Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years

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What he did was wrong but not nearly as bad as some make out. He's not injuring it or anything like that. Not nice to watch but not exactly criminal either.
 
What he did was wrong but not nearly as bad as some make out. He's not injuring it or anything like that. Not nice to watch but not exactly criminal either.

In the UK there is a law against booting your cat across the room like a football. It is, by definition, a criminal act.
 
What he did was wrong but not nearly as bad as some make out. He's not injuring it or anything like that. Not nice to watch but not exactly criminal either.

That's just factually wrong
 
In the UK there is a law against booting your cat across the room like a football. It is, by definition, a criminal act.
I'd never treat an animal like that and hope that Zouma learns never to do that either.

But there is loads of far more serious animal cruelty happening every day that deserves more attention than this.
 
Shitty way for him to treat the cat no doubt , but honestly not as bad as I was expecting given that a lot of people here seem to be traumatised and “physically sick” from that video.
 
But there is loads of far more serious animal cruelty happening every day that deserves more attention than this.

Classic whataboutism combined with goal post moving, neat.
 
I don't know what point you're trying to make outside of calling them cnuts, or how it overlaps with the post you're responding to.

I’m disagreeing with your idea that being a psychopath doesn’t make you a cnut. By any reasonable definition that’s exactly what it makes you. I’m well aware that it’s not necessarily an impediment to a successful career but it’s definitely an impediment to not being a cnut.
 
I'd never treat an animal like that and hope that Zouma learns never to do that either.

But there is loads of far more serious animal cruelty happening every day that deserves more attention than this.

Come on mate, that's like saying don't look at this bloke punching that toddler in the mouth because there far more serious child abuse happening every day that deserves more attention than this.
 
Classic whataboutism combined with goal post moving, neat.
It's really not. He's kicked a cat across the room and that will make headlines for days. I'd hope that such a thing might shine a light on how vast the problem of animal abuse actually is, but most likely focus and energy will go towards footballers and booing and the drama of it all.
 
Disgusting. That poor cat.

What’s wrong with footballers these days?

Greenwood, Avram Grant, Zouma. All despicable behaviour.
 
Come on mate, that's like saying don't look at this bloke punching that toddler in the mouth because there far more serious child abuse happening every day that deserves more attention than this.
What Zouma did is much less serious than punching a toddler in the mouth.
 
It's really not. He's kicked a cat across the room and that will make headlines for days. I'd hope that such a thing might shine a light on how vast the problem of animal abuse actually is, but most likely focus and energy will go towards footballers and booing and the drama of it all.

You first said it isn't a criminal act, which is plain wrong.
You then went to the good old "worse things happen every day" excuse after your take was exposed.

Guess the backpedaling phase comes next.
 
I don't understand why people expect footballers to be any less fecked up than the 'average' person. They excel at kicking a ball around and they're no more likely to be nice than the rest of our fecked up society.

They're not a separate species, they're just people.
 
What Zouma did is much less serious than punching a toddler in the mouth.
What Zouma did is much less serious than amassing all your troops on the Ukrainian border and threatening to trigger World War III.
 
But it is something to watch out for because it could be an indication of other behaviour
Sure.

I feel absolutely sure that there are loads and loads of people treating their pets like this and they don't feel they are abusing them. And having a conversation about that would be to the good.
 
What Zouma did is much less serious than punching a toddler in the mouth.

I'm confused. You seem hell-bent on minimising this because worse animal cruelty exists, which I always think is an odd position to take.

Kicking cats is fine but punching toddlers in the mouth isn't. Where's the line?
 
I don't like cats but that's no reason to harm them, the most disturbing thing though is he doesn't seem to be doing it in a rage after something has happened, it's a game he's having filmed by soneone he clearly can't trust either.
 
What Zouma did is much less serious than punching a toddler in the mouth.

That doesn't matter. It's your whataboutery I can't accept. There is always something worse happening elsewhere. All you're doing when you point that out is minimising the seriousness of the situation. If I saw my neighbour use his pet for target practice, I wouldn't think 'oh well that's not that bad, somewhere else some sicko is popping his cat in the oven'.
 
What he did was wrong but not nearly as bad as some make out. He's not injuring it or anything like that. Not nice to watch but not exactly criminal either.
There’s always one, why, oh why, internet?
 
You first said it isn't a criminal act, which is plain wrong.
You then went to the good old "worse things happen every day" excuse after your take was exposed.

Guess the backpedaling phase comes next.

I never condoned any of it. I'd be surprised if it meets the bar for criminal action however. Looking at the responses before seeing the video I was expecting something much worse.

It's about proportionality really. If whoever is investigating animal cruelty are currently sitting on their hands then fine let them investigate. More likely they'd end up dropping something serious to investigate this. Might end up having to at any rate given the public response.
 
I'm confused. You seem hell-bent on minimising this because worse animal cruelty exists, which I always think is an odd position to take.

Kicking cats is fine but punching toddlers in the mouth isn't. Where's the line?
It's not a line, it's a sliding scale. Some actions are worse than others.