Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season

DoubleDinhos said:
We ended the season on a ten game unbeaten run - winning 8 out the last 10...
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This bit kind of undermines writing off the season due to 1-2 injuries doesn't it? VvD clearly not that important if the rest of the team had that run in them.

United's injury crisis has been 3-4x worse this season but I'm yet to see pundits tripping over themselves to excuse the performances based on this in the way they did for Klopp.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
This bit kind of undermines writing off the season due to 1-2 injuries doesn't it? VvD clearly not that important if the rest of the team had that run in them.

United's injury crisis has been 3-4x worse this season but I'm yet to see pundits tripping over themselves to excuse the performances based on this in the way they did for Klopp.
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Maybe because so far there is no signs of such an unbeaten run by Ten Hags side despite the first teamers already returning?

It wasn’t 1-2 players either, it was the whole first team central defense. It was also negligent by Pool to have so few first teamers in the first place but that’s another matter. Klopp played more than half of that season with a Championship or even League one central defense. It changed the whole Gegenpressing dynamic of their high line because the players where slow and immobile as you’d expect from their level. Klopp still finished that season on a CL spot. I’m sure if Varane, Martinez and Maguire all get injured again and Ten Hag finishes the season on a CL spot playing Evans and Kambwala every game he’ll get plenty pundits tripping over themselves praising him.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
This bit kind of undermines writing off the season due to 1-2 injuries doesn't it? VvD clearly not that important if the rest of the team had that run in them.

United's injury crisis has been 3-4x worse this season but I'm yet to see pundits tripping over themselves to excuse the performances based on this in the way they did for Klopp.
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Again, it wasn't 1-2 injuries.

I didn't name all the injuries there (Jota missed 21 games, Thiago missed 21 games, Fabinho and Henderson and Alexander-Arnold missed significant time), I just named the pertinent ones that took out all the players in our squad capable of playing centre-back beyond two untested youth players. If I've got things right it would be the equivalent of you playing the rest of the season with Evans and Kambwala as your only viable centre back pairing.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
United's injury crisis has been 3-4x worse this season but I'm yet to see pundits tripping over themselves to excuse the performances based on this in the way they did for Klopp.
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They've gone completely the other way, several times the pundits have said it is no excuse at all. That a club of our size should be able to manage with injuries.
 
jadajos said:
Maybe because so far there is no signs of such an unbeaten run by Ten Hags side despite the first teamers already returning?

It wasn’t 1-2 players either, it was the whole first team central defense. It was also negligent by Pool to have so few first teamers in the first place but that’s another matter. Klopp played more than half of that season with a Championship or even League one central defense. It changed the whole Gegenpressing dynamic of their high line because the players where slow and immobile as you’d expect from their level. Klopp still finished that season on a CL spot. I’m sure if Varane, Martinez and Maguire all get injured again and Ten Hag finishes the season on a CL spot playing Evans and Kambwala every game he’ll get plenty pundits tripping over themselves praising him.
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I mean, I don't think we'll win 8 in 10 but there's only been 1 game since GW 2 where you could say anything like our strongest players have been back so I guess it's 100% so far?

I genuinely doubt EtH would get any praise. Which is why the Klopp love in by journalists and pundits for someone who is passive-aggressive in most interactions and a magnanimous chopper on the touchline to the officials every week.
 
I predict a Jurgen u-turn after they win the league.

Not a pretty thought, but you know it to be true.
 
These cnuts won’t have a single 50/50 call go against them for the rest of the season now the Weetabix-toothed one has announced his departure. No referee wants to be the one to ruin the ‘fairytale’ ending. :rolleyes:
 
DoubleDinhos said:
Again, it wasn't 1-2 injuries.

I didn't name all the injuries there (Jota missed 21 games, Thiago missed 21 games, Fabinho and Henderson and Alexander-Arnold missed significant time), I just named the pertinent ones that took out all the players in our squad capable of playing centre-back beyond two untested youth players. If I've got things right it would be the equivalent of you playing the rest of the season with Evans and Kambwala as your only viable centre back pairing.
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How did you end up in a position in terms of squad planning where 1-2 defensive injuries result in you playing "untested youth players" despite having the highest spend per title of any PL winning manager? Tad under €1bn for 1 title in 8 years, is it?
 
Watching the Chelsea game, they had a close up of Klopp sitting on the bench just before the kick off breathing very heavily. I know it’s speculation, but he doesn’t look well if you ask me. It’s more than just about energy I suspect, there’s something wrong with him.
 
Why are all klopps coaching and support staff leaving as well ?

Surely you would keep them for continuity.

Moves made the huge error of sacking all SAFs support to bring his own in, which they club should not gave allowed.

Managers need to become much less powerful and controlling in a club and be much more " plug and play" with the staff that the club have chosen.
 
Stig said:
Why are all klopps coaching and support staff leaving as well ?

Surely you would keep them for continuity.

Moves made the huge error of sacking all SAFs support to bring his own in, which they club should not gave allowed.

Managers need to become much less powerful and controlling in a club and be much more " plug and play" with the staff that the club have chosen.
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Well for one, you can't force them to stay. They may not want to work under a new coach.

For two, managers have there own teams pretty much. Yeah moyes shouldnt have sacked the united team who just want a league title (if he did sack them), but really united shouldn't have brought in a manager like moyes who'd bring in his midtable backroom team.

Plug and play as you call it is still achievable with a new manager and team, it's down to the club to bring in the right manager.
 
Stig said:
Why are all klopps coaching and support staff leaving as well ?

Surely you would keep them for continuity.

Moves made the huge error of sacking all SAFs support to bring his own in, which they club should not gave allowed.

Managers need to become much less powerful and controlling in a club and be much more " plug and play" with the staff that the club have chosen.
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Managers tend to bring their own people in. Granted, not for every backroom position, but don't think they want to stick around for 5 months before they find out if they still got a job.
 
Stig said:
Why are all klopps coaching and support staff leaving as well ?

Surely you would keep them for continuity.

Moves made the huge error of sacking all SAFs support to bring his own in, which they club should not gave allowed.

Managers need to become much less powerful and controlling in a club and be much more " plug and play" with the staff that the club have chosen.
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Two of them want to go into management themselves.
 
Stig said:
Why are all klopps coaching and support staff leaving as well ?

Surely you would keep them for continuity.

Moves made the huge error of sacking all SAFs support to bring his own in, which they club should not gave allowed.

Managers need to become much less powerful and controlling in a club and be much more " plug and play" with the staff that the club have chosen.
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Well a lot of manager's have their own coaching staff that they're loyal towards and bring over I to their new club. If they're part of what made you successful in the first place it's only natural to want to bring them.
 
Buchan said:
These cnuts won’t have a single 50/50 call go against them for the rest of the season now the Weetabix-toothed one has announced his departure. No referee wants to be the one to ruin the ‘fairytale’ ending. :rolleyes:
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THey will win every game they play
 
redallover87 said:
This cope from some united fans is embarrassing and rival fans must be laughing.
15/16( not even a full season as he joined in october)and 17/18 were his first 2 seasons (where he got to the ucl final)We should remember that sir Alex had 7 years without winning anything,it looks so desperate when you miss out important context to suit your agenda as opposed to just giving credit where it's due.20/21 was a write off season because of a horrendous injury list.Jose and solskjaer got very good points totals,as did ten hag last season,though last season was bad for klopp(i think he had hit the wall/exhausted)
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It's not cope. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that him leaving has the same impact as SAF leaving. I just don't see it.
 
redallover87 said:
That is being extremely harsh on klopp tbh.His first season wasnot even a full season,he was handed a team that was barely europa league standard,and the season after they won the league they had a write off season where their injuries were far beyond anything i have seen before,no manager could win anything in that situation.

If man city have broken rules that everyone else has followed,then they surely would have atleast 3 less prem titles,Sir Alex would have won it in 2012,and Klopp would have won it in 2019 and 2022.His ability to reach points totals only bettered by pep and his unlimited funds is astounding.If he was at United,able to spend much more than he has at liverpool and not losing star players,we would have seen him dominate the league each season.Sir Alex knew that he was by far the best manager to replace him.Klopp may not have won the champions league as often as he could,but his teams always came up against stronger sides in the champions league finals,apart from tottenham.We cannot be hypocrites and say that sir Alex was unlucky to come up against barcelona,but not give klopp the same benefit of the doubt against madrid.
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Nice try :lol:
 
roonster09 said:
Nice try :lol:
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I know what you’re trying to insinuate but your grasp of the English language is letting you down here. By ‘we’ he means anyone who watches the prem surely, it’s a commonly used phrase. If you hear a commentator say ‘we’ve seen more decisions go against X team than anyone else by VAR’ he’s not referring to being a fan of that team is he?
 
redallover87 said:
This cope from some united fans is embarrassing and rival fans must be laughing.
15/16( not even a full season as he joined in october)and 17/18 were his first 2 seasons (where he got to the ucl final)We should remember that sir Alex had 7 years without winning anything,it looks so desperate when you miss out important context to suit your agenda as opposed to just giving credit where it's due.20/21 was a write off season because of a horrendous injury list.Jose and solskjaer got very good points totals,as did ten hag last season,though last season was bad for klopp(i think he had hit the wall/exhausted)
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Hello rival fan
 
The strangest thing about this is that he's leaving at the point when it looks like Liverpool have completely rebuilt their squad and made it good enough to challenge for major trophies again.

A Liverpool squad made up of players aged 27 or under looks like,

GK Kelleher (25)
RB Bradley (20)
LB Gomez (26)
CB Konate (24)
CB Quansah (21)
CDM Macalister (25)
CM Trent (25)
CAM Szoboszlai (23)
RW Jota (27)
LW Diaz (27)
ST Nunez (24)

Subs
ST Gakpo (24)
CM Jones (23)
LB Tsimikas (27)
CAM Elliott (20)
CM Gravenberch (21)


I'd argue this is the strongest squad of players Klopp has had since he joined.
 
MegadrivePerson said:
The strangest thing about this is that he's leaving at the point when it looks like Liverpool have completely rebuilt their squad and made it good enough to challenge for major trophies again.

A Liverpool squad made up of players aged 27 or under looks like,

GK Kelleher (25)
RB Bradley (20)
LB Gomez (26)
CB Konate (24)
CB Quansah (21)
CDM Macalister (25)
CM Trent (25)
CAM Szoboszlai (23)
RW Jota (27)
LW Diaz (27)
ST Nunez (24)

Subs
ST Gakpo (24)
CM Jones (23)
LB Tsimikas (27)
CAM Elliott (20)
CM Gravenberch (21)


I'd argue this is the strongest squad of players Klopp has had since he joined.
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One of the reasons he feels somewhat comfortable in moving on.
He said in his interview that Liverpool have built a good foundation for the next coach.
 
They'll be fine, he left a really strong team for the next manager coming in assuming the successor is somewhat competent. Should be the same as in Dortmund, his influence is club-wide and I think Pool will continue with the same approach they did under Klopp. I expect some of the players to fall off pretty hard though, especially the "work-horse" types that tend to do much better in his system than others. Still overall I think Klopp's teams are way less dependent on individuals than any other teams and as long as they keep their style this is not gonna change too much.
 
The Serb said:
I know what you’re trying to insinuate but your grasp of the English language is letting you down here. By ‘we’ he means anyone who watches the prem surely, it’s a commonly used phrase. If you hear a commentator say ‘we’ve seen more decisions go against X team than anyone else by VAR’ he’s not referring to being a fan of that team is he?
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After reading his 4 posts, it's so obvious what team he supports and whether he is pretending to be ManUtd fan.
 
He will leave a stronger squad than Sir Alex Ferguson left.

After mine squad analysis of those 2 squad.


There are 2 key and important players in Klopp Liverpool squad might be hard to replace. Are Van Dijk and Salah.

Others attacking players are still at theirs peak. But they are and will compete will a City squad that are not over theirs top and peak yet. Will be hard to win premier league no matter what and who they replace Van Dijk and Salah with.

But with Arsenal and maybe Spurs. Are teams that a most close to City world class central line/spine.
 
MegadrivePerson said:
The strangest thing about this is that he's leaving at the point when it looks like Liverpool have completely rebuilt their squad and made it good enough to challenge for major trophies again.

A Liverpool squad made up of players aged 27 or under looks like,

GK Kelleher (25)
RB Bradley (20)
LB Gomez (26)
CB Konate (24)
CB Quansah (21)
CDM Macalister (25)
CM Trent (25)
CAM Szoboszlai (23)
RW Jota (27)
LW Diaz (27)
ST Nunez (24)

Subs
ST Gakpo (24)
CM Jones (23)
LB Tsimikas (27)
CAM Elliott (20)
CM Gravenberch (21)


I'd argue this is the strongest squad of players Klopp has had since he joined.
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Last year this squad of players would have been laughed at. 6 months later it's the best squad ever. Football doesn't work like this. It's rare in football that all these players will all peak into world class players.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I'm not as a matter of fact I have said he's a great manager twice in this thread.

I just think he lacks consistency to be considered top top tier.
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I think some context is useful here. Klopp only failed to get to the CL in one (full) season which was last season. The average finishing position has been much higher than Man Utd and the average points per season is a mind boggling 85.

Klopp has a higher win ratio in the Premier League than anyone bar Fergie and Guardiola. And no manager has faced harder competition than Klopp in PL history.
 
Above all I'm just happy for the players. Can't imagine the relief of recovering from asthma after having it for so long.
 
Sky Sports news just read out a message from a Liverpool fan about getting youll never walk alone to number 1 this weekend for Klopp.

Vomit inducing.
 
The last few months are going to be absolutely cringe.

‘You’ll never walk alone’ will become some emotional song towards Klopp. Every year on the day he leaves, the city of Liverpool will go into mourning with candlelit vigils and prayers with a massive carbon copy of ‘Christ the Redeemer’ with Klopp’s face over Liverpool.

I hope their next manager is an utter failure.
 
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