[saivet]

Why do England do this? I remember Ole and United making a big deal out of England putting Greenwood out for a press conference. I especially remember Ole saying Mason didn't even know what day it was that's how mentally fatigued the young players are by the end of the season.
Ferguson had a philosophy about this too. I genuinely wonder what England's justification of this is. They clearly study those things, so it must be that they feel exposure to the media from a young age is better than trying to baby them. Personally I would prefer the more experienced players to talk to the press only. Experience based on appearances, not by age.

I think there's a maturity aspect to it. It's more of a credit to Kobbie's mentality and confidence I think. Greenwood was always deemed as being quite immature and not that good of a speaker, so he was probably guided away from that spotlight as it may have done him some harm.

No issues whatsoever with Kobbie doing pre-match press conference.

 

[top1whoisman]

 

[BAMSOLA]

Why?

His focus at his age should just be football with as little responsibility as possible on media issues. You could also argue he needed a full break preseason having started far more games than he perhaps would have done if we had an even decent number of central midfield option.

There'll be plenty of time for him to take the spotlight as he matures.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Remember the geese]

Why are Transfermarkt's values so low? Completely unrealistic.

 

[top1whoisman]

Why are Transfermarkt's values so low? Completely unrealistic.

Because they have them based on nothing really.

From their website: ”The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail. In general, the Transfermarkt market values are not to be equated with transfer fees.”

 

[saik]

Because they have them based on nothing really.

From their website: ”The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail. In general, the Transfermarkt market values are not to be equated with transfer fees.”

Imagine if we all on the Caf evaluate players transfer values. What a load of nonsense those valuations are from that website.

 

[top1whoisman]

Imagine if we all on the Caf evaluate players transfer values. What a load of nonsense those valuations are from that website.

That’s the thing though, they’ve always been open about it and said they shouldn’t be used as realistic valuations. Yet people do it all the time, this forum included.

 

[caid]

Because they have them based on nothing really.

From their website: ”The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail. In general, the Transfermarkt market values are not to be equated with transfer fees.”

Do they multiply their value by 1.5 if they play for barcelona? Weird gap with the top 2.

 

[V.O.]

I don't think you could buy a single one of these players for the price listed.

 

[saik]

That’s the thing though, they’ve always been open about it and said they shouldn’t be used as realistic valuations. Yet people do it all the time, this forum included.

Yea these kind of things are always made to generate discussions, nothing more than that really. As it's near impossible to reach a general consensus. Similar to that list from a few days ago ranking top 10 players in each position. All designed to generate clicks/engagement as there will be many who will want to voice their displeasure over a player being in the list/not being in the list.

 

[top1whoisman]

Yea these kind of things are always made to generate discussions, nothing more than that really. As it's near impossible to reach a general consensus. Similar to that list from a few days ago ranking top 10 players in each position. All designed to generate clicks/engagement as there will be many who will want to voice their displeasure over a player being in the list/not being in the list.

I love TM’s website, such a good & reliable source for match data, injuries, transfers etc. But the transfer value is the one thing I would ignore.

Regarding the tweet, I agree.

 

[Remember the geese]

Because they have them based on nothing really.

From their website: ”The Transfermarkt market values are calculated taking into account various pricing models. A major factor is the Transfermarkt community, whose members discuss and evaluate player market values in detail. In general, the Transfermarkt market values are not to be equated with transfer fees.”

Ah, I see. All a bit pointless then really.

 

[top1whoisman]

Ah, I see. All a bit pointless then really.

I’d say there are some indications that the rankings are somewhat valid, but the values themselves are based on nothing. And to be fair, it’s very difficult to estimate the transfer values of players. Remaining contract length, age, injuries, stats, nationality, potential release clause etc. So many things that can affect them.

 

[saik]

I love TM’s website, such a good & reliable source for match data, injuries, transfers etc. But the transfer value is the one thing I would ignore.

Regarding the tweet, I agree.

I'd say theres other better websites out there for those data only that TM's seems the most popular. Also, based on how they presented Olise's injury history on their website(I was discussing this with another poster in Olise's thread) seems like they not that reliable for it.

 

[top1whoisman]

I'd say theres other better websites out there for those data only that TM's seems the most popular. Also, based on how they presented Olise's injury history on their website(I was discussing this with another poster in Olise's thread) seems like they not that reliable for it.

Yeah of course, TM’s stats are just simple G/A.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[lex talionis]

Scholes is right, or at least it's very likely that he's right. But it would require Southgate to take a risk to see if Scholes is right and if there's one thing we know about Southgate, like all managers of the England NT before him going back to the 1970s, is that he is averse to taking any risks. Better to play the big names and accept losing and at least argue that the big names got their chance than to push all the way and risk defeat playing lesser known names.

Expect the team to come home soon.

 

[Blood Mage]

I don't think Mainoo has the natural vision and passing range to be that type of midfielder. I see him as more of a Moussa Dembele type midfielder, a ball-carrying CM who gets everywhere.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I don't think Mainoo has the natural vision and passing range to be that type of midfielder. I see him as more of a Moussa Dembele type midfielder, a ball-carrying CM who gets everywhere.

Vision he has. The only thing he lacks is his long passing range of a Kroos or Rodri, but I doubt the aforementioned two were spraying passes around and controlling games at the age of 19.

 

[FrankWhite]

The tournament has come a couple of years too soon for kobbie. Next world cup barring injuries, he'll be there.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

The tournament has come a couple of years too soon for kobbie. Next world cup barring injuries, he'll be there.

Not really when Arnold and Gallagher are the alternatives. He's clearly the better option right now. Playing vs Man City in an FA Cup final and other performances against Liverpool proves he's ready to perform at a high level

 

[tenpoless]

His face is so pink.

 

[Lentwood]

We don't respect players like Mainoo in England. We're the only country in the World where people would be regularly debating whether Frank Lampard was a better player than Paul Scholes.

 

[Withnail]

Not really when Arnold and Gallagher are the alternatives. He's clearly the better option right now. Playing vs Man City in an FA Cup final and other performances against Liverpool proves he's ready to perform at a high level

It's hilarious to me that playing TAA at CM was seen as less of a risk than Mainoo.

 

[OldTrevil]

Exactly, you actually can partner him and Rice with the latter as the water carrier, chasing everything in the middle and putting out fires before they start, and then giving the ball to Mainoo to advance play. This is how France paired Pogba and Kante in 2018 World Cup and dominated all midfields they came across, but Southgate is beyond clueless to even see that.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Mainoo is being hyped a bit too much now. I don’t think he’s a silver bullet for England, that would magically solve the midfield. He’s not really similar to Rodri or Kroos in the way he plays, like Scholes seems to suggest.

If you put him next to Rice, I still think some cover would be missing. Isn’t that also kind of what happened against Iceland?

 

[Drainy]

Mainoo is being hyped a bit too much now. I don’t think he’s a silver bullet for England, that would magically solve the midfield. He’s not really similar to Rodri or Kroos in the way he plays, like Scholes seems to suggest.

If you put him next to Rice, I still think some cover would be missing. Isn’t that also kind of what happened against Iceland?

It's not a problem if you set the team up properly and your rest defence are able to win defensive duels

 

[Kopral Jono]

Exactly, you actually can partner him and Rice with the latter as the water carrier, chasing everything in the middle and putting out fires before they start, and then giving the ball to Mainoo to advance play. This is how France paired Pogba and Kante in 2018 World Cup and dominated all midfields they came across, but Southgate is beyond clueless to even see that.

Southgate can actually see this. If we can see it he can also see it, the problem is he just doesn't think it's the correct approach. Managers are driven by a set of values and principles and Southgate's just happen to be heavily inspired by 2006 Middlesbrough.

 

[Insanity]

Mainoo is being hyped a bit too much now. I don’t think he’s a silver bullet for England, that would magically solve the midfield. He’s not really similar to Rodri or Kroos in the way he plays, like Scholes seems to suggest.

If you put him next to Rice, I still think some cover would be missing. Isn’t that also kind of what happened against Iceland?

I agree. The hype is getting OTT. The more a player is kept out, the better he becomes. What England lack in the midfield is an excellent passer of the football. Someone who can unlock the attack with his vision and passing. Southgate tried TAA in the position but it didn't work out. England doesn't have anyone else of that ilk. The only other English player who I can think of with some of those qualities is James Ward-Prowse, who I don't think is in the squad.

The other option is England tries to play a more pro-active style of football and uses a three man midfield with Mainoo and Foden on either side of Rice. But the then the problem arises of where to play Jude. Unfortunately, England will have to grind through results given the lack of terrific passers in their midfield. Mainoo will definitely be better than TAA or Gallagher, but he won't turn out to be some transformational midfielder like everyone excepts.

 

[FrankWhite]

Not really when Arnold and Gallagher are the alternatives. He's clearly the better option right now. Playing vs Man City in an FA Cup final and other performances against Liverpool proves he's ready to perform at a high level

He's a better player in midfield for sure but there's more to it than that. He needs to become that player that commands respect and demands the ball, not defer to players like or Bellingham or Rice, who quite frankly that isn't their game. He needs to be getting some of the highest touches in team otherwise he's no better than Gallagher, who for all his flaws, is more combative and energetic than Kobbie.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

He’s not a silver bullet but the best England performance I’ve seen recently was the Belgium game when he was MOTM and connected fantastically with Foden and Bellingham. He’s stil l clearly our best option. I also notice the media hatchet job seems to be working as I’m noticing more and more posters seeming to indicate he’s a liability defensively when that really isn’t the case at all.

 

[Bobade]

His face is so pink.

He's just remembered he posted that toe sucking video.

 

[Dannn411]

I don't think Mainoo has the natural vision and passing range to be that type of midfielder. I see him as more of a Moussa Dembele type midfielder, a ball-carrying CM who gets everywhere.

He has the vision in spades. Only thing missing is the passing range.

 

[devilsadvoca8]

The United fans on here actually trying to say Mainoo hype isn't valid is weird. Guy is a generational talent, the likes that we haven't had in a while since maybe Mason. If Mainoo was at some Italian or French club you'd all be hyping him up to the high heavens but I see a lot of folks already taking us having him for granted. Forget trying to lower expectations, he can live up to the high ones, his talent is clear and he's shown it on the highest stage. No one tempered Rooney's expectations so why Mainoo. He's the real deal and nothing so far shows he won't live up to the hype or even surpass it.

 

[reelworld]

I agree. The hype is getting OTT. The more a player is kept out, the better he becomes. What England lack in the midfield is an excellent passer of the football. Someone who can unlock the attack with his vision and passing. Southgate tried TAA in the position but it didn't work out. England doesn't have anyone else of that ilk. The only other English player who I can think of with some of those qualities is James Ward-Prowse, who I don't think is in the squad.

The other option is England tries to play a more pro-active style of football and uses a three man midfield with Mainoo and Foden on either side of Rice. But the then the problem arises of where to play Jude. Unfortunately, England will have to grind through results given the lack of terrific passers in their midfield. Mainoo will definitely be better than TAA or Gallagher, but he won't turn out to be some transformational midfielder like everyone excepts.

Nahh, I think what England needs right now is someone who can keep the ball and advances it either through dribbles or passes, and Mainoo excel in both. Right now with presses and cutting off England passing lanes, England players are clueless. Mainoo can break the press and find other angles to pass with his close control and dribbling ability in tight spaces. He's literally the perfect partner for Rice

 

[Pronewbie]

Decided to refresh my memory of Mainoo's season by watching a random video because people seem to be downplaying him for whatever reason.



I'm sorry but you cannot convince me that Mainoo isn't a viable solution to England's midfield issues at the Euros. He can easily dribble through a high press and make line-breaking passes. He's also better than TAA defensively.

I don't know anything about Wharton but if he's better, sure. The point is to fix the dysfunctional team, Southgate instructions aside.

 

[Dannn411]

The United fans on here actually trying to say Mainoo hype isn't valid is weird. Guy is a generational talent, the likes that we haven't had in a while since maybe Mason. If Mainoo was at some Italian or French club you'd all be hyping him up to the high heavens but I see a lot of folks already taking us having him for granted. Forget trying to lower expectations, he can live up to the high ones, his talent is clear and he's shown it on the highest stage. No one tempered Rooney's expectations so why Mainoo. He's the real deal and nothing so far shows he won't live up to the hype or even surpass it.

Spot on. He is a very special talent and quite frankly, I can't believe our academy uenearthed a player as technical as him. We typically value physical attributes (Speed, Strength, Height) over technical.

 

[Donut]

Southgate succumbing to the press after the Iceland friendly. He'll say he's protecting a young kid, but really he's just a coward. You're playing Slovenia, and you don't even need to win to qualify but of course he'll rather play Gallagher.

 

[romufc]

Southgate succumbing to the press after the Iceland friendly. He'll say he's protecting a young kid, but really he's just a coward. You're playing Slovenia, and you don't even need to win to qualify but of course he'll rather play Gallagher.

Yep, he has gone into full defence mode in a game where he can experiment.

Shows you the cowardness of a manager he is.