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Kieran McKenna | Close to signing long term deal to stay at Ipswich
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All I can say is that any manager who comes in now will be doing so knowing that the idiots up top will be very involved. They’ll at least be well prepared for it and wouldn’t accept the job if it was a dealbreaker.
Yep and that's why I'm so surprised Mckenna is interested. No manager should be.
Some folks have this fascination with managers having this carefully curated pathway to "top jobs". There's an unnecessary level of fear towards any manager grabbing an opportunity when it presents itself.
Would you have been happy with Pep going from Barcelona B to Barcelona full? Or would you have expected him to manage Real Betis first?
Would you have been happy with Zidane going from Real Castilla to Real Madrid full? Or would you have expected him to manage Deportivo first?
And yet, McKenna has achieved something far more impressive than what Pep and Zidane had at the time they both took on the biggest jobs in football.
Some of you folks are so terrified for ambitious individuals. The cream rises to the top.
Would you have been happy with Pep going from Barcelona B to Barcelona full? Or would you have expected him to manage Real Betis first?
Would you have been happy with Zidane going from Real Castilla to Real Madrid full? Or would you have expected him to manage Deportivo first?
And yet, McKenna has achieved something far more impressive than what Pep and Zidane had at the time they both took on the biggest jobs in football.
Some of you folks are so terrified for ambitious individuals. The cream rises to the top.
There seems to be this weird belief that no manager can possibly get our highly expensive squad playing well, despite making numerous high value purchases while the Glazers are still involved.
Tactically, he (McKenna) is just a genius,” says Omari Hutchinson, a 20-year-old midfielder who spent this season on loan at Ipswich. “I have improved a lot since I came here. Him, his coaching staff and the other players have all improved me. In the attacking third, he has just told me to be free, to do what I am best at — ‘Go at players, that is why we signed you’.
I know its nitpicking but i found this part funny.
Elite managers don’t think the same way we normies do. They’ll always think that they’ll be the one to succeed no matter how many have failed before them.
McKenna (or any of the other candidates we’re interested) will see the players they’ll have at Chelsea and think “feck me, this is an insane leap from where I was before” and feel they have to jump at the opportunity.
Edit- sorry thought you were a United Fan
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How have ineos proven they’re idiots yet? What did I miss?
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But again, we have done that pretty well even in the post SAF era apart from the disaster years when managers have gotten sacked, yet we haven't even gotten close to titles which is my entire point. Sure we've gotten some 2nd's when other squads have been decimated but we still were never really close to winning. To elevate past "getting top 4 and CL" you have to develop that progressive side that can dominate most teams you play with the ball. Poch has shown enough evidence that he doesn't elevate teams at all at this point past being pretty good. Choosing him as the successor is just settling for a familiar name in my opinion with the chance it goes horribly but without the upside of "this guy could be the next top manager of an elite side".
Yeah it's the same reason we have player pull at United even after being a dumpster fire for the past decade. Players see the history and size of the club and think "I can be a legend there" without realizing that they'll have to receive passes from Scott McTominay and Wan Bissaka
Chelsea is an interesting one. They are stockpiling young talent without a doubt, but there's worrying signs that management will just endlessly muddle and feck it all up before a manager can really shape the squad into an elite side which makes it a scary proposition for anyone apart from established coaches.
The thing is, even if he isn't successful in terms of trophies for Chelsea, as long as the team does decently well his career will be better off than doing decent with Ipswich. He will get other big gigs post Chelsea, if they do even just alright.
Owners aside, they have a squad more suited to his system at present as well. I can see him accepting the post.
I agree the Chelsea squad is very tempting. If either United or Chelsea either get de Zerbi or McKenna, I think both will be in good hands.
Thing about Chelsea job is a manager sees it as low risk since they could lose the job in 6 months and get a big pay day and not seen as a total failure from football. As for United, manager guesses they have more time since a younger new squad is going to be built over the next 2-3 years, McKenna knows the youth and might promise to spend a lot less money.
Name and shame. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
There is always a problem with players that are already highly paid. I mean how do you motivate millionaires?
McKenna has had a great team behind him buying players. That is those who are skilful, hardworking and ambitious. Yes he has used those to great advantage, but it is not all down to him at Ipswich. In the past 2 years I cant remember them bring in any duds. All have bought into the team ethic and are together. You can see that by the numbers of players who all went on holiday together to Las Vagas and Teneriffe after the season ended. This is a team not a collection of individuals as seems to be at Utd.
I think it might be the other way. As a normie, I'd take the Chelsea job because at least you know you have the talent there at every position, really. If McKenna takes the United job it might because he thinks that given a bit of time (say 1.5 seasons at minimum barring insanely poor results, instead of 3 months or whatever the Chelsea realistic minimum is) he will succeed even with less talent.
Genius tactic.
Under Solskjaer, this would be mocked as vibes fc.
I think it’s a huge risk for him at either club. United fans may talk about patience right now but if McKenna had you guys midtable halfway through his first season there would be plenty of talk about the job being too much too soon for him.
But at least for your club the supporters would be fully behind him from day 1. Here at Chelsea he’ll be getting questions the moment he’s announced.
Ten Hag is gone if that meeting actually took place.
He's a risk for either of our clubs, but would most likely be given more time here being a familiar face, and Ineos already having shown incredible restraint to not pull the trigger on ten hag this serason.
Sky shouldn’t be trusted
..uh oh.
No doubt about that. If that meeting took place he will be off. No way back from that.
They actually rate him that highly?
Seems a huge risk to me. Great achievements for Ipswich but Chelsea or United are a different league (literally and figuratively)
Seems a huge risk to me. Great achievements for Ipswich but Chelsea or United are a different league (literally and figuratively)
It is the kind of appointment that if he manages success in 3-4 years there will be lots of excitement that the club can fulfil its potential as the dominant force again. Someone like Tuchel could just feck off somewhere else even if he achieves major success here.
The issue I have is the mess we are right now. I know we’re making changes across the board and we may only be going in one direction because of that, but it will still take a lot of time. Whilst City are around even if everything improved massively over a 2 year period we still may not challenge for the league. How does he those first few years? The spotlight on United is greater than any other club. I can see the “Championship manager” jibes from day 1, and we may get worse before we get better. Fans will inevitably throw someone like this under the bus. The board will have to be 100% confident in him.
The issue I have is the mess we are right now. I know we’re making changes across the board and we may only be going in one direction because of that, but it will still take a lot of time. Whilst City are around even if everything improved massively over a 2 year period we still may not challenge for the league. How does he those first few years? The spotlight on United is greater than any other club. I can see the “Championship manager” jibes from day 1, and we may get worse before we get better. Fans will inevitably throw someone like this under the bus. The board will have to be 100% confident in him.
Who’s to say that isn’t exactly what we’re doing right now?
Have you read the EtH thread?
I'd take a random fan from the megastore over Ten Hag at this point, but McKenna would be an exiting appointment. Swing for the fences
Really think it's the wrong time for him. (I hope I'm wrong) but really think he'd be better served going to a Brighton for 3 or 4 years
really? i thought he was married and had a couple of kids.
McKenna should go to Brighton first. Chelsea will ruin him. We probably will as well. But I also get it if we believe in him and rush into it to beat Chelsea to him. But in that case, we really need to hire him with like a 3 year minimum and license to fail during that time deal, on the basis of turning it around eventually. Even like how Ten Hag is doing now, but ten hag isn't their guy so it's different.
Think he'd be better off taking a step up at Brighton first, but cant lie and say I wouldn't be excited about it.
I'm fairly confident we'll hire him. Hope he gets the support and time/patience needed.
I’m in the feck it why not category. I think 80% of the work we require in the next 2-3 years can be done independent of the manager. The manager has a bit of a multiplier effect on this though.
Sounds heartless and boring to say, but our target should be getting to a stage that we can move on from a manager with relative ease.
Sounds heartless and boring to say, but our target should be getting to a stage that we can move on from a manager with relative ease.
I hope thats what we're telling him in the meeting.
"Go to Brighton for a few years lad, we'll take Tuchel/Poch/Zerbi for now before giving you the job"
Yeah, I'm not sure about this one. He's done a fantastic job at Ipswich but things can change very quickly and I'm not being funny, managers from the UK are not exactly renowned for being the best managers around either.
I do like how he's worked under so many of our previous managers and if you're looking for long term then he's probably a good candidate for that, but it does feel a bit too soon. Will back him if we do go for him though.
I do like how he's worked under so many of our previous managers and if you're looking for long term then he's probably a good candidate for that, but it does feel a bit too soon. Will back him if we do go for him though.
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I'm getting my hopes up. Will Berrada bring our man home again?!