SER19
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I thought our failing superstars decided they were too good for mckenna? And every other coach that's dared to grace the field with them
Not sure about that when Arteta is managing Arsenal, someone with literally zero first team managerial experience prior to that job. We hired Ole who had only Cardiff as top flight experience, Lampard at Chelsea had a season at Derby. I think owners are looking past the older big names now, I guess we’ll see how it shakes out.
It would be better for his career to jump ship straight away to a more established club. But he wont do it.If he brings Ipswich to the PL he isn’t going to walk
Don’t think Chelsea are the type of team to take a gamble on a young up and coming manager and they probably can’t afford to. Can see Chelsea wanting a bigger name. Someone like NagelsmannI understand that he’s young and inexperienced but if someone closely associated with the club is doing an incredible job and that too within English football then he should be considered. Also you never know how things turn out - what he actually is a top manager in the making and Chelsea / Newcastle bag him and turns out they have a better manager than us for the next 4-5 years. He isn’t wedded to us in any shape or form.
Surely a far better option than Amorim, Southgate, De Zerbi or even Nagelsmann. No that I want to move away from ETH but if it happens.
Lets be real. He is below every one of them except Southgate.Surely a far better option than Amorim, Southgate, De Zerbi or even Nagelsmann. No that I want to move away from ETH but if it happens.
It's actually Russian Roulette to jump that soon.It would be better for his career to jump ship straight away to a more established club. But he wont do it.
Should this also not be a warning for the likes of De Zerbi and Amorim?Getting big ego players motivated is a different ball game to getting his ipswitch players motivated.
Should this also not be a warning for the likes of De Zerbi and Amorim?
Surely a far better option than Amorim, Southgate, De Zerbi or even Nagelsmann. No that I want to move away from ETH but if it happens.
I would argue Nagelsmann being sacked was Bayerns mistake but the fact he got very rocky in a much more straight forward league shows how difficult it really is to make a step up.Basically any manager we would be able to hire this season isn't proven at the highest level I don't think.
Nagelsmann failed at Bayern, but probably has the most experience at the top level.
Potter, De Zerbi & Amorim haven't really worked with top players in their careers. You could argue that we don't really have top players any more though.
I would argue that the issue wasn't the step up to a bigger club. Nagelsmann managed both Hoffenheim and Leipzig quite successfully in the same league. Bayern appear to have a huge problem with player power, it looked like both him and Tuchel couldn't make some calls they would like to do due to it. For example now both managers decided to shift Kimmich to RB and out of the CM - Tuchel after he knows he has to go and hinted that he doesn't have to care anymore about feelings etc, because he has to go anyway, and Nagelsmann for the national team.I would argue Nagelsmann being sacked was Bayerns mistake but the fact he got very rocky in a much more straight forward league shows how difficult it really is to make a step up.
Ten Hag was seen as the guy before he came here. This season he looks a shadow of that. It's not really talked about enough, how difficult that transition is.
Thats my point though. The biggest proglem with making a step up is managing player power and player inertia when trying to get a squad to buy into your methods.I would argue that the issue wasn't the step up to a bigger club. Nagelsmann managed both Hoffenheim and Leipzig quite successfully in the same league. Bayern appear to have a huge problem with player power, it looked like both him and Tuchel couldn't make some calls they would like to do due to it. For example now both managers decided to shift Kimmich to RB and out of the CM - Tuchel after he knows he has to go and hinted that he doesn't have to care anymore about feelings etc, because he has to go anyway, and Nagelsmann for the national team.
Not much a manager can do when his higher-ups have the back of (some) players against him. But now everybody who has sacked him was also sacked and it becomes more and more obvious that the squad is at least as much a problem as the manager there.
That's not my point in that regard. A manager has no chance if the CEO backs players over the manager. The size of the club doesn't matter in that case.Thats my point though. The biggest proglem with making a step up is managing player power and player inertia when trying to get a squad to buy into your methods.
It does, because the bigger the club the more likely CEOs favour players over managers. They have much bigger brand and commercial value to a club.That's not my point in that regard. A manager has no chance if the CEO backs players over the manager. The size of the club doesn't matter in that case.
Been having established managers since sir Alex retired hardly been great has itJesus christ, you guys would actually have a Championship manager over more established ones ?
Feckin hell.
So, lets get a rookie.Been having established managers since sir Alex retired hardly been great has it
Xabi A. was the manager of Real Sociedad B before joining Leverkusen, so your argument is not strong. Excelling in the Championship is not easy either.Jesus christ, you guys would actually have a Championship manager over more established ones ?
Feckin hell.
I have my doubts about him too.Xabi A. was the manager of Real Sociedad B before joining Leverkusen, so your argument is not strong. Excelling in the Championship is not easy either.
Xabi A. was the manager of Real Sociedad B before joining Leverkusen, so your argument is not strong. Excelling in the Championship is not easy either.
Lets be real. He is below every one of them except Southgate.
Not that I'd be against him but how would you come to that conclusion? He's a young manager and looks promising. But to say he'd be a better option than Nagelsmann is quite bold to say the least.
I'd certainly take him over Southgate mind.
Did Scott Parker not last season? Or was he there for a few games at the start?Genuine question has a championship manager that’s got his team promoted to the PL ever walked away from it before the start of the season?