Klopp and Liverpool celebrating a home draw to WBA (video added to OP)

I have no problem with them celebrating it. We would have celebrated an injury time equalizer against Bournemouth, albeit not to the same extent. It's hard to dislike Klopp. I wish LvG would should a tenth of the amount of passion that Klopp does.
 
Well, it's the Dippers, so mean-spirited derision is the order of the day as far as I'm concerned.
Fair enough.
It gets a bit silly for my taste - hyperbolic, if you will - but I guess that's the way it is

The fact that this kind of show-boating is not, generally speaking, the style in the EPL requires no apology. If it's fine for the German league to have their style - hyperbolic, apparently - then it is fine for us to prefer something a little more low-key.

It's not show-boating though, it's the fans celebrating the team's effort (regardless of the result) and the team celebrating the fans' support (regardless of the result).
But yeah, maybe too little low-key for the tasteful environment of the PL.
 
Not really and the fact that so many people on here view it as such tells me more about the modern English fan culture than about Klopp or Liverpool. This behaviour in Germany would have been an absolute nontopic as this is expected in pretty much every stadium. After every game you go to your support, no matter the outcome. It´s called engaging the fans, showing that the team or at least you as coach cares. It is pretty obvious that this was more about celebrating the crowd for staying and witnessing a late time qualizer than the actual result.

There is a clear lack of connection between his club and the fans, which was shown when several left early before in this season, something that Klopp voiced several times including the presser before the game. He asked them for support and later showed his gratitude for doing so. All he is trying to do is rebuild the severed connection again, to makes them feel like actually suporters and not just costumers. His ability to engage crowds and draw them in was always one of his greatest strengths, one of the reason he was so loved at Dortmund long before he won titles. The guy genuinely cares what his support thinks and acts accordingly to it.

That's fair enough. But surely a clap to the stands would suffice. Holding hands and bowing? That's end of season stuff.
 
He wasn't just saluting the fans. He celebrated alone on the sideline when the game ended.

Didn't you know that who scores the last goal has won the match. Mentality-monsters.

You all have still a lot to learn about Klopp... :cool: :D

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enjoy... :cool:
 
He did this a lot with Dortmund, but I'm not so sure it works at a premier league club, especially Liverpool.

You shouldn't be celebrating a draw or loss unless it's made you win a cup tie or the league, it just seems really odd.
 
If Klopp is trying to bring the players and the fans closer by doing things like this then good on him.

Its certainly something thats lacking at Old Trafford, thats for sure.
 
If you can't be arsed reading the thread (the explanation is back there) then I can't be arsed going over it again.

Oh come on, knock it off.

Your not some enlightened tragic who happens to be the only person in the world that happens to have the slightest clue on German fan culture. Most of us (all of us) know about this tradition.

But lets be honest, he's decided to introduce this as a 'thanks to their fans' for their terrific support in seeing the team come back from dropping 3 points at home to West Brom to dropping 2 points at home to West Brom. It's small time, it's cringe worthy, and the excuses like 'he's just trying to engage with the fans' don't wash.
 
I didn't say it was inspiring. You're an aggressive little one. The LVG out thread is heaving because of a combination of factors over an 18 month period. Not one game.
Aggressive how? You can't praise a manager for doing one thing and the criticise another for doing the exact same thing.
 
Rafateria is pissed, it's probably the fact they failed to take advantage of other teams slip 2 weeks in a row.
 
Oh come on, knock it off.

Your not some enlightened tragic who happens to be the only person in the world that happens to have the slightest clue on German fan culture. Most of us (all of us) know about this tradition.

But lets be honest, he's decided to introduce this as a 'thanks to their fans' for their terrific support in seeing the team come back from dropping 3 points at home to West Brom to dropping 2 points at home to West Brom. It's small time, it's cringe worthy, and the excuses like 'he's just trying to engage with the fans' don't wash.
Aye, what he's doing is taking attention away from the shocking result.
 
Oh come on, knock it off.

Your not some enlightened tragic who happens to be the only person in the world that happens to have the slightest clue on German fan culture. Most of us (all of us) know about this tradition.

But lets be honest, he's decided to introduce this as a 'thanks to their fans' for their terrific support in seeing the team come back from dropping 3 points at home to West Brom to dropping 2 points at home to West Brom. It's small time, it's cringe worthy, and the excuses like 'he's just trying to engage with the fans' don't wash.

It's maybe cringe worthy for you, but he's doing it for Liverpool fans. They seem happy and appreciative with the gesture, so its all good. He doesn't need to present any excuses and whatnot to others.
 
Piss all difference between a 1-2 loss and a 1-3 loss, I'd never criticise for risking conceding another goal on the break, at least you've shown the balls to go for it especially in front of your own fans, won't always work out well but there's a time and a place for slow patient build up play, with a minute or two left that's not the time to do it.
Van Gaal got hammered for leaving us so defensively open against Wolfsburg. Excuses are made for Klopp because he's a likeable chap, in an identical situation if we pushed and nabbed an equaliser deep into injury time against Bournemouth and LVG came on the pitch and did that in front of the fans, do you think he would get the same reaction?
 
It's maybe cringe worthy for you, but he's doing it for Liverpool fans. They seem happy and appreciative with the gesture, so its all good. He doesn't need to present any excuses and whatnot to others.

He could shit in a bag and throw it at the Kop and they'd interpret it as a gesture of how Klopp 'gets' Liverpool.

He's a new manager with a lot of goodwill still, if Rodgers' was the one doing it it would be the Liverpool fans jumping on his back first.

It happens with everyone, if and when the Scousers turn on Klopp they'll point to stuff like this as the proof Klopp doesn't get English football culture.

For the rest of us, its just funny to laugh at him celebrate a home draw with WBA like they've won the Champions League.
 
Aggressive how? You can't praise a manager for doing one thing and the criticise another for doing the exact same thing.
More passive agressive I suppose.

Who am I praising? What am I criticising? How are they the same? If Klopp is having the same difficulties in 18 months that Van Gaal has under the same circumstances then perhaps you will then have something to gripe about.
 
Can't even laugh at liverpool who are still behind us on a united forum without having to listen to precious opinions from more knowledgeable fans about football culture. I mean, if you didn't find it a little over the top, fair enough, go back and get a sense of humour.
 
Van Gaal got hammered for leaving us so defensively open against Wolfsburg. Excuses are made for Klopp because he's a likeable chap, in an identical situation if we pushed and nabbed an equaliser deep into injury time against Bournemouth and LVG came on the pitch and did that in front of the fans, do you think he would get the same reaction?
Van Gaal was criticised for the 5 games that led to us needing to win in Germany. We didn't even push yesterday so the comparison fails right there.
 
Van Gaal got hammered for leaving us so defensively open against Wolfsburg. Excuses are made for Klopp because he's a likeable chap, in an identical situation if we pushed and nabbed an equaliser deep into injury time against Bournemouth and LVG came on the pitch and did that in front of the fans, do you think he would get the same reaction?

Of course not, our relationship with LVG couldn't be further from Klopp's relationship with their fans. There's a reason we booed them off the pitch after West Ham while their crowd clapped them off the pitch today.
 
Fair enough.
It gets a bit silly for my taste - hyperbolic, if you will - but I guess that's the way it is



It's not show-boating though, it's the fans celebrating the team's effort (regardless of the result) and the team celebrating the fans' support (regardless of the result).
But yeah, maybe too little low-key for the tasteful environment of the PL.

If being tasteful means not doing the hokey cokey for drawing with West Brom at home, I can live with that ;)
 
Jheez, how embarassing was that?

Could you imagine if LVG and our players done the same after our draw to WHU last week?

If someone has a gif of that would be much appreciated.


Not meaning to put an end to the usual Scouse pisstake, but isn't that what Dortmund do at the end of every game? win or lose? If he's just trying to build the same kind of rapport with the supporters at Liverpool then fair play to him
 
Not meaning to put an end to the usual Scouse pisstake, but isn't that what Dortmund do at the end of every game? win or lose? If he's just trying to build the same kind of rapport with the supporters at Liverpool then fair play to him

Not just Dortmund, it's pretty common in the Bundesliga.
 
Van Gaal was criticised for the 5 games that led to us needing to win in Germany. We didn't even push yesterday so the comparison fails right there.
I'm not talking about the general undercurrent of Van Gaal's performance, that's absolutely justified, don't confuse that with the critique of the individual performance, they are two very different things. Unfortunately people seem unable to seperate the two.
 
Of course not, our relationship with LVG couldn't be further from Klopp's relationship with their fans. There's a reason we booed them off the pitch after West Ham while their crowd clapped them off the pitch today.
And yet despite that they've managed to make absolutely no ground on us whatsoever, rather pathetic really.
 
Why do I get the sense that the posters taking the moral high ground and defending Klopp in this thread would be the first to tear LVG to shreds if we did the exact same?

I did consider for a second if I was just being biased against the scousers but even imagining United doing it makes me cringe. Or any other club for that matter.
He could shit in a bag and throw it at the Kop and they'd interpret it as a gesture of how Klopp 'gets' Liverpool.

:lol::lol::lol:

Also, whoever suggested about Rodgers doing the same... :D
 
This isn't the Bundesliga. I'm ok with a manager bringing his tactics, but his indigenous league's traditions is a bit weird. I mean, I don't remember Rafa getting the crowd to wave white hankies when he was in charge.

I can't wait for them to do it when they get humped 3-0 at home. See how in tune with the fans he is then.
 
More passive agressive I suppose.

Who am I praising? What am I criticising? How are they the same? If Klopp is having the same difficulties in 18 months that Van Gaal has under the same circumstances then perhaps you will then have something to gripe about.
Thats not my intentions I assure you. lets change it to defend then, it's the same point. Klopp has done absolutely nothing to justify such admiration at Liverpool except being popular.
 
Opposition fans wondering why United fans are laughing at the Liverpool manager and players bowing to their fans after a draw at home to West Brom...

Imagine what Barca fans would think of Benitez leading his team in genuflection after drawing at home to Granada.
 
Such are the times on here, the only entertainment us United fans have is laughing at Liverpool.

Although it is kinda funny.
 
It's really confusing, the state of this thread. You see fans whistling and booing their players and they call it embarrassing, they should support the players no matter what. Now you have a 96 minute equaliser, after fans showed their support and didn't leave early as it happens, players and coach go and salute them. A nice gesture. Yet you get the same comments here.
That is not thanking the fans. Thanking them would be clapping them, as it customary. That is clearly a form of celebration, whereas they should be acting as if it's two points dropped.
 
If being tasteful means not doing the hokey cokey for drawing with West Brom at home, I can live with that ;)
Again, fair enough. But maybe you just can't relate because it's hard to celebrate a late equalizer in a 0-0 draw ;)