Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season

tomaldinho1 said:
Yep, the numbers will rack up quickly for us as the quality increases as well. Quick gentleman's wager, how many PL goals you think Hojlund will end up with end of season? I'm going for 12.
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12 would be a great achievement. He'd have to be scoring at slightly over a 1 in 2 ratio from here on in. It's possible, but from where he was just 6 weeks ago, even if he reached 10, it would represent great progress. Think I'll play it relatively safe and go with 10 :)
 
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RobinLFC said:
Disagree on the last sentence though, TAA - Konate - Robertson with a any decent CB replacing Van Dijk is miles and miles above the back four you mention imo.
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Of course it is, looking back at it now. But at the time, Smalling and Jones were regarded by many as a future regular England centre half pairing and Rafael had just played 40 times in Fergie's last season. Considering TAA might soon be seen as a CM more regularly than a RB , it's not too outlandish to say that at the time, we might have been as confident in Rafael, Jones and Smalling as you are in TAA, Konate and Robbertson now.
 
RobinLFC said:
You mean Konate, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo who have already proven that they are quality players outside of Liverpool?

Also so narrow-minded to pick out the Arsenal game as "a glimpse of what the attack looks like without Salah". Without Salah:
- We comfortably won at Arsenal and scored 2
- Put 4 past Bournemouth at their place
- Put 5 past Norwich at home
- Put 4 past Chelsea at home

But of course you chose to single out the Arsenal game :lol:
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I agree with your point in general, but need to question the description on that line. You should have been 2 or 3 down at half time, opened the scoring late due to an own goal then sealed it in injury time as we were chasing the game.
 
GoonerBear said:
I agree with your point in general, but need to question the description on that line. You should have been 2 or 3 down at half time, opened the scoring late due to an own goal then sealed it in injury time as we were chasing the game.
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"Comfortably" might be too strong a wording I guess, but you didn't really trouble us too much as far as I can remember. A few chances before HT yes (Odegaard his the crossbar?) but don't deserve to win anyway if you don't put those away imo.

We were awful yesterday and 100% deserved to lose that one, unfortunately.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
This isn't true at all, they lost to a good Arsenal team away from home. City were favourites for the league at the beginning of the season and Pool/Arsenal will fight for 2nd/3rd. Maybe one of them can push City but I doubt it unless the 115fc punishment comes around quickly.

Allisson, VVD (even this old, slower version), Konate, TAA, Salah, Nunez, arguably Mac Allister, arguably Diaz, arguably Jota would start for us. The hope is by the end of the season, players like Hojlund, Mainoo, Dalot, Rashford have either kept up the promise or regained form and the Pool players fall off a cliff but, as of today, but we've been poor for most of this season.

The CL is incredibly weak and has been for a few years so they have a real chance, even Bayern and Real look quite average so basically they hope City get some tough draws and then they're likely favourites.
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First they aren’t even in CL this year. Without Klopp they will struggle to keep the high pace and it all stands with that.

We are not one of the top team in Europe anymore and yet. TAA will struggle with his defensive duties, Konate and VVD are just not good enough. I will take the front tree - Diaz, Nunez and Jota as sub. And everyone can see Allison is pure class besides his feck ups vs. arsenal.

Liverpool are a fantastic team because of the tactic, high press, high pace. Not because they are individually good. When Klopp and the perfect team spirit disappear, they will struggle. Their owners are as bad as ours and that will kill them to win anything.
 
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Cutch said:
Lindelof, Anthony, Sancho, Van De Beek etc all looked like quality players too in functional sides. They probably would playing for Jurgen Klopp also.

Konate is very good, Diaz pre injury looked good. Szoboszlai looks like he has potential and Jota is good enough as a squad player in a title winning side. The like of Gravenberch, Elliott, Gakpo, Quansah, Bradley, Nunez etc still have it all to prove though.

It's like when we thought our back 4 was sorted post fergie for the next 10 years with Rafael, Jones, Smalling and Fabio.

It's a decent squad but without Klopp, Salah and Van Dijk it doesn't scream star quality to me. Salah is as good a clutch player as I've seen in years, getting someone to replicate that in the biggest games is going to be near impossible and getting the new manager right is absolutely huge.
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I'd argue Salah isn't a clutch player. He never shows up in cup finals. Losing Mane was a bigger blow in that regard. Always showed up for those occasions.
 
Savlehest said:
Seriously though Liverpool’s squad is not close to be good enough for the CL or PL triumph. They need world class players to keep the standards Klopp provided. I struggle to find players any other top club would take, besides the front tree and Allison.
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Strange how they are challenging for the PL this season then. Last season can happen any side, it's the bounce back that matters, pre that and this season have shown Liverpool are a top side. New midfield is a huge upgrade already. Salah and VVD have been amazing but both pass their lofty peaks, both a bit slower, expected. Liverpool have shown that the rest of the team can step up when Salah is unavailable, if we get £100-150m for him at this point in his career, that is great money to reinvest wisely hopefully. Konate has been better than VVD in some games they've played together this season, a good position to be in to bring a new CB in if VVD does leave. It's still a very strong side and I think most people would expect the new manager to be able bring in another couple of top players, plenty to be excited about as far as I'm concerned.
 
Klopper76 said:
I'd argue Salah isn't a clutch player. He never shows up in cup finals. Losing Mane was a bigger blow in that regard. Always showed up for those occasions.
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Maybe but I always found Salah a bastard, games that would be tight and you'd create little and he'd get one chance and stick it away clinically.

To replace that (and Firmino who was another bastard) with Diaz, Gakpo and Nunez I'm not at all convinced by. Jota to be fair to him seems to have that calm head.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
New midfield is a huge upgrade already
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Im not sure how the new midfield is a huge upgrade, Mac Allister seems to contribute very little other than shots straight at the keeper from the distance, Endo was a pannic buy and is bang average, and Szabozlai looked good in his early games but hasnt really stood out in any of the recent games ive seen and doesnt look to be worth the £70m they paid for him.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
Strange how they are challenging for the PL this season then. Last season can happen any side, it's the bounce back that matters, pre that and this season have shown Liverpool are a top side. New midfield is a huge upgrade already. Salah and VVD have been amazing but both pass their lofty peaks, both a bit slower, expected. Liverpool have shown that the rest of the team can step up when Salah is unavailable, if we get £100-150m for him at this point in his career, that is great money to reinvest wisely hopefully. Konate has been better than VVD in some games they've played together this season, a good position to be in to bring a new CB in if VVD does leave. It's still a very strong side and I think most people would expect the new manager to be able bring in another couple of top players, plenty to be excited about as far as I'm concerned.
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I think your weakest link is the midfield. Non of them is good enough without total press football. And I struggle to see a new manager with his own tactics will bring the same to the table. I am a huge admire of Klopp, and I really think he is the key to a massive over performing by the players. They can run, press and try a quick pass to a fast frontline. But the midfield show their weakness in so many games.

They are in the race right now, but everyone knows city will get it in the end. Liverpool will drop more points from now on
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Im not sure how the new midfield is a huge upgrade, Mac Allister seems to contribute very little other than shots straight at the keeper from the distance, Endo was a pannic buy and is bang average, and Szabozlai looked good in his early games but hasnt really stood out in any of the recent games ive seen and doesnt look to be worth the £70m they paid for him.
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Mac Allister has been great since coming back from injury. Struggled a fair bit before that.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
Strange how they are challenging for the PL this season then. Last season can happen any side, it's the bounce back that matters, pre that and this season have shown Liverpool are a top side. New midfield is a huge upgrade already. Salah and VVD have been amazing but both pass their lofty peaks, both a bit slower, expected. Liverpool have shown that the rest of the team can step up when Salah is unavailable, if we get £100-150m for him at this point in his career, that is great money to reinvest wisely hopefully. Konate has been better than VVD in some games they've played together this season, a good position to be in to bring a new CB in if VVD does leave. It's still a very strong side and I think most people would expect the new manager to be able bring in another couple of top players, plenty to be excited about as far as I'm concerned.
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It's not an amazing midfield, it's a 7/10 compared to what you had last season. It's actually nowhere near as good as Fabinhp Wijnaldum Henderson was
 
DJ Jeff said:
It's not an amazing midfield, it's a 7/10 compared to what you had last season. It's actually nowhere near as good as Fabinhp Wijnaldum Henderson was
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When they were playing together, they were labelled water carriers who benefited from the system and were barely startable outside of Klopp's system, especially Wijnaldum and Henderson. Now that we've moved on from them and brought in a completely new midfield which performs just as well, suddenly Fabinho/Wijnaldum/Henderson was so much better than what we currently have?

The only thing we're lacking is a quality holding midfielder like Fabinho, and which is why we were in for both Lavia and Caicedo last summer. Mac Allister + Szoboszlai is a more talented duo than Wijnaldum + Henderson was.
 
RobinLFC said:
When they were playing together, they were labelled water carriers who benefited from the system and were barely startable outside of Klopp's system, especially Wijnaldum and Henderson. Now that we've moved on from them and brought in a completely new midfield which performs just as well, suddenly Fabinho/Wijnaldum/Henderson was so much better than what we currently have?

The only thing we're lacking is a quality holding midfielder like Fabinho, and which is why we were in for both Lavia and Caicedo last summer. Mac Allister + Szoboszlai is a more talented duo than Wijnaldum + Henderson was.
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That's great and all but I didn't label them that. They were all excellent to legendary at Liverpool. Mac Allister and Szobo have a long way to go to ever match them. Just because they are a bit more silky on the ball doesn't make them as good as them, let alone better.

Yes I agree your midfield has suffered this season for not having a Fabinho though. You somehow got huge money for him after his legs has gone, baffling they didn't push through a deal for Lavia or Caicedo and I think that's what will cost you the title.
 
DJ Jeff said:
That's great and all but I didn't label them that. They were all excellent to legendary at Liverpool. Mac Allister and Szobo have a long way to go to ever match them. Just because they are a bit more silky on the ball doesn't make them as good as them, let alone better.
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They were/are legendary because they were part of the team that won everything, not because they were great, great players or anything like that. Fully agree that Mac Allister and Szoboszlai have a long way to go to match their achievements or status at the club, but comparing them individually, they are already better players than those former two or at the very least have the capacity to become better players, if one doesn't believe they currently already are.

Yes I agree your midfield has suffered this season for not having a Fabinho though. You somehow got huge money for him after his legs has gone, baffling they didn't push through a deal for Lavia or Caicedo and I think that's what will cost you the title.
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Not sure what more we could've done. Caicedo stuck to his word which he already had given to Chelsea, and Lavia had personal reasons (read: money imo) to chose them over us. We did everything we could in that process, can't force a player to join a club... If you wanna put blame on the club in that whole saga, it's for not acting sooner and scooping up Caicedo before he committed to Chelsea, but no idea when that actually happened - we might've been too late in any case.

The money for Fabinho was laughable indeed (Henderson as well to be honest). I hope we can pull of the same thing for Salah and Van Dijk (not that I want them gone but if a Saudi club still wants to fork out £150-200m for Salah when he's 32 years old, be my guest).
 
DJ Jeff said:
That's great and all but I didn't label them that. They were all excellent to legendary at Liverpool. Mac Allister and Szobo have a long way to go to ever match them. Just because they are a bit more silky on the ball doesn't make them as good as them, let alone better.

Yes I agree your midfield has suffered this season for not having a Fabinho though. You somehow got huge money for him after his legs has gone, baffling they didn't push through a deal for Lavia or Caicedo and I think that's what will cost you the title.
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They have Endo.
 
How come we seem to be the only fanbase who see through their insufferability? Everton, City, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. don’t like them much but it always seems to be up to us to point out their lack of self-awareness and downright bellendry. Then you have lower-league supporters who just lap up their self-indulgence and seem sympathetic towards them but revel in our demise every chance they get. I’ll never understand it.
 
The Arsenal celebrations really have got to them, many of their fans commenting on how the Alonso and Leverkusen celebrations are more classy than the Arteta ones, totally forgetting some of Klopps celebrations.

I mean, Odegaard took the Arsenal camera man’s picture, while the Leverkusen goalie goes into the crowd to what looks like conduct chanting, but that’s ok because Alonso might be their new manager.

https://x.com/anythinglfc_/status/1756408209315709392?s=46
 
Buchan said:
How come we seem to be the only fanbase who see through their insufferability? Everton, City, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. don’t like them much but it always seems to be up to us to point out their lack of self-awareness and downright bellendry. Then you have lower-league supporters who just lap up their self-indulgence and seem sympathetic towards them but revel in our demise every chance they get. I’ll never understand it.
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You must not be on Twitter, they're easily the most universally despised fanbase in the UK for shit like "we invented celebrating" and calling everyone south of Merseyside Tories, among other things.
 
I can see the prick was booked again today. Nothing will come of it though - this seems to be their substitution for actual punishment.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Said it before but Peak Fergie would of had a mind games field day with Klopp
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Oh definitely. Surprised , in all his time there, he's had a charmed life with his opposition. SAF would've loved playing mind games with that a guy.

Klopp and Liverpool are a sentimental, overly emotional bunch and one little trivial mocking of that has clearly got them all defensive.
 
Today was more evidence that he messed up his rebuild.

He did fantastically well to spend the money on his famous front three and complete it so well with Alisson and van Dijk, but he fecked up totally rebuilding the side.

Van Dijk himself is over 30 and they don’t have a partner for him that can stay fit, their best defensive minded midfielder is a 31 year old from nowhere, once Salah goes, the new front three is a world away from the old one in terms of ability.

Once Salah goes, they don’t have a single special player in his prime (Trent still can’t defend)

He has jumped after he knows he has wasted money and failed to bring in the same quality. Going out under the guise that it’s time, rather than “I fecked it”

300 million Euros on Darwin, Gakpo, Endo, Gravenberch, Mac Allister and Szoboszai is a no from me Jeff.

The next manager will struggle with this squad, and it’s partly his fault.
 
Irrational. said:
I can see the prick was booked again today. Nothing will come of it though - this seems to be their substitution for actual punishment.
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Klopps been in the prem for 9 years, yet the first time I became aware there’s an actual rule for cumulative yellow cards was when Ten Hag served a touchline ban - the most placid man in the league!
 
2 man midfield said:
Klopps been in the prem for 9 years, yet the first time I became aware there’s an actual rule for cumulative yellow cards was when Ten Hag served a touchline ban - the most placid man in the league!
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Normalise acting like a prat and refs just take that as how you are

Normalise being relatively calm and when you act out refs think you've gone too far
 
Hakara said:
The ONLY reason his stats doesn't match up is because of a certain oil doped club under Pep. If it was a more fair fight he would have more titles at Liverpool.
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Fergie did it when Ambramovich came in and financially doped Chelsea. Granted he didn’t have it all his own way but we still competed and won many trophies.
 
Steve 007 said:
Fergie did it when Ambramovich came in and financially doped Chelsea. Granted he didn’t have it all his own way but we still competed and won many trophies.
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And I think all on this forum would agree that Fergie was on his own level compared to most he was competing against. He was the manager that could squeeze water out of stone, making mediocre players seem like world class.
 
Hakara said:
And I think all on this forum would agree that Fergie was on his own level compared to most he was competing against. He was the manager that could squeeze water out of stone, making mediocre players seem like world class.
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PL class surely? None of those players, or Ferguson himself, won more than 2 CLs in TWENTY (20) years of being in the competition. To be considered world class as manager or player you'd need to include other stuff from the 'world'.
 
Dumbstar said:
PL class surely? None of those players, or Ferguson himself, won more than 2 CLs in TWENTY (20) years of being in the competition. To be considered world class as manager or player you'd need to include other stuff from the 'world'.
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How many CLs have Klopp and Pep won?
 
Josh 76 said:
When it come to Fergie, it's "he only won 2 CL in 20 years."
When it comes to Klopp, It's "he got to 4 CL finals".

Can't win with this Klopp loving media!
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Pep must be coming up close to 20 years himself as well and he’s literally been the manager of the favourites each year!
 
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