It's astonishing to me how differently you lot see it to be honest.
Klopp and Liverpool celebrating a home draw to WBA (video added to OP)
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He's making it pretty easy tbh.Good luck trying to laugh at Klopp instead of with him. I couldn't do it when he was a Dortmund coach.
Fans whistle mostly when they feel like their team didn't try hard enough, it isn't necessarirly connected to results. So I don't really get the relevance regarding this incident, more so since Dortmund's crowd would've most likely cheered back at the team for trying until the very last minute (I'm guessing here, since I didn't watch the match) and making something happen, if they were in a similar situation.
To be fair, the Chelsea/City results in isolation completely misrepresent how good the team is as well as what Klopp has churned out of them, because they were complete anomaly results in their season and his reign so far being wholly nullified by other very poor ones. Of course very good results but it's not totally surprising that they have been equally as bad in other games as they were good in those ones.
Interesting stats though. I expected Klopp to have done better as per the break-up.
Klopps only been there a few weeks and already inherited a losers mentality, maybe he realises the mountain of a task he has taken on is beyond needing a miracle.
It's relevant because the Germans in this thread act like they have the better fan culture for doing things like this, when there are examples which illustrate the flaws of the German football culture just as much. Dortmund and Munich being the exception currently though.
I can see WHY he did it, I'm sure the fans in the ground loved it, but it is embarrassing. Celebrating a last minute draw against a team you should be beating?! Salvaging a point FEELS like a victory, especially with that much injury time, but please, it's not.
However, I'm looking forward to open top parade on their next 3 points!
However, I'm looking forward to open top parade on their next 3 points!
I'd take being embarrassed by how much the manager was making the players salute the fans over hating the way my team plays football any day.
Maybe Klopp is too cuddly and lovable, but relative to our current man, that seems a nice problem to have. Imagine Mata being managed by Klopp! They'd turn out to be care bears.
Maybe Klopp is too cuddly and lovable, but relative to our current man, that seems a nice problem to have. Imagine Mata being managed by Klopp! They'd turn out to be care bears.
Getting weird now.
I think it's not necessarily a matter of having the better fan culture, since as with everything German fans have their good and bad sides but rather a point about how fans are treated.
Klopp is football's new age guru wanker
I have not read every page of this thread, I'll admit, but I don't think anyone has "defended" German fan culture. It's different, 'nuff said. English fans do things differently, so I said I was astonished by the interpretation of this. As much as I like Munich, when I want to praise German fan culture, I'll refer you to St. Pauli, not the fans of a club that seems to be in a pretty good phase at the moment. The English fan culture is not flawed at all, from what I can see. It's always exciting and fresh, since... you know, you guys are actually creative with your chants.
I don't get why everything has to be a rivalry, isn't it enough that our clubs are butting heads?
PS: My personal favourite are Celtic fans anyway.
Yeah, that must be it.
No one is blaming them for interacting with the fans, people are laughing at them because they are celebrating a draw against fecking WBA, at home. Would they do it if they lost? Of course not.
Nonsense, players interact with fans week in week out, this is nothing to do with interaction and everything to do with going into newly crowned league champions mode because you've scraped a draw at home to west brom via a deflected shot. And i fail to see how making the players effectively take a bow in front of the fans is supposed to show some sort of appreciation for their support.
Are you mad? Do you think United fans would be happy if LvG had celebrated the WH draw last week the same way klopp did? Playing bad is one but celebrating like you just beat Barca at Camp Nou is heights.
yeah, but, Klopp used to do this at Dortmund, it wasn't celebrating the draw.
(says my work "pal" who is so one eyed that he applauded the Suarez t-shirts, and wouldn't believe a word Evra said")
"cuddly"
i just love this gifTbf that´s against portuguese ref Duarte Gomes and he really deserved that reaction because he is a prick.
He made Liverpool look small time, even the players looked like they wanted to die. Why get so giddy for a failing to do your job? I have no time for Pulis but Klopp is a clown. I don't see the appeal at all.
I can't take him seriously after noticing how his jaw shifts to the right when he gets pissed off.
"cuddly"
I love it too, fecking highlight of that entire CL round. Still, doesn't make me want to cuddle him.
Tbf that´s against portuguese ref Duarte Gomes and he really deserved that reaction because he is a prick.
Hell, remember before he joined them when his name was being bandied about for every job he said he wanted a project and wouldn't join a big club. Mission accomplished.
The players did look disappointed with the result but maybe the reaction of the fans picks them up before they've even left the field. There must be some method to his apparent madness. I've never seen the point in booing the lads off the pitch at Old Trafford myself, they'll know themselves if they played crap, maybe trying to raise their moral would have seen us avoid this winless run we're on.
Xavi Hernandez told in amazement in a recent interview on how Mata told him and the Spanish squad that after the Moyes season they got a standing applause from the Old Trafford faithful, despite sinking from 1st to 7th. Stating that if that happened at Barca the players would be afraid to leave the stadium in their cars. United fans boo boring play not bad results, rightly or wrongly.
Klopp is trying to create a fortress with the Anfield faithful by creating unity. I feel that his judgement might have been misplaced in this case. Their league form under him, has it been any better than under Rogers?
I understand what Klopp is trying to do here, but you can't just import things from German football culture into England. It's culture, that means it has to come from within, from groups of people, not just one boss.
Van Gaal has difficulties with differences in culture to, but even he isn't arrogant enough to force his perceptions from his own football culture on the fans. Probably all this Klopp admiration wet to his head.
The Liverpool fans in the stadium seemed to like it well enough though? It's rival fans and pundits who seem to have the problem with it?
Liverpool fans in the stadium liked the Justice for Suarez shirts as well. They're clueless, deluded and best ignored.
The way this league is going, I almost don't blame them.
Or does it come from the top down? I think it comes from the top down. In any other industry, we would say it comes from the top down.
When you have to play all your games in front of them and want them to create an atmosphere that will help your team there might be an exception though?
I understand what the German posters are saying but imagine he does it again after another draw, the fans will lose interest.
He is an eccentric man and like all eccentrics he tires one out quickly. All of a sudden Liverpools premier league record under him is average and he has already refused to shake a manager's hand. The honeymoon is over and I'd like to thank Tony Pulis for bringing Klopp down to beneath his level.
Did they really like it or did they just go along with their beloved manager?
It does and that's why it could backfire.
Liverpool fans maybe deluded but they arent blind. If he tries to celebrate a couple more of such results, i would expect they would get annoyed as well.
Hendo™ Henderson has his say about Embarrassmentgate:
"The crowd kept with us," Henderson told Liverpool’s official website, liverpoolfootballclub™.com. "Even when we were getting beat, they kept us going and we managed to get the equaliser. I thought we were going to drag ourselves over the line for the winner; sadly, we're shit. We’re trying to create that atmosphere here even more so and the fans were rubbish as usual...I mean, brilliant."
Henderson defends Liverpool’s post-match salute:
http://www.football365.com/news/henderson-defends-liverpools-post-match-salute
"The crowd kept with us," Henderson told Liverpool’s official website, liverpoolfootballclub™.com. "Even when we were getting beat, they kept us going and we managed to get the equaliser. I thought we were going to drag ourselves over the line for the winner; sadly, we're shit. We’re trying to create that atmosphere here even more so and the fans were rubbish as usual...I mean, brilliant."
Henderson defends Liverpool’s post-match salute:
http://www.football365.com/news/henderson-defends-liverpools-post-match-salute
Bit cringeworthy wasnt it...Celebrating (or half celebrating) a late goal for a draw is fine I believe, but that whole lineup thing was like 'whaaaa?'
Klopp is an animated character, not just 'humble and friendly' like he's been perceived to be by the media/klopp hipsters. It's a jekyll n hyde personality.
Klopp is an animated character, not just 'humble and friendly' like he's been perceived to be by the media/klopp hipsters. It's a jekyll n hyde personality.
They were just saluting the away fans? Maybe the manner in which Klopp forced them to do it with everyone holding hands was a little over the top but 9 pages of discussion about this ...? Meh.