Champ manager legend...For all we know Stootman might just be another kevin hofland
Kevin Strootman
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Fabregas, the player Barcelona paid £30m for as backup for Xavi?
Mainoldo, I think you're only looking at half the problem. If Carrick gets injured, we really have no cover for him. Having Strootman there would at least give the security of knowing we have another CM who is good defensively. Hence, why a good number of posters here want two midfield signings. You may want a partner for Carrick but you havent addressed the possibility of Strootman being both (Carrick's CM partner, back up if necessary). If we buy someone like Thiago, starting Carrick with Strootman isn't much of a necessity unless we choose to implement a 3 man midfield. Nonetheless, I'd rather have someone like Strootman in our squad because if Carrick gets injured, our midfield is considerably weaker.
Won't McCarthy be a better choice?
He'll come under the home grown category, has a lot of experience in the league, will be cheaper than £17m and is the same age.
I have never seen Strootman, not even in youtube videos, but from the comments on here he doesn't sound any better than McCarthy. Why go to Eindhoven when we can find something similar next door at Wigan.
He'll come under the home grown category, has a lot of experience in the league, will be cheaper than £17m and is the same age.
I have never seen Strootman, not even in youtube videos, but from the comments on here he doesn't sound any better than McCarthy. Why go to Eindhoven when we can find something similar next door at Wigan.
I'm totally put off from signing him by the fact that you haven't seen him play much.
He wasn't directly poor yesterday but he twice got turned easily and left for dead and on several occasions he struggled to keep pace with German runners.
Considering he never fills in for him. Then no.
Regardless of role, I saw no evidence that he's a quality footballer. People said he was ordinary, and he looked ordinary. That's enough to justify a provisional verdict that he is ordinary.
Strootman's signing will indicate whether Moyes is willing to move on from the rigid 4-4-2 that United tended to play under Fergie. He won't work in a midfield 3 that includes Carrick as they both lack mobility. In fact I wouldn't like them next to each other in a 442 for the same reasons. If we were to play Strootman alongside Carrick it would have to be in a 4231 formation as shown below.
---------------RVP
Kagawa-----Rooney-----Valencia
------Carrick-----Strootman
---------------RVP
Kagawa-----Rooney-----Valencia
------Carrick-----Strootman
Strootman is a fair bit quicker then Carrick. A lot stronger too.
A bit like Shin said.. Why not jus get James McCarthy. I just don't see the point in buying Strootman to have him on the bench
I think Strootman would be a good addition to our squad and in today's market 15m almost seems like a bargain for a player like him.
Yeah, I'm not saying that he's a complete lumberhouse (not that Carrick is either) but I wouldn't fancy relying on Strootman to make the runs up the pitch as the traditional ball carrier in a 433.
Because James McCarthy operates a different role to Strootman? McCarthy would be a similar signing as Thiago, used to bridge the gap between attack and defense, following the play up the field. Strootman would be like a Carrick role, sitting and operating near the half way line on attacks, and following the play right back to the penalty area when defending. You're logic of "there's no point buying players to have them on the bench" is ridiculous. Last season it was evident that Chelsea's lack of depth (as well as managerial changes) meant that the didn't have the ability to challenge on all fronts and as a result their title push faded rapidly. In fact, why bother having a back up goalkeeper at all, considering only one of them can be on the field at a time?
Oh. Looks like we're signing strootman after all. Someone just referenced that David Johnson bloke on Twitter. He's somewhat reliable right?
Carrick Strootman
Valencia Rooney Kagawa
Would be our equivalent to the current best midfield in the world, Bayern Munich's.
Assuming Moyes doesn't rotate right? I'm sure he just won't sit on the bench.
Rooney is the only player that would make the Bayern squad. He wouldn't be nailed on as they have Müller and Kroos who grew up into that side. Also their midfield works much better coherently as a unit.
Didn't say that midfield would bring the same quality as Bayern's. Regardless, being that Bayern's midfield is currently the strongest in Europe, it is something we should look to emulate.
Equivalent means 'same as' or 'equal to'. I don't see how this midfield is anymore equivalent to Bayern's as the one that we've been using so far. Strootman isn't even an upgrade for all I know.
Our equivalent.
Like I said, how's it any different with Strootman there or not? I just didn't get your point as it's the same lineup we most often use.
With this new alert stuff you answer quoted posts much faster. Really keeps the conversation on pace. I used to forget posts I made all the time and just drop out of topics.
Bayern's is a midfield we should look to emulate, in my opinion.
The central presence of Carrick and Strootman, although not on the same level as
Schweinsteiger and Martínez, could operate on a similar level.
If we were to completely emulate their midfield we'd need at least three signings, I reckon.
Yeah, but he's off.
Aye. McCarthy does exactly what Carrick does receive the ball from the back and distribute it on. You need to watch him again.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the top teams try to sign Mulumbu or Yacob from West Brom this summer. Both had an excellent season.
I think we will sign Strootman and one more.
I think we will sign Strootman and one more.
Depends on the direction Moyes takes us. Ferguson heavily favoured traditional wingers, the majority of top managers don't nowadays.
Doesn't Moyes use fullbacks as width a fair bit and have the two 'wingers' push in? Could see Kagawa play that role on one side.
Last season, he relied on his full backs to provide width. He used Pienaar and Mirallas as false wingers.
But I haven't given the opinion that he played well (I'll give you my opinion now if you really want it). I didn't even mention his actual performance, just that he was given a role by the manager and that's the role he played. I'd say he did a goodish job, nothing great, nothing bad. Just somewhere in the middle last night. You can't judge any player based on one game though and certainly not when they're solely given a role that isn't overly flashy and is tough to really judge said player on the basis of one game alone.
I've watched him quite a bit. I found it ridiculous that the same old shit happens in the transfer market season. We get linked with a player and people watch either a youtube clip and say they're incredible or they watch them in one game and say they're shit. It's embarrassing mate.
From what I've watched over the last couple of years, for the right price he could be a quality signing. Nothing is guaranteed, but for me more things point to him being a successful signing rather than a flop. Also think he's the type of player that provides the right balance in the middle.
I'll explain more why too. For me we should be playing Kagawa in an attacking midfield position, in behind either one or two strikers, based on the formation we're playing. With Kagawa in that position, we should play two midfielders in behind him. For me Carrick and Strootman in behind Kagawa could actually provide a brilliant balance to our midfield. Strootman also has good enough strength and I'd expect him to adapt fine to the PL.
He's not a sensation yet, but he's a young guy who for me is already a bloody good player who could improve leaps and bounds under a club like ours. And for me the most important thing is finding a balance in the midfield, which is something we've lacked so much at times. From what I've seen, Strootman could fit in alongside Carrick or even fill in for Carrick and fit in fine alongside the likes of Cleverley and co.
I've no problem with anybody disagreeing with me, but it's a different matter when it's based on watching him play one game or hearing the opinion of a dutch pundit. That'd be like taking the word of fecking Alan Hansen or Shearer or judging the likes of Hernandez, Carrick or so on based on one game.
Sounds like if he keeps the same system Rafael and Evra will be going forward a fair bit more. Rooney may have to do his job a false winger/inside forward again as well as Kagawa.
Very much agree with all points. I said before that Strootman isn't exactly a pure DM, but more of a (defensive) CM. Maybe to excite some people, I' say he's in the Albertini mold.
We haven't played like that consistently in years though. We pretty much always play a 4-2-3-1 these days, with Rooney/Kagawa playing as an attacking midfielder.
I'd imagine we'll be playing a similar system under Moyes.
Holy shit, I am excited now!! I loves me a bit of Albertini!
Lool. Albertini or Ambrosini? Because how you described Strootman is not how Albertini played (AC Milan, Atletico Madrid?).
For all we know Stootman might just be another kevin hofland
man, kevin hofland. a definite signing playing CM 2001/02.
For all we know Stootman might just be another kevin hofland
jesus wept
At Milan, Albertini isn't exactly a pure DM, or a pure playmaker either. He offers a bit more on defending, a bit of playmaking, and a bit of attacking. He's not even an excellent tackler or passer; or a high energy box to box ala Davids or Keano. He's more of a link up player who tactically astute. That's why people don't rank Albertini high on any of the categories of All Time Best player, despite being an integral part of a legendary team.
Strootman like Albertini. Now I've heard it all. Albertini was a supreme passer.
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