Kevin De Bruyne

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Blackwidow said:
The problem is that when Bayern does not buy the rest of the big fish in Europe buy. At the end it does not change anything. Bayern can buy a similar player from elsewhere - whereas the player from the competitors goes abroad...
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Of course it changes things. Let's use De Bruyne as an example. If Wolfsburg lose him to Bayern not only have they lost by far their best player, but they will have also strengthened the club they are supposed to be competing with. Of course we know that they can't compete with Bayern, so it's not really case of selling to a competitor, but that sort of reinforces my points.

Bayern don't really have competitors, just a series of feeder clubs who are subservient and would need minor miracles or a catastrophic Bayern decline to win the league.
 
Seems like every thread I've read today (not a lot admittedly), is derailed by some off topic BS.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Of course it changes things. Let's use De Bruyne as an example. If Wolfsburg lose him to Bayern not only have they lost by far their best player, but they will have also strengthened the club they are supposed to be competing with. Of course we know that they can't compete with Bayern, so it's not really case of selling to a competitor, but that sort of reinforces my points.

Bayern don't really have competitors, just a series of feeder clubs who are subservient and would need minor miracles or a catastrophic Bayern decline to win the league.
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Have you ever looked into Bayern's squad and where they came from...
 
Blackwidow said:
Have you ever looked into Bayern's squad and where they came from...
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Yes. Have you?

It's not exactly shocking news that Bayern consistently sign their domestic rivals' best players I hope? A recap on some of the more high profile: http://sports.terra.com/soccer/baye...b9793308d0d73410VgnVCM20000099cceb0aRCRD.html

In fairness to Klopp and BVB they tried to stand up to this and avoided selling to Bayern for a few years, which was admirable but ultimately futile. Bayern cleverly waited for Lewandowski's contract to expire (no doubt having sweetened him up) and forced Dortmund's hand on Gotze's by splurging on the release clause, thereby killing the fresh green shoots of rivalry before they could flower.

Absolutely fantastic for Bayern and you don't go into the season as 1/20 favourites by adopting an alternative strategy. I just don't think it's good for the league. If you disagree, fine.
 
None of them was from a rival - look at the table at the time they were bought...

You can even doubt if Dortmund was a rival at the time when Bayern has been 25 and 19 points ahead the season before and Götze and Lewandowsky weren't bought but were free to take because of release clauses or running out contracts.

So Bayern ain't supposed to sign anybody else from the league?
Does United buy all their targets from outside of the UK?

If I choose a top seventeen! for this season it would be like this...

Neuer (Schalke)
Benatia (AS Roma) - Boateng (Manchester City) - Badstuber (Bayern) - Martinez (Bilbao) - Bernat (Valencia) - Rafinha (Genova)
Lahm (Bayern) - Alonso (Real Madrid) - Vidal (Torino) - Thiago (Barcelona) - Alaba (Bayern)
Robben (Real Madrid) - Müller (Bayern) - Ribery (Olympique Marseille) - Lewandowsky(Dortmund) - Costa (Shaktar)

When all are healthy only Neuer and Lewy and one of the reserve goalkeepers would be in the match day squad who came from Bundesliga teams... (no Götze as his performance in the last 2 years was not near to any of the other four "old ones" - and Costa is a lot better on the wing)

Bayern right now has more problems to find players in the league that improve their team or the bench - and the recent purchases in the league were young prospects.
 
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Blackwidow said:
None of them was from a rival - look at the table at the time they were bought...

You can even doubt if Dortmund was a rival at the time when Bayern has been 25 and 19 points ahead the season before and Götze and Lewandowsky weren't bought but were free to take because of release clauses or running out contracts.

So Bayern ain't supposed to sign anybody else from the league?
Does United buy all their targets from outside of the UK?

If I choose a top seventeen! for this season it would be like this...

Neuer (Schalke)
Benatia (AS Roma) - Boateng (Manchester City) - Badstuber (Bayern) - Martinez (Bilbao) - Bernat (Valencia) - Rafinha (Genova)
Lahm (Bayern) - Alonso (Real Madrid) - Vidal (Torino) - Thiago (Barcelona) - Alaba (Bayern)
Robben (Real Madrid) - Müller (Bayern) - Ribery (Olympique Marseille) - Lewandowsky(Dortmund) - Costa (Shaktar)

When all are healthy only Neuer and Lewy and one of the reserve goalkeepers would be in the match day squad who came from Bundesliga teams... (no Götze as his performance in the last 2 years was not near to any of the other four "old ones" - and Costa is a lot better on the wing)

Bayern right now has more problems to find players in the league that improve their team or the bench - and the recent purchases in the league were young prospects.
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I quite like the logic that because the teams finished so many points behind you they can't be considered a rival! Perhaps if you'd read my posts properly you'd see that's my point! Dortmund aren't really a rival of Bayern. No one is. You effectively have no rivals. So you are of course correct.

The Gotze point is a good one too. He was Dortmund's lynchpin, their crowd jewels. Yet he wouldn't even make the 17 in your Bayern team! A classic example of how you've deprived Dortmund of one of their best players only for him to effectively be a reserve player at Bayern.

United sign players from the UK, but virtually never from rivals unless they are willing sellers. If we could've gone out this summer and signed Hazard, Sanchez and Aguero, then we wouldn't even be talking about a title race. Not only would we have substantially strengthened our own team but we would've crippled our rivals.

Thankfully that doesn't happen. Our rivals can't sign our players and we can't sign theirs.
 
Sorry for off topic but this an interesting discussion and could apply to La Liga and PL too.

First of all I'm not German so I don't have your inside knowledge about Bundesliga but from an outside perspective it looks like Bayern has to big financial advantage over the other German clubs. BM is basically the German version of Real and Barca. You buy what you want. In the long run its not healthy for the competitiveness of the league and also reduce that attraction of watching the Bundesliga. Right know there are no other clubs who are close to challenging.

In the PL we saw City buying Sterling and Delphs. Chelsea and United are interested in Stone and Liverpool bought Benteke. It's normal that bigger clubs buy from the smaller one's but the advantage the PL has is that there are at least 4-5 clubs with the financial muscles to attract good domestic players.

The problem for the Bundesliga is that Bayern also buy the foreign players. You mention Benatia, Boating, Martinez, Alanso, Vidal, Thiagi, Robben and Ribery. No other German club is close to have so much financial muscles to buy quality outside your own league.

Thats the real problem for Bundesliga in my opinion.
 
Bayern don't even have any rivals domestically really. They are that dominant financially to the others.
 
You guys really forget one very important thing when you are talking about Bayern weakening their rivals in the Bundesliga.

Where would Götze and Lewandowski play now if Bayern wouldn't bought them? Lewandowski pretty sure in Madrid. Götze probably in England. So BVB would still be weakened while Bayern would have bought other players then.

And for De Bruyne: If Bayern doesn't buy him, City or someone else will. So where is the difference??

It isn't that bad to have Götze and Lewandowski still playing in the Bundesliga. Could say the same for De Bruyne as no other club in Germany would be able to buy him.
 
NoLogo said:
We would be mad if we didn't at least try to get this lad. Would definitely a huge step up over Young, hell he would be our best attacking midfielder and is still a fairly young lad.
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He would be perfect in the AMC role switching with Mata from time to time, and Depay coming from left. He would also be our new ginger prince!
 
Adam-Utd said:
He would be perfect in the AMC role switching with Mata from time to time, and Depay coming from left. He would also be our new ginger prince!
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Definitely. Let him start in the middle and interchange with Mata, cutting in and de Bruyne going wide or just going through the center and Mata using the space he opens up in the center. I think he would be an amazing addition to our squad. If we then upgrade on Young with Pedro we would have some amazing quality and depth in our attacking midfield.
 
Sell ADM, buy De Bruyne. My muppet fantasy signing for this season :devil:

Alas, not gonna happen :(
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Thought is was nearly a done deal he is going to City ?
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We can't let Chelsea and City keep snatching up the stand out players that aren't at big clubs already and expect to win anything. With Memphis we already did the right thing and acted fast when got wind of him having other options. The same attitude has to apply to a player like de Bruyne.
 
Everest Red said:
Looks really good. Didn't chelsea sell him b/c he was gash.
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A culmination of lack of game time, issues between he and Mourinho, and not being diligent enough defensively when he did play for Mourinho.
 
DWelbz19 said:
A culmination of lack of game time, issues between he and Mourinho, and not being diligent enough defensively when he did play for Mourinho.
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Did he do well at Wolfburg, he has insane numbers. He also did well in the WC(unfortunately at expense of the US)
 
DWelbz19 said:
A culmination of lack of game time, issues between he and Mourinho, and not being diligent enough defensively when he did play for Mourinho.
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Well it was practically the same like with Mata. Mourinho wants every player on the field to put in a defensive shit over the entire game which neither Mata nor de Bruyne are the types of players for.
 
If there is even a minute chance of us hijacking this deal from City still, we should do it. Invest all di Maria money and some more on KdB. Will be worth it. What's more, our net spend will still be less than 100M. What better way to start Adidas era than a marquee signing :)
 
Now I could be wrong with this so don't savage me, but isn't he supposed to be lazy in training, and not that interested in fighting for his place in a team?

If this is the case then he isn't going to get on too well with our Louis.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Now I could be wrong with this so don't savage me, but isn't he supposed to be lazy in training, and not that interested in fighting for his place in a team?

If this is the case then he isn't going to get on too well with our Louis.
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Not really. As @NoLogo says, his scenario at Chelsea was a lot like Mata's. He's had no problems at Wolfsburg and I don't think he had any on loan at Bremen.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Not really. As @NoLogo says, his scenario at Chelsea was a lot like Mata's. He's had no problems at Wolfsburg and I don't think he had any on loan at Bremen.
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Never heard he was lazy but he made it clear to Mourinho that either he gets a shot at a first team place that season or he wants to leave and Mou didn't think he was ready and it's not like you get much rotation options at Chelsea either.
 
the hea said:
Motm today against Bayern, if woody wants to make a galactico signing this summer this is the guy.
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Can someone explain to me how KdB is a galactico signing after just one great season with Wolfsburg?

Should we sign Bas Dost for 50m as well for having one great season?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Can someone explain to me how KdB is a galactico signing after just one great season with Wolfsburg?

Should we sign Bas Dost for 50m as well for having one great season?
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He was already very good for Bremen too and more often than not Belgiums best player.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Can someone explain to me how KdB is a galactico signing after just one great season with Wolfsburg?

Should we sign Bas Dost for 50m as well for having one great season?
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DeBruyne actually had a good season on loan at Bremen the season before too, not as good as this of course.
Hes not a Galatico but we should sign him, as he is on target to be the next big thing. There is also Griezman.

Interesting we want pace though, Pedro and Lacazette would be decent. I would take DeBruyne in a heartbeat though, goals and creativity and a bit of pace too.
 
The guy would instantly be our best attacking player if we signed him.
 
Pyroblazer said:
He was already very good for Bremen too and more often than not Belgiums best player.
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After the season at Bremen he sat on the bench for Chelsea for 1/2 a season and I don't think he was that special for the other half of the season at Wolfsburg.

Besides, isn't he primarily #10? I don't think he's better than Mata, so what will be the sole purpose of having him and spending 50m on a position that we wouldn't improve?
 
De Bruyne is a cracking player, but isn't he like Mata? A technical 10 who can play out wide, but doesn't really have the pace of a winger. I think we really lack speed up front with Di Maria leaving, not sure if de Bruyne will be ideal for us. Normally van Gaal isn't a fan of a false wingers either and I don't think we need him at 10.
 
NL Max said:
De Bruyne is a cracking player, but isn't he like Mata? A technical 10 who can play out wide, but doesn't really have the pace of a winger. I think we really lack speed up front with Di Maria leaving, not sure if de Bruyne will be ideal for us. Normally van Gaal isn't a fan of a false wingers either and I don't think we need him at 10.
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Rather him at 10 than Memphis, Memphis back to left wing and De Bruyne at 10, yes please.
 
Enigma_87 said:
After the season at Bremen he sat on the bench for Chelsea for 1/2 a season and I don't think he was that special for the other half of the season at Wolfsburg.

Besides, isn't he primarily #10? I don't think he's better than Mata, so what will be the sole purpose of having him and spending 50m on a position that we wouldn't improve?
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That's why he won player of the year... He is a different player than Mata. Faster, runs more at the opponent. He plays his best games for Belgium at the right flank. Lots of people really seem to think he is some slow #10, he's a lot more than that.

http://eatmygoal.tv/2015/01/30/kevi...urning-dante-hammering-home-vs-bayern-munich/
 
Insanity said:
Enough number '10's' already.
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When we're playing a winger there currently? Fellaini and Memphis aren't good enough there, I can only assume Mata is too slow and physically weak for van Gaal there [whilst having nowhere near the creativity of De Bruyne] and lord knows why he doesn't fancy Ander there.
 
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