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Kraftwerker said:
The lady doth protest too much.

Funny thread this. Not only are the bookmakers completely wrong, but so are Deloitte, one of the most respected financial services institutions in the world.
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I trust the Budesliga when it comes to the revenue of the Bundesliga. ;)
The difference between the leagues overall wasnt that big in the last years, thats just the truth.
We have to see how the Bundesliga deals with that PL tv push but if you give us big money for some Bundesliga players like Firminho we will be fine.
I end this discussion with the fact I repeated here again and again. The Bundesliga is a company worth billions. Stop acting like its the 2nd division of Austria.
The humble pie wouldnt taste so bad this season like the last years.
 
UweBein said:
Isn't that a pretty good investment in the days of low interests?
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Extremely good. 12% return on investment. We have a 10% tax on winnings plus stake in Poland so I'd only be looking at 2% which I can get in a bank easily without freezing my money for 9 months. I could put the money on betfair but then comes exchange rate, I could potentially lose more than I win. If I had a way of putting £10k on it I probably would.
 
anchan1989 said:
I trust the Budesliga when it comes to the revenue of the Bundesliga. ;)
The difference between the leagues overall wasnt that big in the last years, thats just the truth.
We have to see how the Bundesliga deals with that PL tv push
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It was about €2bn last season between the two leagues, it's quite a big difference.
 
city have more pull than bayern ?

the same bayern that have robbed of us targets ?
 
City have become a big club in the last ten years. They have the ability to sign top players.

They didn't do anything particularly savvy. It's a simplementation strategy:

Be a PL team (exposure)
Spend shit tons of money on players
Win a few things

This has built them a large global fan base.
 
KingMinger22 said:
City have become a big club in the last ten years. They have the ability to sign top players.

They didn't do anything particularly savvy. It's a simplementation strategy:

Be a PL team (exposure)
Spend shit tons of money on players
Win a few things

This has built them a large global fan base.
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wait. what?
 
Nanook said:
It was about €2bn last season between the two leagues, it's quite a big difference.
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Haha, no it was not. The Bundesliga is above 2,5 billion. The PL above 3,5. If we keep in mind that the PL has 20 clubs and the Bundesliga 18, the margin gets even smaller for the single clubs.

cyberman said:
It's ok, they sold Firmino
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Hey guys. Have fun. I dont mind that. If you dont understand the free market and the money flow among the leagues, fine. :D

The PL use of its money(since the early 2000s considerable bigger then that of the Bundesliga) has been pathetic at best for years now. And you dont learn anything.
Spending among each other and throwing money at average foreign players wont help one bit. But hey, dream on and give us time to catch up.
That the Bundesliga has 2 CL titles since 2000 and the PL 3 is still the best joke I can think of. ;)
 
anchan1989 said:
Haha, no it was not. The Bundesliga is above 2,5 billion. The PL above 3,5. If we keep in mind that the PL has 20 clubs and the Bundesliga 18, the margin gets even smaller for the single clubs.
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It was £3.26bn last season so using a fairer exchange rate it's €4.3bn, so €1.8bn more than the Bundesliga. It will be about €5.3bn in 2016/2017.
 
anchan1989 said:
Haha, no it was not. The Bundesliga is above 2,5 billion. The PL above 3,5. If we keep in mind that the PL has 20 clubs and the Bundesliga 18, the margin gets even smaller for the single clubs.



Hey guys. Have fun. I dont mind that. If you dont understand the free market and the money flow among the leagues, fine. :D

The PL use of its money(since the early 2000s considerable bigger then that of the Bundesliga) has been pathetic at best for years now. And you dont learn anything.
Spending among each other and throwing money at average foreign players wont help one bit. But hey, dream on and give us time to catch up.
That the Bundesliga has 2 CL titles since 2000 and the PL 3 is still the best joke I can think of. ;)
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And Solskjaer has won it! :lol:

That was evil. Pure evil.
 
anchan1989 said:
Haha, no it was not. The Bundesliga is above 2,5 billion. The PL above 3,5. If we keep in mind that the PL has 20 clubs and the Bundesliga 18, the margin gets even smaller for the single clubs.



Hey guys. Have fun. I dont mind that. If you dont understand the free market and the money flow among the leagues, fine. :D

The PL use of its money(since the early 2000s considerable bigger then that of the Bundesliga) has been pathetic at best for years now. And you dont learn anything.
Spending among each other and throwing money at average foreign players wont help one bit. But hey, dream on and give us time to catch up.
That the Bundesliga has 2 CL titles since 2000 and the PL 3 is still the best joke I can think of. ;)
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Seeing as you struggle with the financials, I'll give you an easier question to answer. And it's pretty relevant to this thread.

Do you think Bayern's transfer policy of systematically weakening any potential Bundesliga rival by signing all their best talent is a healthy policy?

I mean sure, it pretty much guarantees that you'll win the league unopposed, but it's not really good for the league is it?

When you see recently how Bayern's performances towards the end of the season fall off a cliff due to a non-competitive league, do you ever wish you pursued a transfer strategy which wasn't so damaging to your league 'rivals'?
 
He looks an almost player to me, can't see him ever elevating himself to a match winner like Hazard
 
The talent is definitely there and at one point I thought he'd be the perfect replacement if Di Maria were to leave. However, after Mourinho's recent comments regarding De Bruyne's need for a certain type of 'security' in his starting place on top of the fact that he did not want to fight for it; puts me off the transfer completely. We don't need another player with no spine, but I think it's safe to say LVG wouldnt even consider the transfer if he had concerns of that regard. He's repeated and proven many times no one's position is safe. (Except for Rooney who somehow manages to get away with poor performances more so than pretty much any other player in world football, playing for a top side. Maybe excluding bale last season ?*cough* Perez *cough*. Surely there's a clause on his contract or something? Then theres Herrera, who after putting in good performances 9/10 still gets overlooked. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread. )

In other words, I don't think he should be a potential replacement for Di Maria, unless we want to replace one weak character with another of lesser current ability
 
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santeria13 said:
The talent is definitely there and at one point I thought he'd be the perfect replacement if Di Maria were to leave. However, after Mourinho's recent comments regarding De Bruyne's need for a certain type of 'security' in his starting place on top of the fact that he did not want to fight for it; puts me off the transfer completely. We don't need another player with no spine, but I think it's safe to say LVG wouldnt even consider the transfer if he had concerns of that regard. He's repeated and proven many times no one's position is safe. (Except for Rooney who somehow manages to get away with poor performances more so than pretty much any other player in world football, playing for a top side. Maybe excluding bale last season ?*cough* Perez *cough*. Surely there's a clause on his contract or something? Then theres Herrera, who after putting in good performances 9/10 still gets overlooked. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread. )

In other words, I don't think he should be a potential replacement for Di Maria, unless we want to replace one weak character with another of lesser current ability
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Mourinho isn't going to come out and say he made a mistake letting him go is he? And given he can't deny his talent he can only criticise his character to justify his decision to let a top class 23 year old leave the club. If he's as weak as Mourinho suggests then he won't bother leaving Wolfsburg where he's now first name on the team sheet will he.
 
Manchester Dan said:
Mourinho isn't going to come out and say he made a mistake letting him go is he? And given he can't deny his talent he can only criticise his character to justify his decision to let a top class 23 year old leave the club. If he's as weak as Mourinho suggests then he won't bother leaving Wolfsburg where he's now first name on the team sheet will he.
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No - Mourinho would not. But - if you know that he is a hot head and is special in some things - even gets frustrated easily - he might not be far off the mark with his comments. He has a special environment in Wolfsburg right now where he is the main man on the pitch without being in question - and with a team with a lot level headed players that know how to take him - and with a coach who is more the father type.

But Hecking has often told that he is not an easy character...
 
anchan1989 said:
And I cant wait for that exciting title race. It was promised me before 2012/13, 13/14 and last season. After the law of chance we really should get one this time.
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In fairness, the 2013/14 title race was fascinating viewing for most people.

I don't know why you're being so sarcastic in all these posts though.
 
Manchester Dan said:
Mourinho isn't going to come out and say he made a mistake letting him go is he? And given he can't deny his talent he can only criticise his character to justify his decision to let a top class 23 year old leave the club.
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Worth bearing in mind that Jose was the one who decided to bring him back from loans to play in the first team squad that season. De Bruyne was the one who wanted to leave. At the time there were various rumours about his attitude, and IIRC a fair few pictures on social media of him out with his mates while also not impressing much in training. Obviously we'll never know for sure what happened, but it seems a bit nonsensical that Mourinho would let go of a fabulous player for no reason.
 
Kentonio said:
Worth bearing in mind that Jose was the one who decided to bring him back from loans to play in the first team squad that season. De Bruyne was the one who wanted to leave. At the time there were various rumours about his attitude, and IIRC a fair few pictures on social media of him out with his mates while also not impressing much in training. Obviously we'll never know for sure what happened, but it seems a bit nonsensical that Mourinho would let go of a fabulous player for no reason.
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Nothing to do with Mourinho never giving youth a chance then?
 
He certainly seems a player that must be treated well and cuddled regularly to keep happy. Doesn't seem like he enjoys training either, which to some coaches Is very important.

If you can keep him happy and get the best out of him he's a very good playmaker, I would definitely like him in our team.
 
WengersWingMan said:
Nothing to do with Mourinho never giving youth a chance then?
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He's not youth in that sense though, as in trained up from academy level. He was in the same bracket as the likes of Courtois, Zouma, Lukaku etc, highly rated young players bought in for quite high fees and expected to be in the first team squad within a couple of seasons.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He certainly seems a player that must be treated well and cuddled regularly to keep happy. Doesn't seem like he enjoys training either, which to some coaches Is very important.

If you can keep him happy and get the best out of him he's a very good playmaker, I would definitely like him in our team.
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So nothing for us under LvG.
 
Kentonio said:
He's not youth in that sense though, as in trained up from academy level. He was in the same bracket as the likes of Courtois, Zouma, Lukaku etc, highly rated young players bought in for quite high fees and expected to be in the first team squad within a couple of seasons.
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Let's be honest, Josè never keeps anyone who might be a liability in any sense. The 22 year old kid ain't developed enough yet? Get rid. Schurrle doesn't quite fit the system? Get rid. It's been that way his entire career because he's had the money to do it so can't hold it against him.. but it's not unusual to suggest that he got rid of De Bruyne because he wasn't good enough at that particular moment. Mourinho has never had the patience to wait and you certainly won't be playing any youth players in meaningful competitive fixtures with him in charge.
 
anchan1989 said:
Haha, no it was not. The Bundesliga is above 2,5 billion. The PL above 3,5. If we keep in mind that the PL has 20 clubs and the Bundesliga 18, the margin gets even smaller for the single clubs.
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"Record revenues for the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 clubs, large-scale continuity for the television viewing audience and fresh opportunities on the internet: The League Association will secure a total income of some 2.5 billion euro for the four league seasons 2013-14 through to 2016-17 from the marketing of domestic coverage rights - equivalent to around 628 million euro per year.

That represents an increase of approximately 52 percent on the current annual average revenues of 412 million euro"

Source - http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/dfl_record_revenues.htm

Is this the 2.5 billion figure you're using?
 
The Purist said:
Let's be honest, Josè never keeps anyone who might be a liability in any sense. The 22 year old kid ain't developed enough yet? Get rid. Schurrle doesn't quite fit the system? Get rid. It's been that way his entire career because he's had the money to do it so can't hold it against him.. but it's not unusual to suggest that he got rid of De Bruyne because he wasn't good enough at that particular moment. Mourinho has never had the patience to wait and you certainly won't be playing any youth players in meaningful competitive fixtures with him in charge.
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We'll see. :)
 
izec said:
So nothing for us under LvG.
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Yeah he doesn't seem like the kind of player who would enjoy life under LVG by all accounts. Then again if he wants to play for a "big club", most teams have managers who are strict and want people to work hard in training.
 
The Purist said:
Let's be honest, Josè never keeps anyone who might be a liability in any sense. The 22 year old kid ain't developed enough yet? Get rid. Schurrle doesn't quite fit the system? Get rid. It's been that way his entire career because he's had the money to do it so can't hold it against him.. but it's not unusual to suggest that he got rid of De Bruyne because he wasn't good enough at that particular moment. Mourinho has never had the patience to wait and you certainly won't be playing any youth players in meaningful competitive fixtures with him in charge.
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I think that deBruyne was not easy to handle. And Mou has enough offensive players at Chelsea that are.
 
KDB was quite open in todays Kicker that he loves his current coach and is settled in Wolfsburg but that he doesnt know what the future brings.
He is honest imo. Like that.
But he really should stay for one more season. Get better in a team set up for him.

BobbyManc said:
"Record revenues for the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 clubs, large-scale continuity for the television viewing audience and fresh opportunities on the internet: The League Association will secure a total income of some 2.5 billion euro for the four league seasons 2013-14 through to 2016-17 from the marketing of domestic coverage rights - equivalent to around 628 million euro per year.

That represents an increase of approximately 52 percent on the current annual average revenues of 412 million euro"

Source - http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/dfl_record_revenues.htm

Is this the 2.5 billion figure you're using?
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No, thats just the TV income. Overall revenue was over 2,5 billion last season.

Kraftwerker said:
Seeing as you struggle with the financials, I'll give you an easier question to answer. And it's pretty relevant to this thread.
Do you think Bayern's transfer policy of systematically weakening any potential Bundesliga rival by signing all their best talent is a healthy policy?
I mean sure, it pretty much guarantees that you'll win the league unopposed, but it's not really good for the league is it?
When you see recently how Bayern's performances towards the end of the season fall off a cliff due to a non-competitive league, do you ever wish you pursued a transfer strategy which wasn't so damaging to your league 'rivals'?
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You can repeat it as often as you like. Its still not true. Other Bundesliga team play in a top 3 league, their players know the language and the country.
If we dont buy some of their best, foreign top clubs or the top tier in Germany steps in.
Did we buy some players to weak a rival? I wasnt in the meetings but sometimes we did that, surely. As did United in England.
Fair play btw.
But we arent a "Bond villain"(still love the comment from Klopp so). We had and have a plan, an idea; the best German players play for Bayern. And we also went on to buy for certain systems these last years.
We got destroyed in ONE Barca game because we lacked half of our starting eleven. Last year saw us chasing an away goal. That can end bad against the best counter team around.
This "Bayern wasnt match ready due to the weak Bundesliga" theory is cr** imo.
So yes, I believe that our transfer strategy is healthy for years now. Thiago for 25 million, Götze for 37, Benatia(best CB in Italy in 2013/14) for 26 and Lewandowski for 0 euros looks great for me.;)
 
The Purist said:
Let's be honest, Josè never keeps anyone who might be a liability in any sense. The 22 year old kid ain't developed enough yet? Get rid. Schurrle doesn't quite fit the system? Get rid. It's been that way his entire career because he's had the money to do it so can't hold it against him.. but it's not unusual to suggest that he got rid of De Bruyne because he wasn't good enough at that particular moment. Mourinho has never had the patience to wait and you certainly won't be playing any youth players in meaningful competitive fixtures with him in charge.
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Mourinho said that he wanted to keep him. But KDB wanten to play pretty much every game. Mourinho then told him that he can't promise him that. KDB response was (according to Mourinho): I need to feel the trust, I am not someone who fights for a place in the team. (Pretty similar to Lukakus reaction actually.)
 
UweBein said:
Mourinho said that he wanted to keep him. But KDB wanten to play pretty much every game. Mourinho then told him that he can't promise him that. KDB response was (according to Mourinho): I need to feel the trust, I am not someone who fights for a place in the team. (Pretty similar to Lukakus reaction actually.)
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Mourinho also said he's happy that Cech got what he wanted - do you believe that?
 
anchan1989 said:
KDB was quite open in todays Kicker that he loves his current coach and is settled in Wolfsburg but that he doesnt know what the future brings.
He is honest imo. Like that.
But he really should stay for one more season. Get better in a team set up for him.



No, thats just the TV income. Overall revenue was over 2,5 billion last season.



You can repeat it as often as you like. Its still not true. Other Bundesliga team play in a top 3 league, their players know the language and the country.
If we dont buy some of their best, foreign top clubs or the top tier in Germany steps in.
Did we buy some players to weak a rival? I wasnt in the meetings but sometimes we did that, surely. As did United in England.
Fair play btw.
But we arent a "Bond villain"(still love the comment from Klopp so). We had and have a plan, an idea; the best German players play for Bayern. And we also went on to buy for certain systems these last years.
We got destroyed in ONE Barca game because we lacked half of our starting eleven. Last year saw us chasing an away goal. That can end bad against the best counter team around.
This "Bayern wasnt match ready due to the weak Bundesliga" theory is cr** imo.
So yes, I believe that our transfer strategy is healthy for years now. Thiago for 25 million, Götze for 37, Benatia(best CB in Italy in 2013/14) for 26 and Lewandowski for 0 euros looks great for me.;)
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No doubt it's been great for you!

I was trying to get you to think outside the Bayern bubble and the devastating effect on the clubs and league around you.

United have very rarely signed players from their title rivals. It's once in a blue moon kind of stuff, a la Van Persie, where we took advantage of a contract situation and Wenger was relatively happy to sell perhaps knowing Van Persie would ultimately only give us around one good year at most. Similar situation with Mata, where Mourinho no longer rated him.

Arsenal were United's main rivals throughout the 90's and 00's and there was never a major transfer between the clubs.

The top clubs in England are relatively insulated from each other. Clubs like Dortmund and Wolfsburg know their players are just one good season away from being harvested up by Bayern. And those odds can stretch a little further out. The policy is healthy for one club only. Certainly not the league.
 
The Purist said:
Mourinho also said he's happy that Cech got what he wanted - do you believe that?
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KDB stated that he lost his joy in one half of a season. That pretty much complements Mourinho's explanation.
 
UweBein said:
KDB stated that he lost his joy in one half of a season. That pretty much complements Mourinho's explanation.
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Not necessarily. Maybe Mourinho treated him poorly or tried to make an example out of him. It certainly wouldn't be the first time and it's really impossible to tell so there's no point pretending that either of us know the answer.
 
Kraftwerker said:
No doubt it's been great for you!

I was trying to get you to think outside the Bayern bubble and the devastating effect on the clubs and league around you.

United have very rarely signed players from their title rivals. It's once in a blue moon kind of stuff, a la Van Persie, where we took advantage of a contract situation and Wenger was relatively happy to sell perhaps knowing Van Persie would ultimately only give us around one good year at most. Similar situation with Mata, where Mourinho no longer rated him.

Arsenal were United's main rivals throughout the 90's and 00's and there was never a major transfer between the clubs.

The top clubs in England are relatively insulated from each other. Clubs like Dortmund and Wolfsburg know their players are just one good season away from being harvested up by Bayern. And those odds can stretch a little further out. The policy is healthy for one club only. Certainly not the league.
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The problem is that when Bayern does not buy the rest of the big fish in Europe buy. At the end it does not change anything. Bayern can buy a similar player from elsewhere - whereas the player from the competitors goes abroad...
 
anchan1989 said:
KDB was quite open in todays Kicker that he loves his current coach and is settled in Wolfsburg but that he doesnt know what the future brings.
He is honest imo. Like that.
But he really should stay for one more season. Get better in a team set up for him.



No, thats just the TV income. Overall revenue was over 2,5 billion last season.



You can repeat it as often as you like. Its still not true. Other Bundesliga team play in a top 3 league, their players know the language and the country.
If we dont buy some of their best, foreign top clubs or the top tier in Germany steps in.
Did we buy some players to weak a rival? I wasnt in the meetings but sometimes we did that, surely. As did United in England.
Fair play btw.
But we arent a "Bond villain"(still love the comment from Klopp so). We had and have a plan, an idea; the best German players play for Bayern. And we also went on to buy for certain systems these last years.
We got destroyed in ONE Barca game because we lacked half of our starting eleven. Last year saw us chasing an away goal. That can end bad against the best counter team around.
This "Bayern wasnt match ready due to the weak Bundesliga" theory is cr** imo.
So yes, I believe that our transfer strategy is healthy for years now. Thiago for 25 million, Götze for 37, Benatia(best CB in Italy in 2013/14) for 26 and Lewandowski for 0 euros looks great for me.;)
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Just end this nonsense and post a link to the tv revenue figures you believe are true.
For the love of god!!
 
"De Bruyne added: 'At the end of December I had a chat with Mourinho. He told me things about competition, training hard and there's always a chance that you will play.

'And he also told me he wasn't keen to let me go, even on loan, saying: 'You're a good player.' But what could I do more?"

Read it and make your own opinion. But to me it seems that KDB wanted to play very often. He wasn't good enough for that which was to be expected if you consider the competition. He has that option at Wolfsburg now.
 
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