It's four separate presses on the trigger though. That's not muscle or arc memory, that's a conscious decision
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I mean, there’s studies done on this very thing. You’re painting this picture that in .71 seconds someone made a conscious decision to fire off four separate shots, as if in between each one he assessed what was happening, and made another conscious decision to fire each time.
It would likely be conscious if one had a lot of time and didn't fear for their life. Its more likely instinctual when the adrenaline is pumping and you think a mob is about to kill you.
Have you guys, playing football, receive the ball in the box and everything slows down. Everything is in focus.
That's cortisol. Time is not linear, it soeeds up and slows down dependant on the situation we are in. I don't believe that 4 separate shots in that environment, is a reactive action. At least the fourth shouldn't have happened
Theyre not even close to the same situation. If you’re gonna keep defaulting back to football, then It’s a bit pointless.
to answer your question though, yes, I’ve been in a situation in football when the ball came to me in the box, and in situations where I’ve had to draw my firearm. I can tell you from experience that they don’t compare.
Ok, sorry, i was just trying to use an example that we could all relate to.
Maybe I'm wired to make quick decisions in high pressured situations and I'm expecting Rittenhouse to be at my standard, which is wrong, but I seriously don't understand how someone can fire 4 separate shots. I don't understand how his brain didn't kick in to say "stop, you're killing someone"
Had he been drinking?
No need to apologize , conversation is always welcome. I think the problem you’re having in looking at the shots is how you’re looking at it.
if he’s in that situation and is actually perceiving a life or death scenario playing out, he’s going to most likely have a “him or me” mindset on it and the fact he’s killing someone likely won’t factor in. Whether he created that situation himself or not isn’t my point.
if someone is threatening your life and you believe you need to stop that threat, you wouldn’t take a shot, stop and assess, take another shot, stop and assess etc. in .71 seconds there’s no way he’d perceive each individual shot as a separate occurrence. Even if he was able to perceive after the first or second shot, being relatively untrained, and in a highly charged stressful situation, those other two shots were likely just already in motion before he could shut it off.
https://www.lexipol.com/resources/blog/understanding-police-officer-reaction-time-to-stop-shooting/
I've never shot a gun, but I'd imagine every shot vibrates through you hands, to your arms, to your chest. 3 I could understand, just, 4, for me that's past the line
Different weapons have different recoil, plus whether you’re firing one-handed or with a support hand. AR’s are surprisingly smooth, especially if you were going to complete it to something like a .357. Especially if you take into account if someone is using the butt stock in a place of support compared to holding a handgun at arms length.
So, what was he doing, how much recoil would he have felt?
I think a civilian walking the streets with a rifle is pretty agressive. Even in America. More so during a period of extreme civil unrest.
What if Rittenhouse had stayed home, or even at the business he went to protect?
We can ask a lot of what if questions but the core elements of what happened are that Kyle Rittenhouse went to Kenosha uninvited, armed himself (the sequence of that is unclear), engaged in some protective activities for a business then left a secure area and pursued a group of people he would have known were not like him and who it is reasonable to assume would be provoked by his appearance. As a result of these actions he then ended up in an altercation and shot four people, killing two. Kyle Rittenhouse and his actions were the root cause of this event and he should be punished under the law.
When will we know the verdict?
I don't get it. This guy along with some other fellas who had been playing too much cod all of a sudden equipped themselves with M16 assault rifles and went out to rioting streets thinking they were some kind of special ops team and then shot down and killed people and a year later he still has a trial? How has he not been charged for murder?
Have a read through the thread bruv
Prosecution are self immolating at the moment. Holy shit Krause is horrible
I think it means he is a bit to the right of Atilla The Hun so everyone else is by default a woke lefty.
Kyle Rittenhouse in a nutshell.
I really wish @Cascarino s meme was working. It was very apt
Small brain, big gun?
Depends really what answer you’re looking for. There’s the actual statistical answer of the recoil from a weapon firing, but in terms of what someone would actually feel with adrenaline, experience, etc etc.
That's kind of what I'm asking. I have no experience with guns (even turned down clay pigeon shooting), so I'm trying to understand how he could pull the trigger 4 times
Small brain, big tears, maybe?
You're on the wrong track with the 4 shots theory being damning, what that points to is him being in panic mode, rattling off 4 shots from a semi auto rifle is no big thing if you're in a panic.
Of course finding yourself in a panic situation, with a semi auto rifle strapped to your chest is a good indication that you've probably misjudged the best way to provide EMT support in that particular situation.
But then, if you're there to provide EMT support, why is the only bit if kit you brought a semi auto rifle?
My head hurts, it's almost like the answer is obvious, but I'll leave this up to the stellar US justice system, after all, it's the greatest on earth.
That's easy enough. A semi-automatic rifle fires and reloads very quickly. The difficult part is managing felt recoil and getting your sights back on target but that all depends on your shooting position. The holographic sight he had mounted on his weapon makes getting back on target even easier.
I'm not saying it damning, it's just as someone who's never used guns, I don't understand how you can pull the trigger 4 times, including when your target's back is turned.
The EMT stuff is bullshit. He was carrying some gauze as an excuse to be there. He could do no good with what he was carrying.
The answer isn't obvious, unfortunately, but that's cos the US laws are fecked
He did that 4 times
You could click a trigger 4 times in a second without any issue, its a null point.
And I say that as someone who's vastly experienced with firearms and who thinks he's a little special forces cosplay wannabe who should spend a considerable amount of time behind bars.
Have you ever read how little time a hitter has to decide to swing or not in baseball?
The kid wanted to be a cop. Was he slower than the slowest cop? If so, he shouldn't be anywhere near a gun.
I'm not saying that you can't, but a second is a long time, enough time to make 4 separate decisions
Very little if any. Especially since his adrenaline would have been through the roof.
Nah its not, the first thing these these SEAL Team cosplayers learn is that you fire a double tap (two shots in quick succession) doing 2 that twice can easily happen withiin a fraction of a second, particularly if untrained and panicked.
Again, it's probably best not to have untrained 17 year olds entering volitle situations carrying AR15s to provide EMT support.
He still would have had to curl his finger repeatedly, his brain had to do that
He said he made 3 or 4 saves in .71 seconds.
That I agree with
Have you played hockey, or ice hockey? It's a fast game