouse technically didnt even violate that law the way it is written. You can argue what the law probably meant vs what it says word for word, but seeing as its a class A misdemeanor in wisconsin i can understand why little time if any was put on this angle.

I cant say i agree about what would have influenced the jury, i can however say the really big charges as it applied to the gun were left in by the judge. I think the fact that the gun was illegal would have been more impactful in other parts of the world or even other parts of USA. But certainly not in Wisconsin as it would appear.


the prosecution did my friend.


COUNT 2: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

COUNT 3: FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

these two counts also had the dangerous weapons modifier that would have added extra five years on top of the 2 counts of reckless endangering. Which further puts the illegal weapons charge as a red hearing.

I know there were 2 lesser-included but Wisconsin seems to work differently than what I've seen. I've seen cases more like 3 charges, say 3rd-degree murder, manslaughter, and negligent homicide and the jury would deliberate on each charge from greatest to least based on the set of criteria. From what I heard of the jury instructions Wisconsin or maybe just this judge instructed a bit differently than what I've personally seen before.

Whether or not the weapon and curfew charges would have influenced anything is pure speculation but it certainly could have.

Yes I’ve seen your multiple posts about this “chase” and I’ve seen the video. But it hasn’t been proven afaik that he was pursuing anyone. All that can be proven is that he was running in that direction. His intent no one can know or prove, though his “threatening” or aggressive nature is subjective.

That's fine if you want to only speak about what can be objectively proven (Rittenhouse running right after the group).

But then you also have to apply that standard the other way and you can't assume that Rosenbaum would have taken the AR-15 and especially can't assume he would use it against Rittenhouse. None of that is proven either. It's also not proven Rosembaum would have taken the AR-15 since he could have just been reaching out reflexively after being shot and incapacitated. The only thing you can really say is that Rosenbaum charged Rittenhouse after Rittenhouse ran after the group.
 
Why don't lots of black people wander around 'white' areas brandishing uzis..surely they'd be cheered on by the locals?
 
Was not active here for the trial but based on what I have read, seen and heard, based on where this incident happened and what led to it - as complicated as this case is, this was the only outcome. Yep, details are messed up, things don't make sense, but America is a different World.
 
What about the whole picture did I get wrong?

I find it crazy that a German gentleman would attempt to make the comparison. Especially citing “corporate fascists and their media outlets” as comparative.

I strongly suggest you look up some of the Weimar printed media from around 1926 on. If anything close was published in the US the fbi would be kicking the door down.

If that’s not evidence enough, look up evidence from state parliaments of that era and you will find ample example.

I’m simply incredulous at the fact you feel it’s comparable in any way shape or form. Overt racism is on the very fringes of society. You won’t find a single credible media outlet running cartoons with blacks as monkeys or child killers. If a member of the House of Representatives says nutty crap (hi Marjorie) they’ll be called out and ridiculed for it. And I must have missed the 200,000 strong ideologically driven paramilitary army dominating the streets too.

I’ll ask it another way: what actual (real not perceived) similarities are there that you see?
 
I find it crazy that a German gentleman would attempt to make the comparison. Especially citing “corporate fascists and their media outlets” as comparative.

I strongly suggest you look up some of the Weimar printed media from around 1926 on. If anything close was published in the US the fbi would be kicking the door down.

If that’s not evidence enough, look up evidence from state parliaments of that era and you will find ample example.

I’m simply incredulous at the fact you feel it’s comparable in any way shape or form. Overt racism is on the very fringes of society. You won’t find a single credible media outlet running cartoons with blacks as monkeys or child killers. If a member of the House of Representatives says nutty crap (hi Marjorie) they’ll be called out and ridiculed for it. And I must have missed the 200,000 strong ideologically driven paramilitary army dominating the streets too.

I’ll ask it another way: what actual (real not perceived) similarities are there that you see?
Agree with everything here but the ‘fringes’ comment. Overt racism is a bit more engrained & widespread.
 
I find it crazy that a German gentleman would attempt to make the comparison. Especially citing “corporate fascists and their media outlets” as comparative.

I strongly suggest you look up some of the Weimar printed media from around 1926 on. If anything close was published in the US the fbi would be kicking the door down.

If that’s not evidence enough, look up evidence from state parliaments of that era and you will find ample example.

I’m simply incredulous at the fact you feel it’s comparable in any way shape or form. Overt racism is on the very fringes of society. You won’t find a single credible media outlet running cartoons with blacks as monkeys or child killers. If a member of the House of Representatives says nutty crap (hi Marjorie) they’ll be called out and ridiculed for it. And I must have missed the 200,000 strong ideologically driven paramilitary army dominating the streets too.

I’ll ask it another way: what actual (real not perceived) similarities are there that you see?
I didn't say it's the same. I said it's vibes of..
But hey, don't you think the US have a problem with a rising and increasingly unhinged fascist right? Storming the parliament and a president trying to overturn an election is not ominous enough? It's pretty weird that anyone would try to downplay the severity of this.
 
Agree with everything here but the ‘fringes’ comment. Overt racism is a bit more engrained & widespread.

Possibly worded it wrong, but I was referring to stuff like the KKK or whatever other dumbass white supremacist groups/organisations exist there. The FBI are probably on most of their trails too, whereas in late Weimar (certainly in the 30s) these groups were hugely prevalent. Just as a very simplistic example, by 1932, almost 0.8% of the population were members of the SA.

Probably should have said “extreme overt racism“ or something.

I didn't say it's the same. I said it's vibes of..
But hey, don't you think the US have a problem with a rising and increasingly unhinged fascist right? Storming the parliament and a president trying to overturn an election is not ominous enough? It's pretty weird that anyone would try to downplay the severity of this.

Not trying to downplay anything. You don’t need to make spurious comparisons to note theres some serious crap going on there.
 
Cnut is going to be unbearable when he becomes a minor celebrity after this
 
Media outlets indeed -- they're the ones guilty of making a mess out of this case making us believe he was some mass shooter.
His gun craft was very good, shot those who attacked him when he was on the floor. Should never have been roaming the streets armed, but that’s a different issue entirely.
 
Do you just log on the caf every day with the intention of shitting on someone? A brief glance at your post history suggests you use this platform forum like twitter. You log on, find your target and spend a while having a go at them until they stop responding.

Long may she continue, one of the best posters around.
 
i don't think I've ever heard of anyone being killed by a log or a blunt object before.

Would the individuals whom Rittenhouse had gunned down because Rittenhouse feared plastic bags and skateboards have been justified if they had killed Rittenhouse because he was carrying a vastly more lethal object, an assault weapon?
 
i don't think I've ever heard of anyone being killed by a log or a blunt object before.
Found this post curious, courtesy to @lex talionis. Ever heard of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker? It was his preferred method of killing. You can do heck of a lot of damage with a blunt object, my man.
 
Would the individuals whom Rittenhouse had gunned down because Rittenhouse feared plastic bags and skateboards have been justified if they had killed Rittenhouse because he was carrying a vastly more lethal object, an assault weapon?

no
 
His gun craft was very good, shot those who attacked him when he was on the floor. Should never have been roaming the streets armed, but that’s a different issue entirely.

So do you have to shoot four people or kill four people to be deemed a mass shooter on the arbitrarily chosen scale?
 
Would the individuals whom Rittenhouse had gunned down because Rittenhouse feared plastic bags and skateboards have been justified if they had killed Rittenhouse because he was carrying a vastly more lethal object, an assault weapon?

Grosskreutz would've had a very strong self defense case if he shot first. Lesson learned, I guess.
 
Would the individuals whom Rittenhouse had gunned down because Rittenhouse feared plastic bags and skateboards have been justified if they had killed Rittenhouse because he was carrying a vastly more lethal object, an assault weapon?

They would have been justified if they decided to take the law into their own hands and think they were killing a murderer. Rosenbaum reached for his gun and got shot. Skateboard guy tried the same and got shot. The guy with the glock pointed at Kyle's head got shot in the arm. They all attacked him and got shot in return.
 
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I haven't really been following this as I expected him to get off

but feck me, it's still kinda shocking that.. they couldn't find him guilty of anything? crazy crazy country
 
I didn't say it's the same. I said it's vibes of..

At least you admit that you just got exposed.


his political and historical compass got a gigantic magnet on the left

Yeah it's very obvious.

Frightening is though, that there are so many like these kind of guys in our country right now and most media are backing them.
 
So do you have to shoot four people or kill four people to be deemed a mass shooter on the arbitrarily chosen scale?
I don’t have to shoot anyone. My life isn’t under threat and I have no need for a gun where I live. Plus I’m not A judge nor jury who has to make judgements on those accused. So odd question to ask me…