What top talent has Klopp attracted thus far then?
Klopp Confirmed Liverpool Manager
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What top talent has Klopp attracted thus far then?
Hummels, Gundogan, Reus and Lewandowski. All have been in top 3 - top 5 players in their position.
He beat Bayern to Reus after his POTY season for Gladbach.
Not a single one of them was a top player when they were signed.
I rate Klopp highly but that players part is just partially true, players factor in a lot of things before moving to a club and I am not sure playing under Klopp is that high on the list
Klopp's prerequisite for taking any job is to bring his assistent manager Buvac and video analyses and scouting guru Pete Krawietz with him. They were both was already with him at Mainz. Pete and his respective team at the club scout as per Klopp's instructions and suggest possible players to Klopp who discusses with Buvac and further club officials (DoF Zorc and CEO Watzke at Dortmund; DoF Heidel at Mainz and possibly president Strutz (Mainz supporters would know better to what extent Strutz was involved). At Dortmund, decisions were required to be unanimous among Klopp, Watzke and Zorc. Journos close to the club reported for example that two of the three wanted Eriksen in 2013 but one vetoed and therefore, no offer was made.
Not a top player then. Just a talent and he was a former youth player which played a part obviously.
Why would Klopp want to go there? Surely better options will be available soon - why jump in at the first thing that comes up? I don't get it.
Reus was just chosen the best player in Bundesliga and Bayern were after him too.
Also, does talent means 'an expensive player'? All of them were absolute top players as we saw by BVB reaching UCL final.
That's because Dortmund was a selling club and bought players on the cheap. Liverpool won't have that issue. Mourinho had also failed to attract any top talent at Porto before he came to Chelsea - doesn't mean he wasn't able to attract them once he had the money to throw at them.
Which is what Liverpool need. They can't buy elite established players. But if they have a manager who unearths players on that trajectory they've hit the jackpot.
Chosen as the best Bundesliga player. Record transfer for BVB. Bayern were after him.
He was around the same level as Hazard when he went to Chelsea.
No, It means players who are already right up there. He hasn't signed any player of that sort.
Doesn't sound very compatible with "The Committee"
Liverpool will have that exact problem. They are even worse off than Dortmund
He strikes me as a romantic. The way he talked about Dortmund. Liverpool is similar. A sleeping giant. Well, potentially. A project where even a top 4 finish is seen as success, so not too demanding. He might even have leeway this season with top 4 expectations next year, so space to breath in.
You are saying that but it isn't the case. Reus was the best player in Bundesliga when Dortmund signed him. He outperformed the likes of Ribery, Muller, Lewandowski, Gotze and Robben.
If he wasn't a top player then I don't know who is.
Any reason why it wouldn't be? He clearly gets loyalty out of his players, they love him (just look at Kagawa's interviews when he left Dortmund), and he has shown that he can improve their overall performance and win trophies. People underestimate how difficult it is to beat Bayern to a league title in Germany.
So? Suarez wasn't a top player when we signed him and look what a difference he made two years later on. Same with a lot of different players. Personally, I think it's a lot more fun to buy an exciting prospect and watch him come good than buying an established one, like United did with Martial.
It seems odd to give Rodgers so much money in the transfer window and sack him two months later, but in hindsight, I like #2 a lot more.
#1. We sack Rodgers after last season, which now seems like the reasonable thing to do. Klopp and Ancelotti were both taking a break from football so they weren't attainable at all. We would've ended up with an unknown quantity who would've had a lot of money to spend, or someone like De Boer, and we probably won't ever know if he would've been a success, both on the field as in the transfer window. Once again we would've failed to bring in a top, top manager and who knows where we'd be right now - maybe in exactly the same place, struggling with a new manager who we weren't going to fire after two depressing months. Of course, the new manager could've been an instant hit, but that's far less likely if he isn't a truly established one.
#2. Give Rodgers the money and one last shot, sign Klopp or Ancelotti if Rodgers fails. We might've trown away a lot of money this summer (which I'm not convinced of because I think Benteke, Clyne, Milner and even Firmino and Ings will be looked at as good signings, too early to tell for Gomez) but we're only three points away from top four and we've got ourselves a very good manager.
He can't attract the top players to Liverpool unless Liverpool can pay top wages. His name might make a difference for 2nd tier players though and he might have an advantage when it comes to German talents, which isn't a bad position for Liverpool to be in.
I haven't followed Pool's committee procedures enough to comment on that but I'm certain that it'll be non-negotiable for Klopp to not get any new player he and Buvac are not convinced of.
Liverpool really backed Brendan in the transfer market. His net spend was 300 mm pounds (link here). How are they worse off than Dortmund? They have the money to pay players.
Edit: Correction. His net spend was 100 mm, but that is not bad either considering they sold Suarez and Sterling for insane amounts of money.
One more problem Liverpool will face is that if Klopp wants to bring players in then he will have to get rid of a few players and it's unlikely they will get anywhere near the value for these players. Players like Lallana, Markovic, Lovren and Origi have to be used or Liverpool will have to take massive losses on them.
The net was 90million which is 30 million a year and they have no more big assets to sell
There was extraneous circumstances with with him as I've already explained such as Dortmund being his youth club. Besides, he wasn't German player of the year when Dortmund signed him in January,
Saw that, my mistake. These news articles give you such a wrong impression at first go! Got caught there. But point still remains, they did give Brendan the money he wanted to spend.
Even then though, that's perhaps even more worrying from an opposition perspective. Klopp seems to be someone who's capable of finding talents and turning them into top players, something that Liverpool have been woeful at in recent years with their transfer record.
Coz manager is only one of the factors, Liverpool currently can't offer big wages, cl football and isn't a great city. I saw a Dortmund fan say yesterday that his relationship with his former players also isn't as great as people make it out to be
They can't pay the wages which is why they spend it all on third rate crap hoping to strike gold. And didn't Dormtmund have the highest net spend in Germany during Klopp's last season?
Could be an exciting prospect for him. Liverpool are still a club with a big reputation, and with some shrewd transfer business Klopp would be capable of re-establishing them as a more regular top 4 side at the very least. I'm not sure a club like Chelsea would particularly be his ideal location, and he may favour a more-long term project.
I'd love for him to hold out so we could eventually get him, but the chances of him not going anywhere till 2017 seem incredibly small. Right now, he may like the idea of a job at Liverpool.
With the new TV deal, do you really believe wages will be a problem for Liverpool? The third rate crap has a lot to do with them not being able to get the top talent. They didn't have Champions League, had Brendan as manager (a bit like Moyes, unknown to continental players), and were located in a sub-par city.
I'd actually be surprised if Klopp comes closer than Rodgers did to Winning the title.
That was probably my post. I specified Reus and Hummels as not following him to Liverpool as they were two mentioned in an article as the two players potentially following Klopp to Pool. I didn't make a general claim though.
Edit: I also didn't mention the relationship but the brand of football. Big difference.
Since they are not the only one benefiting from the TV deal they will still be smashed by Chelsea, Arsenal, City and United.
Let's see. I agree that the manager is not the only factor. But there are definitely far more reasons for a player to go to play under a proven manager like Klopp instead of Brendan. Sometimes (and not all the time) despite the drawbacks of the city.
I don't disagree with that. But they will definitely get a spot on the table - unlike under Brendan or another manager that's not genuinely considered as the top managers around. Klopp's last season at Dortmund was a freak, and he rightly attributed it to his lack of motivation.
Why go to Liverpool when you can play for 4 better clubs with 4 better managers?
They will have the same spot at the same table. The only difference is with teams outside of the premier league and unfortunately for Liverpool the big continental clubs have a way stronger pull.
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