Really not agreeing with the the whole “go manage random lower level team for a bit” logic. If you’re good enough you’re good enough. Pep didn’t have to go and manage Sporting Gijón for three years before managing Barcelona.
Kieran McKenna | Close to signing long term deal to stay at Ipswich
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Well he’s already worked with many of those egos so it’s not as much of a concern from my perspective
Not a massive fan of bringing in someone who was part of a failing coaching staff at the club previously. Who already has connections and relationships within the club. I'd rather Ineos started afresh completely.
Agreed. Mckenna probably needs a better first season at Chelsea to keep his job than he would at United, but the Chelsea squad is good enough to get 3rd next year, and let’s assume 4th would comfortably keep his job. United’s ceiling feels more like 5th and it’s say 7th (with normal, plus 15 or so GD) to barely keep his job.
For me, it seems like too much too soon…but perhaps that’s because I’m used to a Manchester United manager being involved in so many aspects. If the idea is that he is the head coach who works on delivering results for the first team only and has experienced people above him in technical roles to deal with the wider club, then maybe it’s not a bad idea.
I do struggle to see him commanding much respect from established footballers at this level (compared to a Poch or a Tuchel) but perhaps his previous United experience as a coach suggests otherwise.
I’m indifferent on it as I was convinced EtH was given assurances after that speech last week, but perhaps it was pure delusion!
I do struggle to see him commanding much respect from established footballers at this level (compared to a Poch or a Tuchel) but perhaps his previous United experience as a coach suggests otherwise.
I’m indifferent on it as I was convinced EtH was given assurances after that speech last week, but perhaps it was pure delusion!
Just can't see him back here again so soon, and can't see him at Chelsea either.
So what type of football are we expecting to see if he comes in.
Havn't watched much of Ipswich to be honest.
Havn't watched much of Ipswich to be honest.
I’d be excited about McKenna. Especially now that we have a good CEO and technical director in place and ineos. McKenna just needs to focus on the coaching while the lads above need to bring 5 or 6 players, and get the signings right.
If we’re dire this time next year just look for someone else.
Thats why you employ a director of football and technical director, to bring in signings to suit a set style. The head coach can be changed but the foundation is still there.
If we’re dire this time next year just look for someone else.
Thats why you employ a director of football and technical director, to bring in signings to suit a set style. The head coach can be changed but the foundation is still there.
Orc is a Chelsea fan.
Unless you get rid of 20+ players and give him a clean slate. What's the point of bringing him in? He couldn't work wonders when he was coach doing most of the training back then so what's going to change now?
With a new set of players it could definitely work but not with this bunch of cowards at United currently
With a new set of players it could definitely work but not with this bunch of cowards at United currently
What's with the co-owner reportedly making the decisions? Surely that will just muddy the waters for Chelsea about what direction they want to go in?
Same here. We sacked him 2 years ago - our fans basically hounded him out!
We’ve gone from passing over potential managers because they’ve never won a trophy, to being in talks with one that’s never managed a premier league game!
Let him go to Brighton and see how he does. If he wants the job now, he’ll still want it in 3-5 years time.
DOuble pivot and good vibes
This is undoubtedly true. The issue is that it is genuinely very difficult to tell if somebody is good enough when their resume is so short. That doesn't mean you don't take the gamble with the right candidate but its definitely a huge roll of the dice.
We absolutely did not sack him
Thanks for that. I would be much happier with his build up tactics, we have been crap at building up through midfield. And the fact that he says it’s similar to Brightons build up is definitely what we should be aiming for.
Quite the opposite, we wanted him to stay. He was very highly rated behind the scenes.
This is really a case of FOMO among United supporters: just because Chelsea (as usual) are sniffing around the fans are getting nervous and want to bring in McKenna, who would actually benefit going to a club like Brighton.
Thanks for speaking for all of us.
Taking United to 8th might have done it in fairness.
Boehly may have become the pubLiv face of this new ownership but he’s actually not the “big boss.” This other guy Ehgbali is apparently the actual, main decision maker and owns a larger percentage of the club than Todd.
I think you'll find he decided to leave to manage Ipswich.
He'd be crazy to take the United job. We're gunna be in a state of flux (at best) for a couple years. His reputation would take a battering during that time and he'd be lucky to survive.
Not a Tuchel fan but feel he'd be a better option for a couple years whilst things bed in behind the scenes (INEOS, new structure etc).
Not a Tuchel fan but feel he'd be a better option for a couple years whilst things bed in behind the scenes (INEOS, new structure etc).
Good thing he's not English then.
Let's change that haha.
English, Irish, managers from the UK, the point still stands anyway
I reckon United are just trying to remain hush hush to avoid a circus before the final. ETH is probably toast already.
Hardly. He'd be coming in at the absolute ideal time.
All time premier league low of 8th meaning even the most optimistic fan has very low expectations. And a new structure being built as we speak.
So if we assume he would want a similar thing, we'll either sign an attacking LB or a regular one and use Dalot up high?
---------------Hojlund------------ (ST)
Garnacho---Bruno------Amad- (Mount, Rashford, Antony)
--------Mainoo---CM---------------- (CM, McTominay)
Shaw--Lisandro-RCB---Dalot (Maguire, LB, AWB)
for example. Seems manageable. 2 expensive starters, one backup CM for cheap that fits what McKenna wants (maybe a Champo CM McKenna likes or young player INEOS rates), whatever striker we can get without breaking the bank, one LB and those seem to cost like 30M if they're young and highly rated but not stars yet.
Soft of screwed up there then haven't they, with leaks coming out now.
Barca was a different league from Barca B for Pep.
Real was a different league from Real Castilla for Zidane.
McKenna has more high pressure experience than both the above when they took on the biggest jobs in football.
What if Pep didn't risk Barca and went to Betis instead?
What if Zidane didn't risk Real and went to Sociedad instead?
You cannot be afraid of risk in football as an ambitious manager. You cannot worry about football fans being worried for you.
I think you'll find the caf fired him, Carrick and Phelan on the same day, Apprentice style.
This is gathering steam now
Doesn't matter what playstyle he has or any manager has. If McTominay is still in the team it shows we haven't changed at all. ETH style looked really good too and yet it's all fallen apart due to the lack of quality in midfield. I do believe if he buys the right CDM and a CM it might just transform us. Otherwise the next manager we'll try their style and the next thing you know. We are doing the same shit playstyle like the last 5 years. Clueless passing with individual brilliance can only get us so far. Well above 9th place.
I really hope it’s true. I want someone capable of something special, and he has already proven he could very well be. It would be exciting.
It looks like it's going to be him. I guess I'm on board.
i think i would have preferred an older head, but if Ashworth, Barrada and Wilcox are doing their jobs properly and McKenna is more about just coaching them to get the best out of them it could work.
i think i would have preferred an older head, but if Ashworth, Barrada and Wilcox are doing their jobs properly and McKenna is more about just coaching them to get the best out of them it could work.
It’s unlikely most of this lot will be here next season.
But his approach at Ipswich seems just what we need. Focus on being hard to beat at first, solidify, then move on being proactive.
The only issue I see is what works at Championship level, doesn’t always work in the prem.
I’m not wild on the thought of McKenna, but I’d be willing to support him if that’s who the new management team go for. As long as it’s not utterly dire, I’ll be willing to give most of the rumoured candidates a go for a couple of years. Not Southgate though.
This guys a nobody, literally worse than Goldbridge
I am sure people thought the leverkusen and arsenal jobs were too soon for alonso and arteta.
We seem to be starting from scratch doing a clear out and a lot of youth coming through. we seem to be setting up a similar system to European clubs where we are looking someone to coach the players that Wilcox and co sign for us.
He has youth on his side and knows our academy inside out. A lot of the bad eggs from his time with ole seem to be leaving or one their way out. It would be appointed that screams out long term rather than quick fix.
I think if he keeps McLaren with him and gets good time around him it could be a
We seem to be starting from scratch doing a clear out and a lot of youth coming through. we seem to be setting up a similar system to European clubs where we are looking someone to coach the players that Wilcox and co sign for us.
He has youth on his side and knows our academy inside out. A lot of the bad eggs from his time with ole seem to be leaving or one their way out. It would be appointed that screams out long term rather than quick fix.
I think if he keeps McLaren with him and gets good time around him it could be a