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Kurt Zouma / 180 hours community service + banned from keeping cats for 5 years
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Yes but she was only sent death threats and had people calling for the death penalty because she was black, just like Kurt Zouma. Because as I’ve learned from this thread, we care more about cats than black people. And that’s why racism is relevant and Zouma did nothing wrong! But wait, that woman was white… so I guess that means that we have to put women below cats too, regardless of race.
West Ham should suspended him for the rest of the season get him to do some unpaid work at a Cat Sanctuary.
Best player or not if I was WH fan, I would not be happy him playing.
Best player or not if I was WH fan, I would not be happy him playing.
I don't think anybody thinks race is involved in this incident (if we want to call it that), we can pretty much all agree a white person getting caught on video doing the same would be just as under pressure. I think people acting as if Antonio has zero point in what he said of the response this got compared to racism in football is where people can make the point that there's some (blissful) ignorance on a valid point he is making.
There's only so much you can say about animal abuse, so people asking to stick to the subject....what subject? You're not going to get very far in a debate on animal abuse, are you? It's wrong and don't do it, Antonio addressed that. Racism is a much more complicated subject obviously, and while people can understandably dislike addressing it, or feel like it's overly used, that notion comes from a position where you're not really affected by it beyond inconvenience that it gets into your escape of sports. However, for someone like Antonio, or any black athletes with family and relatives that deal with it on a consistent basis, you will use any opportunity you can to bring it up, and seeing the level of vitriol aimed at Zouma over animal abuse and some of the lax response racism has gotten is obviously, clearly, most definitely going to get this kind of counter-point from a black athlete if you ask them about it, fair or not (and I think it's fair). He didn't get on his soapbox to make this point, they asked him a question and he answered them with something that I thought was far more interesting than just saying how bad animal abuse is and that he condemns Zouma's actions (which he did as well).
Can't it just be a case of him hitting a cat, which we all think is terrible and West Ham or whoever just try to find the appropriate punishment?
It’s the Caf.
Not just the Caf, the race angle is all over Facebook, saying all the call for punishment are because he is black.
Never been on that cesspool thankfully.
This was a fairly rational reply except that bs you wrote in bold. What people do on this forum, actually not this forum, on most forums is that they make daft assumptions based on absolutely nothing. How do you and others know what the person behind screen has been affected by? I could go on a tirade about the racism I was subjected through when growing up like for example when my brother and I as kids were chased by neo nazis carrying knives.
But as soon as you just ask people to please not bring these topics into every thread you hear the most deluded things like for example not being able to comprehend that racism is an issue just because you don't want to see it brought up everywhere. It's a sensitive subject. And it is completely delusional to make assumptions when you've no idea whom you are talking to or what they have gone through.
Your post is.
That’s simply not true.
The RSPCA can bring about a prosecution without the police. It would be common practice for them to be the lead agency with something like this and lack of involvement of the police is irrelevant.
We can say for certain if this was for example a Starbucks employe he would be fired on the spot. But once again just because it's a celebrity they get away with nothing. 2 weeks fine is piss in the river for someone that rich anyway. Multiple football players getting away with millions of dollars in tax fraud without serving a day in prison.
It's a big problem.
It's a big problem.
This is actually a crazy thought. Normal people get fired for similar. I mean normal people routinely get fired for racism. It’s crazy that players only get a certain amount of matches ban. It should be grounds for dismissal and baked into any players contract - if you are found guilty for racist abuse you get your contract terminated. But I guess these players are multi-million pound assets so it serves the club better to wait it out and have them continue playing. I guess this is the weird thing with footballers and their contracts, they aren’t just employees they are assets to the brand. Most employees can be fired and replaced within a month, a footballer is fired and the team have to BUY another one whilst also losing out on any fee they could recoup.
Perhaps the best option is to suspend and then sell at the next window.
You think so, I don't think your employer would none to happy for one of their employees to be plastered all over the news for being a lowlife animal abuser.
Seen people sacked for les, the abuse shown towards the cat is signs of a bigger problem.
The only joke here is your post.
It's not an assumption, those people absolutely exist in every community, my comment simply wasn't aimed at you. To say it's based on absolutely nothing when you can read how anytime those discussions go is...comical.
That has literally nothing to do with it, he's an asset that cost them millions of pounds, and is worth millions of pounds. If Starbucks paid 25m for Tina the barista, they would not be sacking her for doing something like this.
Once a vegan told me if I'm not vegan I shouldn't complain about human rights issues... So yes, probably.
Not just about him. It's a broader issue. They are being treated differently because they are rich celebrities or sportsmen. It is a problem, simple as. They even get charged for serial rape and get away without serving a days imprisonment.
Would you say the same thing if he kicked his child across the kitchen like he did to the cat?
Animals are living creatures and should not be treated as a lower level than humans just because they have an inferior brain capacity. I wouldn't treat you or anyone on this site as a lower level person just because you have an inferior brain capacity to Richard Dawkins.
A persons pet should be given just as much love as a persons child.
That's like saying we have no right to complain about any issue in the UK if we aren't actively trying to prevent famine on the other side of the world.
I find it ridiculous when people say 'you have no right to say this or that' just because there are worse issues going on.
Spot on, man.
Look at timeline of this thread. Topic is animal abuse, first big as this one on this forum for ages. First day, people who care for animals and animal abuse were on this thread wanting to talk about that social problem. Then, look at last 20 pages. Who is left on this thread and what topic is? Racism and people who want to talk about racism. Last 20 pages animal abuse topic just died.
Society today has dozen and dozen major problems (sexism, racism, powerty, hunger, child abuse, domestic abuse etc...) and you can't cover them all in every topic. That doesn't mean that you don't "care" for all of them. For everything there is place and time
Well there is a difference but I guess we aren't supposed to say that anymore?
Pretty fecked up though right? Giggs is such a snake.... One of my favourite players.
Jesus. It's not even worth the time to unpack all your crap. I will highlight this part about 'Whitesplaining' though. You've literally just assumed that because you disagree with me that I must be white and 'whitesplaining'. At no point have I stated my colour, you've just viewed me negatively and therefore assumed me to be white. How ironic that you've only succeeded in outing yourself as a racist.
The state of this post..
So you’d rather be racially abused than discuss racism on the internet.
sound like a typically privileged individual
It shouldn’t be a difference but I suppose you don’t have a pet. Those of us who have pets and actually treat them well, see them as a part of our family, with equal rights, love and respect as any other member. I don’t see why some people are so eager to point out that there should be a difference. What do you gain? Those who treat pets well are so much less likely to hurt humans too. Had I been a woman I would be very scared to get in a relationship with an animal abuser. It’s likely a matter of time before he abuses me too.
I really don’t get this self importance we as humans have. We are literally the worst animal to ever exist on this planet. A pet won’t care if you are black, white, yellow, ugly, poor, in a wheelchair, stupid, smart, rich, gay, whatever. Treat him well and he will love you back unconditionally, something humans very rarely do.
By the way, go on reddit and search “cat” on SuicideWatch, you’ll be amazed how many humans are kept alive by cats, or pets in general. I bet for them the zouma case isn’t an overreaction.
Moyes is doubling down by saying that he will continue picking him.
I think you need to re-read there. Adex is referencing another poster who earlier on in the thread made that comment.
Not sure that means much coming from someone attempting to deflect from animal abuse, but there we go. Tells us a lot about you.
Someone that feels the need to remind posters ‘This is Britain’ calling me racist, the irony.
I’ll explain whitesplaining though as you quite obviously don’t understand. You gave multiple examples of white people being criticised on this forum when nobody said white people aren’t criticised. At no point have I assumed you are anything. I could care less about your complexion, throwing around terms such as racist/racism shouldn’t be done lightly.
But yes turn tail, claim to infact be the victim & say you ‘aren’t going to unpack’ a retort to your strawman arguments. As I said, you’ve obviously got some work to do on this issue so please don’t let me distract you from self improvement.
This isn't a race issue! 
You obviously haven’t read my posts on the issue…
Zouma’s behaviour is repulsive, cruel and I think shows him as a lowly, cretinous person - as I’ve stated repeatedly.
I also acknowledge that we live in an institutionally racist society and have a media that is systematically racist and stokes racism and division.
I’m sorry you’re ‘tired’ of hearing about racism and / or are not capable of understanding issues in a multifaceted manner, but that’s for you to think on really.
The fact he kicked the cat is very bad, but you can't deny that white people have shown more sympathy with an animal, more than they do for a human who is abused and whos ancestors were enslaved just because white people didn't fancy their skin colour. People are still suffering due to that. Just because you're tired of hearing it dont mean nothing.
Have to add a note: There is nothing racist about my post apart from mentioning colour.
Have to add a note: There is nothing racist about my post apart from mentioning colour.
I'm pleased about that then. I also think racism is a very important issue - of course - but this situation is not related to that. This is purely about Zouma abusing an animal and I don't think other things should be dragged into it, especially something as volatile as racism.
Imagine if Zouma had kicked his cat while on the Joe Rogan show.
What are people on about racism for?
Classic redcafe thread.
Classic redcafe thread.
To the vegans here take a step back, well done.
To the meat eaters here (including myself) you're the biggest bloody hypocrites on the planet. Kurt Zouma lobs his cat across the room and there is global outrage, while we all pay somebody else to mutilate, torture and cut the throat of an animal so we can have 10 minutes of pleasure eating its flesh. Because eating dogs in China is OMG soooo wrong, yet gassing and cutting the throat's of pigs is totally fine because we like our bacon sandwich in the morning.
It's fine to cut the beak off a chicken, cut the tail off a pig, mutilate these animals as long as they fit within the criteria of animals we are allowed to torture, but punt a cat and it's OMG scum of the earth. If we mistreat a horse there is outrage, if we mistreat a cow nobody gives a shit, we torture a pig nobody gives a shit, but we do the slightest harm to a cat or a dog and outrage once again.
Kurt Zouma is a bit of a scumbag, but so am I because for 30 plus years I've payed people to commit the most horrific acts of torture on living beings so I can have a maccies.
To the meat eaters here (including myself) you're the biggest bloody hypocrites on the planet. Kurt Zouma lobs his cat across the room and there is global outrage, while we all pay somebody else to mutilate, torture and cut the throat of an animal so we can have 10 minutes of pleasure eating its flesh. Because eating dogs in China is OMG soooo wrong, yet gassing and cutting the throat's of pigs is totally fine because we like our bacon sandwich in the morning.
It's fine to cut the beak off a chicken, cut the tail off a pig, mutilate these animals as long as they fit within the criteria of animals we are allowed to torture, but punt a cat and it's OMG scum of the earth. If we mistreat a horse there is outrage, if we mistreat a cow nobody gives a shit, we torture a pig nobody gives a shit, but we do the slightest harm to a cat or a dog and outrage once again.
Kurt Zouma is a bit of a scumbag, but so am I because for 30 plus years I've payed people to commit the most horrific acts of torture on living beings so I can have a maccies.
Why is it important for some of you to mention colour all the time? It just gets wierd putting blame on white population for something that has nothing to do with issue about player. People regardless of colour, religion and whatever it can be have shown ugly side of humans through history.
This is about animal abuse.
Well said.
This thread is genuinely mental.