Well La Liga fans are right then.
Kevin De Bruyne
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For me KDB will choose between City and Bayern.
And we(Bayern), according to German media, had already made contact with Wolfsburg and their VW people, who also have a place on our board.
IF we want him(and I think we do) he should go to Bayern.
How exactly is that possible when the PL revenue is around 3 billion euros and the Bundesliga one is over 2 billion?
The PL is on national TV since 2013 or so. Hardly that long and Real and Barca, Bayern and the big Italian teams arent minions in the US either
There is a strong connection to England for obvious reasons but the Bundesliga was the first league who created a big buzz back in the 70s for example.
The story isnt as clear cut as you tell it.
And I cant wait for that exciting title race. It was promised me before 2012/13, 13/14 and last season. After the law of chance we really should get one this time.
City already looked fantastic against Real, one of those minor foreign teams no one cares about in the US.
And we(Bayern), according to German media, had already made contact with Wolfsburg and their VW people, who also have a place on our board.
IF we want him(and I think we do) he should go to Bayern.
How exactly is that possible when the PL revenue is around 3 billion euros and the Bundesliga one is over 2 billion?
The PL is on national TV since 2013 or so. Hardly that long and Real and Barca, Bayern and the big Italian teams arent minions in the US either
There is a strong connection to England for obvious reasons but the Bundesliga was the first league who created a big buzz back in the 70s for example.
The story isnt as clear cut as you tell it.
And I cant wait for that exciting title race. It was promised me before 2012/13, 13/14 and last season. After the law of chance we really should get one this time.
City already looked fantastic against Real, one of those minor foreign teams no one cares about in the US.
I haven't seen him play that often but when I have he's not looked massively special.
Is he really that good? Like £50-£60m good?
Is he really that good? Like £50-£60m good?
He sure is
Yes indeed, I'll just add that from the conversations I've had there is no group of fans who are more convinced about their league greatness than Premier League fans. The talk about PL incredible defensive level could easily make you think that Baresi and Maldini would be bit part players at West Brom in their prime.
Yes, that second part definitely happened. Txiki texting someone about their midfield. Yes, plausible.
It was part of a longer tweet
'Fernando, I'm worried about our midfield, you're shite'
'Fernando, I'm worried about our midfield, you're shite'
So believable
I'm not really concerned whether that bit is true or not, I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt though. There's nothing improbable about the fact Txiki would be texting someone about City only hours after they've played a game. I do know that a good mate of mine has met Txiki before and he did speak briefly about transfers to him, so I'm willing to believe this guys account as well.
Just seen van Gaal at the airport, he was texting someone 'lol bro tey think i aint guna buy atacka dun tey no i gonna bring an attacka worried about atacka guna sign pedro & muller"
That's not believable at all and neither is Txiki revealing his transfer plans to a random lad on a train.
Like no one knows City's transfer plans?
In your opinion, personally I don't see why it's so unimaginable that Txiki, considering his role at City, would be texting someone about the team soon after a match. And Txiki didn't say anything that hasn't been said in the press - we're trying for De Bruyne but Pogba is not happening. He's not revealing anything, not giving any details, just confirming stuff the press already knows. Like I said, my mate's met Txiki before and he responded similarly about players when asked, so I'll believe this guy. At any rate, it's hardly important whether it's true or not, there's not exactly anything new being alleged.
Sorry I don't think you understand - I'll repeat, Bayern are 1/20 to win next year's Bundesliga.
Please find me a time when Man United or any team have been anywhere close to that. It doesn't happen.
It's not a competitive league. Those are the sort of odds you get when a decent side plays some joke side like San Marino. You may as well start playing with a 20 point handicap to stop it becoming a total snorefest.
I would be fine if my Bayern will pay that for him. He is that good imo.
So because English bookmakers are ignorant and PL biased the Bundesliga is behind the PL?
Tiger Woods was the odds on favorite for every major in the 2010s before this year.
Was that smart, right? No.
You compare the competition in the Bundesliga with San Marino. That alone shows how biased you are. But hey, live in your world where the GREAT PL was won by Chelsea with 8 points ahead of 2nd this year.
Bayern had 25....oh no 10 points more then 2nd placed Wolfsburg. WHAT A GAP.
I would be fine if my Bayern will pay that for him. He is that good imo.
So because English bookmakers are ignorant and PL biased the Bundesliga is behind the PL?
Tiger Woods was the odds on favorite for every major in the 2010s before this year.
Was that smart, right? No.
You compare the competition in the Bundesliga with San Marino. That alone shows how biased you are. But hey, live in your world where the GREAT PL was won by Chelsea with 8 points ahead of 2nd this year.
Bayern had 25....oh no 10 points more then 2nd placed Wolfsburg. WHAT A GAP.
Yeah, it's ignorant English bookmakers.
There's a difference between being odds on favourite e.g. 5/6, and being 1/20!
1/20 is basically saying it's already decided, it's finished. Barring some freak set of circumstances the Bundesliga is to all intents and purposes already over.
I'm making no comment on the pulling power or quality of Bayern who are clearly a brilliant side. I'm also not talking about the quality of the PL sides, who are quite clearly behind Bayern right now.
It's just not a competitive league, don't kid yourself that it is. Maybe De Bruyne will join Bayern (I actually hope he does) and the odds will stretch to 1/25 as another 'rival' is severely weakened. Can't wait to watch that title race!
I would be fine if my Bayern will pay that for him. He is that good imo.
So because English bookmakers are ignorant and PL biased the Bundesliga is behind the PL?
Tiger Woods was the odds on favorite for every major in the 2010s before this year.
Was that smart, right? No.
You compare the competition in the Bundesliga with San Marino. That alone shows how biased you are. But hey, live in your world where the GREAT PL was won by Chelsea with 8 points ahead of 2nd this year.
Bayern had 25....oh no 10 points more then 2nd placed Wolfsburg. WHAT A GAP.
The bookmakers being English is entirely irrelevant. The simple truth is the winner of the Bundesliga for the past couple of seasons and the foreseeable future is effectively decided before a ball has even been kicked. The English title race is much harder to predict than in Germany, that cannot even be disputed. That is not saying about the respective quality of the two leagues, simply England does not have one team vastly superior to all the others.
I would be fine if my Bayern will pay that for him. He is that good imo.
So because English bookmakers are ignorant and PL biased the Bundesliga is behind the PL?
Tiger Woods was the odds on favorite for every major in the 2010s before this year.
Was that smart, right? No.
You compare the competition in the Bundesliga with San Marino. That alone shows how biased you are. But hey, live in your world where the GREAT PL was won by Chelsea with 8 points ahead of 2nd this year.
Bayern had 25....oh no 10 points more then 2nd placed Wolfsburg. WHAT A GAP.
Please post odds from German bookies.
I don't know if there is a sports league in the world where the favourites are 1/20. That is how unbelievably one-horse the Bundesliga is now. Bayern have literaly no competition.
For me KDB will choose between City and Bayern.
And we(Bayern), according to German media, had already made contact with Wolfsburg and their VW people, who also have a place on our board.
IF we want him(and I think we do) he should go to Bayern.
How exactly is that possible when the PL revenue is around 3 billion euros and the Bundesliga one is over 2 billion?
The PL is on national TV since 2013 or so. Hardly that long and Real and Barca, Bayern and the big Italian teams arent minions in the US either
There is a strong connection to England for obvious reasons but the Bundesliga was the first league who created a big buzz back in the 70s for example.
The story isnt as clear cut as you tell it.
And I cant wait for that exciting title race. It was promised me before 2012/13, 13/14 and last season. After the law of chance we really should get one this time.
City already looked fantastic against Real, one of those minor foreign teams no one cares about in the US.
That's incorrect.
Deloitte Money League 2013-14:
1. Premier League - 3258m Euros
2. Bundesliga - 1083.2m Euros
With the new PL tv deal kicking in next season, it will be at least 4x more.
The problem is for the Bundesliga, in Germany people will not pay for sports subscriptions like they will in other countries.
Bundesliga is much better value - free on TV, cheaper tickets.
And Germany is producing far more dmestic talent than England right now.
But the financially clout and global appeal of the PL is on another level to all the other leagues. Truly not even close.
Is that so? Because if I compare Bayern and Chelsea in the last season, I don´t see much differences. Both clubs did not destroy the league, but they also never looked in true danger of not winning it either. Both had the strongest and most balanced squads of the league in combination with the best manager.
Similar to the Bundesliga, the challengers of Chelsea have yet to prove to be able to put real pressure on them:
- United needs to obtain the necessary consistency to pose a real threat to them
- City needs to step it up in actual performances
- Wenger needs to finally create a real title challenge over the whole season and not just two months
In Germany, there are only two realistic challengers (this is the biggest difference to the EPL IMO) unless Favre gets an even more magical touch:
- the obvious one is Wolfsburg, which has to keep De Bruyne and let him continue to fire on all cylinders and balance the league with the CL
- the second one is still Dortmund, which even after a horrible season and losing Klopp have not experienced the sell out that many people on here predicted. They kept all top players and added quality in both the goal and midfield. They also finally caught a break in terms of injuries and have a new coach who is known for creating new impulses, which is what the team needed the most. The strain of playing EL is also smaller compared to the CL.
Bayern Munich had two truly dominant league seasons. In the first one they dominated everything, humilating the likes of Juventus and Barcelona on their path to win the CL aswell. The only team which actually could push them to their limits in direct duels was another German club, which they distanced in the league. In the second season it was a neck to neck battle between them and Dortmund until the end of October, when their superior squad depth (the latter were hit by a major injury crisis in the defense) decided the title race by December.
The last season was not as convincing. The dependence on Ribery and Robben became more and more visible and there were more grinds involved. I believe that the Dortmund of 2010-2013 could have actually posed a real threat to them, but they crashed and burned that season. They have a few challenges ahead of them, one of them being to be able to keep the motivation/hunger up in the league, while starting a real run for the CL trophy at the same time.
Don´t get me wrong, they are still the heavy favourites for the league title, especially because the current Dortmund team is completely unproven at this point, but I don´t see what makes them that much more favoured to win the title compared to Chelsea.
Then there is of course the argument, that the competition of the league is not only decided by the title race (the battle for the top 4 will be quite close in my book), but this is not the place for that discussion.
There's a huge difference. Bookies are far from stupid and their odds reflect the fact the PL is much harder to call than the Bundesliga. Last season was dull, City challenged closely up until the new year and Chelsea won comfortably in the end. The season before Liverpool, Chelsea and City were all involved closely. The season before United won comfortably. The season before City won with the last kick of the game. That's 4 seasons and 3 different winners, with two titles undecided going into the final matchday. You wouldn't be overly surprised if the next four years also saw three different winners. Nobody can say the same for the Bundesliga.
Moreover, a huge difference is the financial power. Bayern can easily sign the best talent from their rivals. Goetze and Lewandowski are prime examples. De Bruyne could easily follow. In the Premier League none of the top teams are able to sign their rivals best players unless they are willingly let go (Mata, for example). Dortmund had two of their biggest talents just snapped up no problem - that doesn't happen in England. You will almost never see one of the key players get transferred between the top three/four clubs in England.
No there aren't. There are zero.
Check those odds again. Once Bayern sign De Bruyne there will be less than zero. They've already ruined Dortmund.
It's like saying Aberdeen are a realistic challenger to Celtic in the SPL.
If our German friends can find a German bookmaker that will offer similar odds for Bayern to win their league as Chelsea have, I will personally sell my house, car and belongings and gladly make the journey to place the bet.
I will live in the streets for a year waiting for my windfall to come in
Deal?
I will live in the streets for a year waiting for my windfall to come in
Deal?
Whatever "Deloitte Money League" is, they are badly wrong or you missread.
http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/...mal-in-folge-mit-rekordumsatz_id_4423479.html
The Bundesliga made 2,45 billion euros in the 2013/14 season.
And for all the PL fanboys here; the German clubs played for 3 trophies last season. Bayern won 1, Dortmund 1 and Wolfsburg 1.
Yeah, the TERROR of the 1 team league.
Some PL fans. Always a great entertainment.
But keep mention some bookmakers. The world cares about them. Haha, I cant.
Whatever "Deloitte Money League" is, they are badly wrong or you missread.
http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/...mal-in-folge-mit-rekordumsatz_id_4423479.html
The Bundesliga made 2,45 billion euros in the 2013/14 season.
And for all the PL fanboys here; the German clubs played for 3 trophies last season. Bayern won 1, Dortmund 1 and Wolfsburg 1.
Yeah, the TERROR of the 1 team league.
Some PL fans. Always a great entertainment.
But keep mention some bookmakers. The world cares about them. Haha, I cant.
The lady doth protest too much.
Funny thread this. Not only are the bookmakers completely wrong, but so are Deloitte, one of the most respected financial services institutions in the world.
There is always an off season possible...
Sounds to me like the Bundesliga from 2008-2011. Yes, at the moment Bayern is dominant, but its not like the EPL had never teams, who won three seasons in a row. Infact the difference in league titles between Bayern and United in the last twenty years is one in favour of Bayern.
I also won´t dispute Bayern´s superior finances, but this is hardly news. They have been the dominant force in that sector since the beginning of the millenium (it was actually longer, but Dortmund tried to rival them with horrible consequences) and did the same to Leverkusen and Bremen what they did to Dortmund. They still did not win every year. Part of it is the nature of the Bundesliga, which makes it easier to build a league winning with less money (substainability is a different matter), another reason is that it is hard to substain motivation over such a long time in a single competiton. It is the task of Bayern´s challengers to be there, when they slip up and at one point they will. They might do it next season, when the priority will be the CL.
Bayern Munich became dominant again because they drew the right conclusions out of the dissapointing season 2011/2012, when they had three titles in their grasp and fell short every time. They invested in the right positions, used the motivation from their failures in the following season and brought in Guardiola after that. That for me is similar to what Chelsea did when they brought back Mourinho, who identified the weak spots of the squad in a matter of a season and erased them. That makes them for me heavy favourites to win the next EPL season aswell.
No one can realistically claim the Bundesliga is as competitive as the premier league. The Bundesliga has become a one horse due to the second best horse in the league having its hooves chopped...by the no1 team in the league!!! Imagine if we had bought Viera and Henry back when arsenal was going head to head with us seemingly every year.
Yeah there is no denying Bayern's stranglehold on the Bundesliga title is a very recent development, I can still remember that phenomenal Grafite-Dzeko partnership when Wolfsburg won the league. The trouble is Bayern are such a wonderful side at the minute that when combined with a significantly higher status and financial position than any other competitor in the league it allows them to reach the position they are in now where short of a huge injury crisis or something similar it's hard to see them not continuing to dominate for at least the next few years too. In England the situation makes it very hard for one club to dominate right now. You say you see Chelsea as heavy favourites which is fair enough but it's an opinion that will be contested by many people. If I said Bayern are heavy favourites for the Bundesliga people wouldn't even give it a second thought.
The main reason I don't think Bayern's dominance will end soon is Guardiola. I'm not a fan of the guy, but he's one of the best coaches in the world, he's extremely ambitious, pays great attention to detail and has all the financial resources he needs to maintain this dominance. In the timespan from 2008 to 2011, there was the failed Klinsmann period and then van Gaal's tenure, which became clouded with a lot of disagreements with management quickly.
As long as Guardiola is there, it's hard to see them slip up the way they have in the past to be honest.
Be a good signing for City. Front 4 would be the best in the league, and quite comfortably at that. Their midfield remains shite though and defence dodgy.
You mean the season after Kagawa and Sahin left they were 25 points behind Bayern having still Lewy and Goetze...
Looks like Real and United were the bad guys here... not Bayern.
Great post Bobby & the bolded part is the bit i liked best - nail on the head mate..
Some really good posting on this page - take a bow the lot of ya's!
They got to the CL final after spanking Madrid even without sahin and Kagawa. Face it, bayern destroyed Dortmund. After losing Kagawa and Sahin they had recovered. It took gundogan about half a season to get going and then the team was solid again. Then Bayern decided to end their project.
BTW Bayern aren't 1/20 to win Bundesliga, they are around 1/7 to 1/8 depending on where you bet.
Bullshit. Gündogans injury combined with them buying simply average players (Mkhitaryan, Immobile, Ramos) were their downfall. Yeah Götze was a big blow but if they would've gotten De Bruyne as his replacement like they wanted, they would've been in a much better position.
I hate Bayern Munich but who can blame them for buying one of the most talented youngsters in the world (at that time Götze was) and a world class striker for free? Of course they way they did it before their match against Dortmund was tasteless Bayern Munich style, but buying them was a no brainer.
IMO, the Bundesliga has become so boring. Seriously I know a lot of Bayern Munich fans and even they admit, they don't care as much as they used to when they lose in the Bundesliga, because they know they going to win it anyway. Bayern Munich just has to much financial pull for any other club in the BL to catch them up and if a club like Wolfsburg or Dortmund finds a few gems, they simply will be bought from more financial potent teams.
Isn't that a pretty good investment in the days of low interests?
Why did they have to buy those players? To replace which players that were bought by which team? There's a shortage of great strikers around and they lost theirs to the best team in the league.
Its not about why wouldn't Bayern buy those players, those are great players and they have every right to be interested in such a calibre of players however they are buying them from the 2nd biggest club in Germany. How's the bundesliga supposed to be competitive after that?
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