Wait 'til he realises that British football fans are more likely to throw their own poo at their club's underachieving players rather than applaud them.
Klopp and Liverpool celebrating a home draw to WBA (video added to OP)
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I'm sure Dave thought he had won it after that, was probably already imagining the headlines next day about United in famous comeback and how he was Fergie Mk2.
A 'thank-you' is done by normal clapping towards fans. Which many clubs do. Generally for a top team, a draw vs a lower half team, at home, towards the end is about relief than celebration. This was a proper celebration and hence it is bit cringe worthy.People find this cringeworthy?
And Bayern players do this after every game... I thought it was more a Thank-You to their fans than actual celebration. England is so odd sometimes.
Holy Moly it's just said on SSN that Liverpool are releasing a DVD of this match!
I like Klopp and think he's a good manager. However, I believe it'll take far more than a sense of club unity to make Liverpool achieve great things again.
How the West Was Drawn?
People find this cringeworthy?
And Bayern players do this after every game... I thought it was more a Thank-You to their fans than actual celebration. England is so odd sometimes.
But Bayern win most games by 2 or 3 goal margins. Not a 2-2 draw where they played decent at best. I doubt even the likes of Crystal Palace or Southampton would celebrate a home draw against West Brom like this
he will have problems to break down teams parking the bus. He was going on about how "teams like west brom dont deserve to win as they only play long balls"
Tbf to Klopp, he did exactly what Fergie would've done. Took off a defender and put on a striker and got the reward... Bit ott with the celebration though
Klopp: "this was another famous night at Anfield where we showed spirit and managed to get back into a tough game. West Brom will look back on this match and know we did not give up"
Imagine if Rodgers or LVG said that.
Imagine if Rodgers or LVG said that.
Well he's not in Germany anymore. And I'd rather this be looked at the way it is - laughably. I don't want a United manager ever doing that after a draw at home against West Brom. Ergh.
This, combined with the ones Akash posted equals
feck off thats a real quote
I mean no it's not but imagine if LVG said it there'd be a riot!
The Foreign flank of RedCaf does seem more sympathetic than the home based posters was more my point. But after that, I do think there might be a ''it's not a very English thing to do'' element to some people's view of it - not so much on here due to our loathing of all things LFC being the primary motivation <-- altho the foreign based posters don't seem quite up to speed on that sometimes <--- crowbars in another generalisation...
Over on RAWK, it's the Foreign lads who seem more disapproving I think <--- although only temporarily, because they are getting banned for voicing such criticism,
Over on RAWK, it's the Foreign lads who seem more disapproving I think <--- although only temporarily, because they are getting banned for voicing such criticism,
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Fan cultures apparently are different. This type of waving specifically is aimed to bounce back and forth between fans and players, both sides interacting off of each other. Seriously, this is not a statement as such about the game but more about the relationship between players and their fans. This has sprung up in the last decade and the fans really appreciate after paying (the amazingly high cost of the stands in Germany *cough*) to have a bit more of "special time" with their stars, even if it's just a couple of minutes of extra attention for the dedicated ultra block.
Now, when Müller jumps on the rails, grabs the megaphone and starts chanting shit with the fans, that is celebration. This is just normal "we respect our fans and treat them well" type stuff. And considering that the average English football fan has to sell his arm and a firstborn to get into a stadium, I'd thought you'd appreciate this a bit more than scoffing over how inappropriate this is... I mean no offense, it's your fan culture, do with it what you like. I just think it's a bit odd.
Can German posters confirm it is custom to go 2-1 down to a shitty bottom half team and then pretend to be a genius when you fluke a draw?
Damn you.
anyone can do that against WBA. They were hanging on to a lead in the last 10 mins. You only need a defender to mark Rondon. We didnt have to in our game because we were leading.
I don't know, can English posters confirm that the BPL is the greatest league of the world because every team is so tough, any team can beat anyone else?
It's funny how your statement doesn't really fit into the grand statements made about the BPL. Either every team is strong or they aren't. Make up your mind.
West Brom are bang average. Liverpool's result on the weekend was a very poor one.I don't know, can English posters confirm that the BPL is the greatest league of the world because every team is so tough because any can beat anyone else?
It's funny how your statement doesn't really fit into the grand statements made about the BPL. Either every team is strong or they aren't. Make up your mind.
I don't know, can English posters confirm that the BPL is the greatest league of the world because every team is so tough, any team can beat anyone else?
It's funny how your statement doesn't really fit into the grand statements made about the BPL. Either every team is strong or they aren't. Make up your mind.
He's not criticising the Bundesliga though; that's not his point.
I'd agree with that. A draw on a poor side is nothing to cheer about. But this is a Bayern fan speaking, so it's a bit biased... however, if you are a team that struggled to get into the season to begin with, your perspective may vary. I don't particularily care about Liverpool, don't get me wrong. I just find it amusing that this little player-fan game provokes such interpretations... it's just a fun thing to do. Didn't know there was ettiquette about how to interact with fans according to your perceived "success"
Nor was it mine, hence I corrected my post. Apologies if you saw an early (and silly) draft of it.
It's a fair point to say we mess about with the difficulty of games here in England - easy, difficult, very tricky - depending on how the game has gone & what the result is. Hindsight being the most exact science and all that. And see the Foreign leagues as being 1/2 clubs winning easy every week.
Speaking mainly for myself, there, if you like.
Speaking mainly for myself, there, if you like.
I'll clarify. Liverpool aren't really "struggling" in the true sense. I know Liverpool fans love to paint Brendon Rodgers like someone who was going to get them relegated this season but the truth is that they would have challenged for 4th place i.e a CL place this season under him but the club didn't want a challenge (like last season) but wanted 4th place itself as they felt the team had a good chance and hence went with Klopp. So Liverpool's aim is 4th (or better of course but I dont see even 4th happening). Hence no, a draw at home against West Brom is a bad result. When you're losing a game you should be winning and you draw, and it's happened to us plenty of times, the feeling generally is relief. "Phew, at least we got a point when it was looking like none. Not that bad after all". It's not ever a good result for them whichever way you look at it. So I don't see any case for it being a "perceived success".I'd agree with that. A draw on a poor side is nothing to cheer about. But this is a Bayern fan speaking, so it's a bit biased... however, if you are a team that struggled to get into the season to begin with, your perspective may vary. I don't particularily care about Liverpool, don't get me wrong. I just find it amusing that this little player-fan game provokes such interpretations... it's just a fun thing to do. Didn't know there was ettiquette about how to interact with fans according to your perceived "success"
Every time I see that Moyes gif I'm still shocked seeing him in United colours. Like a penguin in the desert.
Call it "perceived level of success" if that's more precise. The point I'm making is that this interaction is quite unrelated on how poor or great the previous game was. Instead of analysing it as a "how great do they think they are at that moment" it should be seen as a "how close do they feel to their fans that supported them even if it's just a draw". It's really interesting to see how differently you guys pick it up. Astonishing, even.
Away from the topic, now that you brought Rodgers up...Liverpool this season in league: 16 games - 24 points. Under Rodgers: 8 games - 12 points. Under Klopp: 8 games - 12 points. Now obviously under Klopp they have been more entertaining and won 2 tough fixtures, but they have also dropped points where they were expected to win. Palace home, West Brom Home, Newcastle away. A team which is smashing Chelsea-City should be getting at least 7 points from those 3 games.
I find it somewhat hilarious that the German posters in this thread defend this so vigorously, when in Germany the fans turn quicker on the man in charge and your hear whistling in the ground far more often than booing in England. Especially since it takes a lot less for some German fan groups to whistle than it takes for English fans to boo.
Hmmm. Was that 'pissed' in US terminology or 'pissed' in the UK sense ? Either way you were probably right.
The way it's picked up, as you say, on here is 99% down to how the particular football club in question is perceived - which means you can't draw general inferences from it to any great extent.
For United fans this is hilariously befitting Liverpool. It goes along with the poetry on RAWK and the commemorative books published after the "even better than actually winning the league" season. It looks like another contrived attempt at making the ordinary look special.
Might very well be unfair on Klopp (for whom this gesture is Bundesliga standard, as many have pointed out) - but I'm tempted to say so what? We're not in the habit of treating Liverpool managers fairly. They're there to be laughed at whenever it's possible to do so, that's the name of the game.
Good luck trying to laugh at Klopp instead of with him. I couldn't do it when he was a Dortmund coach.
Except for his seriously scary "I'll eat your face off!" moments... omg. The hate that man has bottled up inside him is unreal.
Except for his seriously scary "I'll eat your face off!" moments... omg. The hate that man has bottled up inside him is unreal.
That depends on the fan group / clubs, also whistleing is not exclusively aimed at the home team, more often than not it's probably because the crowd get's enraged over perceived refereeing mistake or unsporting behaviour..
I also don't really see the connection to this thread.
I was talking solely about what happens after the final whistle or the halt-time whistle.
I thought it looked hilarious because it was so forced. Yeah, teams do that a lot in Germany, even after bad games when the support was great, and I get what Klopp was trying to do. But still, if it's not common in England and the players look like they feel embarrased by it, it becomes really funny. Klopp should focus on the team now and start working on the relationship with the fans later. But then, maybe he just took a lesson out of Mourinho's playbook. Embarrass yourself to detract from the team's awful performance. He's a genius.