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Our midfield lacks both this and that, I'd say. But if I understand LVG at least partly, Fletcher is currently playing the role Carrick would have filled if he hadn't been injured. Khedira doesn't look a natural fit in that role to me.

We're not playing 5-3-2 in any meaningful sense either. We're sporting three defenders - and none of them fill me with huge confidence at the moment. They could use a proper defensive midfielder alongside Herrera to help them out a bit. Looks that way to me, at least. And Khedira doesn't fit that bill. Someone like the dreaded De Jong would actually make more sense to me.
 
Brwned said:
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That's the only role he can play. Alonso plays the holding role for Madrid, Schweinsteiger plays the holding role for Germany while Khedira does his usual thing - run around like a headless chicken and do a little of everything and a lot of nothing. Herrera and Carrick are both a level above him, for me, and there's no real place for him in the squad. We 100% couldn't play him and Herrera together and the only player I could see him partner is Carrick to be honest.

The only way he'd be going for under £10m is if Madrid think he's a crock.
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Nailed it, to be honest.
 
Some people are wildly, wildly overestimating the current quality of our squad.
 
For that price, we should do everything we can to get him here.

I seriously doubt they would sell him for that kind of money though. And if they do, Chelsea or Arsenal will probably snap him up.
 
If he's available for that money buy the Cnut. His wages will be high but we could do something similar like Rooneys deal so his base salary is not actually that high. Although judging by our dithering we will make a bollocks of this aswel.
 
8m for khedira would be the bargain of the summer IMO, but surely real wouldn't lower his price that far? I know they risk losing him on a free but 8m is crazy money
 
Im really surprised we are not in for him. For me he is a fair way ahead of other CM's we are being linked with. He's more like a finished article compare to Blind for example. Potentially his wages are the issue if that is what deterred Arsenal. But we are in a very different boat than Arsenal, with them having a pretty decent midfield in place. (Even though for me he would be the perfect signing for them now)
 
Sure, we don't need Khedira (for that price). We already have our World Class midtfield in place. Can't see how Clevs and Fellaini can be pushed out of the team, or perhaps they already have, by Anderson...
 
We desperately need a number 6, even if we sign Vidal. Khedira is one of the best ones out there...and for £8million.

Our club really frustrates me sometimes. Its like we deliberately makes things hard for ourselves to up the challenge.
 
I'd snap him up for that price and maybe add Strootman later

I think Khedira and Di Maria for about 50 million would represent decent business

Vidal (though a more dynamic player) and Di Maria for 80/90 million would be a crazy crazy outlay

I think both Khedira and Vidal wouldn't make sense with the age of the players - I'd prefer one of them followed by someone in the 19-24 age group
 
Kaos said:
We desperately need a number 6, even if we sign Vidal. Khedira is one of the best ones out there...and for £8million.

Our club really frustrates me sometimes. Its like we deliberately makes things hard for ourselves to up the challenge.
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It has to be money, i mean what else could it realistically be? why are we missing out on all these big players? CL could be a reason, but i'm sure some would be willing to take the risk to join us. And you would think with the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic and Giggs off the wage bill it would free up money for the wages he wants.

I don't think the Glazers understand they have to spend a lot more than they have already on Mata, Fellaini, Shaw and Herrera. I would bet that is the issue at the moment.
 
Kaos said:
We desperately need a number 6, even if we sign Vidal. Khedira is one of the best ones out there...and for £8million.

Our club really frustrates me sometimes. Its like we deliberately makes things hard for ourselves to up the challenge.
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Khedira isn't a #6, assuming you mean a defensive midfielder. He's not one of the best central midfielders out there either.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
Khedira isn't a #6, assuming you mean a defensive midfielder. He's not one of the best central midfielders out there either.
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Still an improvement on the likes of Fletcher, Cleverly and Anderson though.

Our CM options are really poor atm.
 
2mufc0 said:
Still an improvement on the likes of Fletcher, Cleverly and Anderson though.

Our CM options are really poor atm.
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No need to pay inflated wages for an inferior and older midfielder in Herrera's designated role. He's an inferior distributor to all the ones you've mentioned too so I'd be surprised if we were interested. I'd be perfectly fine with not adding him to our ranks.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
No need to pay inflated wages for an inferior and older midfielder in Herrera's designated role. He's an inferior distributor to all the ones you've mentioned too so I'd be surprised if we were interested. I'd be perfectly fine with not adding him to our ranks.
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You would rather have Cleverly, Fletcher or Anderson in midfield?

I think i seen a completely different player to you in the world cup!
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
No need to pay inflated wages for an inferior and older midfielder in Herrera's designated role. He's an inferior distributor to all the ones you've mentioned too so I'd be surprised if we were interested. I'd be perfectly fine with not adding him to our ranks.
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Have you seen our midfield? I don't get why people say we don't need Khedira,he would improve our midfield instantly. If we are not getting Vidal then Khedira would be a very good option for us, besides its not even like beggars can be choosers..
 
kotha said:
Have you seen our midfield? I don't get why people say we don't need Khedira,he would improve our midfield instantly. If we are not getting Vidal then Khedira would be a very good option for us, besides its not even like beggars can be choosers..
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The state of our midfield is exactly why we should be both considerate and ambitious when addressing it's issues. For me, there are a handful of players out there that would see us better short and long term, but Khedira isn't one I think would be a positive investment.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
The state of our midfield is exactly why we should be both considerate and ambitious when addressing it's issues. For me, there are a handful of players out there that would see us better short and long term, but Khedira isn't one I think would be a positive investment.
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Which midfielders according to you are available right now that are complete? While waiting for a complete midfielder our midfield is getting worse,so a signing like khedira especially for the price mentioned in this thread would be a bargain. Even if we get Vidal we need one more midfielder for cover incase of injuries
 
Ish84045 said:
The state of our midfield, we should be all over this deal like a rash. Sometimes we defy logic. At the price being touted, it's a bit of a no brainer.
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Firstly, that price is ficticious unless you have a source, secondly, why would RM seel him for £8m unless there is something medically/personally wrong with him?

And no, a lot of the issues people have with Clev etc, they will have with him, Herrera and Carrick are better midfielders and ideally he'd need to partner one of them, which would kill off our midfield, I would even rather someone like Chieck Tiote than Khedira
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Firstly, that price is ficticious unless you have a source, secondly, why would RM seel him for £8m unless there is something medically/personally wrong with him?

And no, a lot of the issues people have with Clev etc, they will have with him, Herrera and Carrick are better midfielders and ideally he'd need to partner one of them, which would kill off our midfield, I would even rather someone like Chieck Tiote than Khedira
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I think the low fee is because he is in the last year of his contract.

I agree 8m doesn't seem realistic, seeing how Kroos (younger, better player) went for 20m in his last year i would guess Khedeira could probably go for 10-15m.
 
2mufc0 said:
I think the low fee is because he is in the last year of his contract.

I agree 8m doesn't seem realistic, seeing how Kroos (younger, better player) went for 20m in his last year i would guess Khedeira could probably go for 10-15m.
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Do you actually spout random facts or bother looking it up? He signed an extension until 2018 last year.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
Khedira isn't a #6, assuming you mean a defensive midfielder. He's not one of the best central midfielders out there either.
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I would say he's played as a defensive midfielder for Germany, but perhaps i'm wrong.

Sweiny is better going forward when they do play together, soi don't see the sense of Khedira playing the more creative role out of two midfielders in a 4231.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Firstly, that price is ficticious unless you have a source, secondly, why would RM seel him for £8m unless there is something medically/personally wrong with him?

And no, a lot of the issues people have with Clev etc, they will have with him, Herrera and Carrick are better midfielders and ideally he'd need to partner one of them, which would kill off our midfield, I would even rather someone like Chieck Tiote than Khedira
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Ahoy mate! Still watching the Strain?

On topic, I don't agree with that at all. Yeah, the price doesn't sound right at all, though he's got 1 year remaining on his contract. But even if we double that price and we talk about "value" - at £16m Khedira would still be a good signing.

Used in the right role, he'd bring a ton of things were missing - high energy, work rate and physicality. I'm a huge Herrera fan but to outright say both him and Carrick are better then Khedira is a bit OTT. I'm not even a fan of Khedira and I think he has limitations but we have Anderson, Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher as options ffs.

If we can't afford Vidal, Khedira would be a great "poor mans option" as he can do both the DM and box to box role. Picking Tiote above Khedira? Once again, let's just disagree there. (I'd prefer a DM over another box to box mid as well, but we could sign a Tiote/de Jong AND Khedira.). At £150k wage - we'd probably just need to ship Fellaini and Ando and were covered.

edit: just read your contract renewal post :nervous:, thought it was mentioned recently that he's in his final year. Wow.
 
[QUlem iaOTE="kotha, post: 16271152, member: 86323"]Which midfielders according to you are available right now that are complete? While waiting for a complete midfielder our midfield is getting worse,so a signing like khedira especially for the price mentioned in this thread would be a bargain. Even if we get Vidal we need one more midfielder for cover incase of injuries[/QUOTE]

Problem is those at the club may not see it like that. However bad some of them are right now, we do have 6 centre midfielders (and all the wages that come with them) for two positions. There's probably still a pressure on Van Gaal to try and get the best out of Cleverley/Fellaini and a sentimentality over Fletch/Carrick which means buying extra numbers in midfield may not be a priority at all, even if it should. It doesn't help that we'll struggle to offload Ando/Cleverley/Fellaini, so we're stuck with trying to make it work (well, maybe not Ando anymore).
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
Do you actually spout random facts or bother looking it up? He signed an extension until 2018 last year.
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http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sami-khedira/profil/spieler/29401

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/10/sami-...ct-as-he-pushes-for-arsenal-transfer-4793412/

Khedira has just 12 months left on his current Madrid contract so the Champions League winners may be forced to sell now.

Wow some really uptight and snappy people on the forum today, maybe because it's Monday. Chill out it's only a forum, no need to be rude.
 
2mufc0 said:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sami-khedira/profil/spieler/29401

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/10/sami-...ct-as-he-pushes-for-arsenal-transfer-4793412/

Khedira has just 12 months left on his current Madrid contract so the Champions League winners may be forced to sell now.

Wow some really uptight and snappy people on the forum today, maybe because it's Monday. Chill out it's only a forum, no need to be rude.
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Beat me to it.. Was about to post the same.. Almost all articles mention his contract expiring next year.
 
Ish84045 said:
Ahoy mate! Still watching the Strain?

On topic, I don't agree with that at all. Yeah, the price doesn't sound right at all, though he's got 1 year remaining on his contract. But even if we double that price and we talk about "value" - at £16m Khedira would still be a good signing.

Used in the right role, he'd bring a ton of things were missing - high energy, work rate and physicality. I'm a huge Herrera fan but to outright say both him and Carrick are better then Khedira is a bit OTT. I'm not even a fan of Khedira and I think he has limitations but we have Anderson, Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher as options ffs.

If we can't afford Vidal, Khedira would be a great "poor mans option" as he can do both the DM and box to box role. Picking Tiote above Khedira? Once again, let's just disagree there. (I'd prefer a DM over another box to box mid as well, but we could sign a Tiote/de Jong AND Khedira.). At £150k wage - we'd probably just need to ship Fellaini and Ando and were covered.

edit: just read your contract renewal post :nervous:, thought it was mentioned recently that he's in his final year. Wow.
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:lol: I thought it was you I spoke about that with, but I always get you mixed up with an "irish045" or something similar... how you finding it?

I think Carrick and Herrera are better football players and more complete midfielders, I don't rate Khedira and think he will be found out, RM have an abundance of attacking mids, not so many good defensive mids (See Barca and Bayern), yet they are still happy to let him go cheap despite having years on his contract left?

My point about Tiote is the role he plays and his experience in the PL, Khedira isn't the quickest, but does have bundles of energy admittedly but I don't think that's what we are after, we need a bit more control and I don't think he's that, hes a good wildcard, like a cheap man's Luiz if you like those anologies... Vidal does so much more than Khedira, but I don't think we need a "Vidal role" desperately, what we need is some of vidal's calibre, which is rare, hence why I'd still pay over the odds for him, but Khedira for me wouldn't get a game, I'd have it as one of Carrick/ Herrera/ Khed & one of Clev/Fell/Andow/Fletch (New Mid)* hopes
 
kotha said:
Beat me to it.. Was about to post the same.. Almost all articles mention his contract expiring next year.
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Yes lot's of reports he is in his last year, not sure where he got the 2018 extension from, maybe the press are wrong and he reveals his source about this extension.
 
2mufc0 said:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sami-khedira/profil/spieler/29401

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/10/sami-...ct-as-he-pushes-for-arsenal-transfer-4793412/

Khedira has just 12 months left on his current Madrid contract so the Champions League winners may be forced to sell now.

Wow some really uptight and snappy people on the forum today, maybe because it's Monday. Chill out it's only a forum, no need to be rude.
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kotha said:
Beat me to it.. Was about to post the same.. Almost all articles mention his contract expiring next year.
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@2mufc0 Sorry, you'll find a lot do just post without researching and it can be tedious, but I spoke too soon.

http://www.realmadridnews.com/real-madrid-extend-sami-khediras-contract-2018-6053 that's what I have...

Anyone know the best official source for stuff like this?
 
gooDevil said:
I would say he's played as a defensive midfielder for Germany, but perhaps i'm wrong.

Sweiny is better going forward when they do play together, soi don't see the sense of Khedira playing the more creative role out of two midfielders in a 4231.
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Schweini is better at everything than Khedira, but it was always Schweini holding, playing the disciplined role, and Khedira playing an attacking box to box midfield role for Germany. In pretty much all games at the World Cup Khedira was the most advanced midfielder of our midfield three, he usually played further forward than Kroos. Khedira adds a lot great off the ball runs to the team, you want him to move a lot, add energy. It's not that important that creativity from CM is positioned further forward, you need someone to build up from deep anyway, so Schweini deep was the better choice in that combination. Özil/Götze added creativity in and around the final third.
 
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