Kenyon: No more Spending....

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United's spending has ended, says Kenyon

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United spent a British record 30 million pounds on former Leeds defender Ferdinand on Monday and were expected to buy more players to boost their defensive and attacking capabilities

But Kenyon told reporters: "We are not looking for new players. We concentrated on what we thought was our single number one target and that was Rio.

"There is a limit to the squad size you can have. Good players want to play football, they don't want to sit on benches and have rests.

"We have got a squad size we are happy with." If you look at us we have the best midfield of any team probably across Europe," a reference to David Beckham, Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Juan Sebastian Veron.

"As for strikers, we brought in Diego Forlan last season, Ruud (van Nistelrooy) had a fantastic season and Ole (Gunnar Solskjaer) keeps on doing what he does -- so we are great in that department.

This was all about a quality player in defence. We never sat down and said we needed to bring in several players. This was all about getting the right one and in Rio we have the right one.

"That really was what the game plan from day one."

The new English premier league season starts on August 17.

Kenyon also confirmed United were in talks with Blackburn over the sale of out-of-favour striker Dwight Yorke.

"Blackburn and ourselves have been having discussions and will continue to have those discussions. If we reach a deal then we will do it," Kenyon said.


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There are two ways of interpreting his statement imo.

1. You can take it at face value, eg. He means what he says.

or

2. We are infact still exploring other transfer options, and Kenyon made this public statement about not spending further to prevent clubs from raising the valuations of their players simply because United are interested. This will obviously be a lingering problem for us. We've bought two players for about 60m over the past two years, and clubs will have no problems whatsoever, to try and gauge us on their asking prices.
 
I hope its the latter....

I still feel we need another player, be it a striker or a defender.


I think he is saying that the board wont release more funds until someone goes. Understandable really
 
If it's really the latter then I think Peter ( and actually Fergie refuse to comment much abt this ) did the right stuff ... I have posted another thread the other day saying we have been the "victim" of our own success - every clubs we deal with will try to get "rich" by doing business . ..
With Kenyon's latest statement I think it can at least cut the "crazy" stuff down a bit ... The next time we make an enquiry - at least ppl know we are looking for something logical or just forget it ... that make sense !! ..

Personally I think the huge outlay should stop ... that's for sure ! ... I don want to end up like those Italian clubs ... all of them must have some "expert" advice from some financial advisors :p
 
Originally posted by paulengland:
<strong>I hope its the latter....

I still feel we need another player, be it a striker or a defender.


I think he is saying that the board wont release more funds until someone goes. Understandable really</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope no one have to go for the sake of getting more funds.
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It's not unreasonable.

Out with the freeloaders - (perhaps) in with a couple of bargain basement Scandanavians hungry for silverware and a European profile.

And there must be a couple of our own youngsters knocking on the door by now. Kenyon will want to see a return on that investment as well.
 
Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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And there must be a couple of our own youngsters knocking on the door by now. Kenyon will want to see a return on that investment as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that's where Queirez (sp) comes in. To unearth some Figos and Costas for us.
:D
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Originally posted by Marcus:
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I think that's where Queirez (sp) comes in. To unearth some Figos and Costas for us.
:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Quite. If I was Kenyon I would see Queiroz as every bit an important acquisition for the club as Rio.

SAF / Kenyon will want to give Queiroz a little time to assess the youth situation / training / tactics before bringing in new blood from outside.

The one thing everyone was agreed upon at this early stage was the need for a World Class centre back around whom the defensive tactics could be built.

I do also agree with Raoul's second point.
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I sure hope his second point is true else we are done for :(
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>I sure hope his second point is true else we are done for :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

y would we b done 4?
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Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>I sure hope his second point is true else we are done for :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, why is that exacty kemo? Because we haven't signed one player from your wishlist?

For feck's sake pull yourself together you blabbering idiot.
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given that you're a publically traded company, why would kenyon make a statement like this if it were not true? he wouldn't, simple as that. if you were genuinely in for other players, kenyon would say so to keep the stock market happy. . .so he's telling the truth.

which means we're free to get duff.

:D
 
The bottom line is that out of next season's budget (unless Forlan falls into thatand not last years)we will have spent 14Million on Rio, with the rest to come out of next season's. If we sell Disco for 4 then that is a total outlay of only 10Mill which is far less than some other teams, maybe even Birmingham!! Still say we are 1-2 players short of confidently being able to win EC and Premiership.
 
Still think we need more defensive cover and another striker. We really need another LB.
 
Originally posted by paulengland:

I hope its the latter....
I still feel we need another player, be it a striker or a defender.

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well, which is it?
if we need a defender, buying a striker will do a world of good
and if we need a striker, what are we gonna do with a defender?

we need a striker more urgently than a defender, to maintain the balance of the squad -

PK's just doing the usual smokescreen work - AF spoke of players, not player, maybe not another
30m purchase ... could even be di Canio ;)
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I think Kenyon really means what he said -- at his position he would not lie for such thing. It is a very disappointing news, of course. We are now gambling on Ruud and Ole to stay fit and play 60 matches next season. If we lose this gamble we will pay dearly for the concequence.
 
&gt; If we sell Disco for 4 then that is a total outlay of only 10Mill which is far less than some other teams, maybe even Birmingham!! Still say we are 1-2 players short of confidently being able to win EC and Premiership.

We spent about £10m last season too when you tot everything up. Which I agree is a bit light.

Kenyon really said we're not *adding* to the squad (and as good as said we aren't bidding for Duff). Hopefully we can offload Yorke and that will release a few million for a bargain Sheringham-type oldie but goodie.
 
Originally posted by nickm:
<strong>Kenyon really said we're not *adding* to the squad (and as good as said we aren't bidding for Duff). Hopefully we can offload Yorke and that will release a few million for a bargain Sheringham-type oldie but goodie.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you read carefully the quote Kenyon has already assume that Yorke will leave -- he only mentioned we have three strikers in Ruud, Ole and Diego. So clearly we are not going to add any new striker, no matter Yorke can be sold or not.
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he said similar things after veron, but we still signed forlan, and that young keeper.

nearly even got yorke, so lets hope.

we definately need 4 strikers.
 
plus fergie has constantly used the word signings, and has not said he is happy with squad just yet.

also as rivaldo's on a free, fergie should go for him, if zidane's worth £50 million, then rivaldo on a free is a no brainer. we were prepared to pay about £20 million a year or so back, so why not pay his wages to the tune of 15 million over 3 years.
 
If we play 4-5-1 all season we don't actually need anymore strikers.
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>he said similar things after veron, but we still signed forlan, and that young keeper.

nearly even got yorke, so lets hope.

we definately need 4 strikers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Forlan is signed to replace the departed andy cole, which is an unexpected thing before the season. The price of the young keeper is so low that it is irrelvent to the question.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Forlan is signed to replace the departed andy cole, which is an unexpected thing before the season. The price of the young keeper is so low that it is irrelvent to the question.</strong><hr></blockquote>

true, but forlan was also signed to make the number of striker back to 4, so now with yorke off we need a fourh striker.
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With yorke heading out the door I think we definitely need another striker - 3 just ain't enough over the course of a season. Question is who? Rivaldo!? <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
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true, but forlan was also signed to make the number of striker back to 4, so now with yorke off we need a fourh striker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm quite confused with the yorke thing ATM. If fergie drop him, why is he still featured to play against Shelbourne?
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instead of speculating, lets jus wait for the money man to do something. ferguson noes wat he needs and if he decides that ferdi is enuff (which dun think so) then so be it.

duff is a good buy but he would not wan to play second string to giggs. he would wanna play week in week out ... PK has a point ... we haf a squad full of international players. they would not wan to be fringe players. signing duff or crespo or anyone else wld jus make things difficult for ferguson. true to say he would haf a large pool of players to select from everytime but can he keep all the players happy?

we do not necessarily need a left back. Phil is doing quite well. when was the last time we see one of the neville brothers scoring 2 goals in a season. in terms of goals, phil has 2 ahead of his bro last season. i figure that phil shld be given his run and let him develop as a player. i haf this feeling that he wld play a part in euro 2004!!!

All these are my opinion onli. u can choose to ignore it!
 
You puny weak brained dweeb called Dans. We won the treble when we had 4 strikers. Does that ring a bell? What of the last time we won the Prem. Didn't we have four functioning on our books? :eek:
DUHH!
With only 3 stikers one injury will finish us. And besides. If we play Fergie's 4-5-1 who will play in the hole? Diego is still too wasteful, Scholes can't handle it and Giggs is irreplaceble on the left. Not to mention being a lousy finisher. We haven't replaced Sheringham you fool. That is why 4-5-1 don't work any longer yet it is what helped us win the Treble with Yorke in the hole. And he is off to join King Cole!


And we don't need anymore fullbacks if Ronnie Johnesen stays. Wes and Phil are good enough cover.
So get a brain you cross eyed camel!! <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
Dans:
If we play 4-5-1 all season we don't actually need anymore strikers.

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we played 4-4-2 in the PL for most of the season, plus which, we could have a striking crisis like our defensive one last seas. w/ a defender dropping out every week...

kemo, pipe down fella, easy does it....
actually never mind, i'm just waiting for the DansAttack
carry on, you two ;)
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Couldn't we just get Ayala who will go for less than 10mill? Would help Veron settle in a tad more too and piss Leeds off even more! <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>given that you're a publically traded company, why would kenyon make a statement like this if it were not true? he wouldn't, simple as that. if you were genuinely in for other players, kenyon would say so to keep the stock market happy. . .so he's telling the truth.

which means we're free to get duff.

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah. The last i heard was that Blackburn thinks that Duff is worth more than Rio. Where's your team gonna get the money?

:D
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Originally posted by phunky:
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Yeah. The last i heard was that Blackburn thinks that Duff is worth more than Rio. Where's your team gonna get the money?

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>


but we won't be held to ransom simply because we blow our own trumpet about being the "richest club in the world (TM)".

if we get duff it'll be for £15M or less. . .
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kemo - must be about time for your pills, or your sectioning, not quite sure which but you're clearly a hot head who's quite out of control. Over and out.

radd - I was merely putting forward a theory based on Kenyon's statement concerning teh end of our spending this summer. Personally I'd much rather see 4-4-2.
 
I know I posted this elsewhere, but it seems to fit in here as well...

Can't believe Ferguson will be satisfied with the current squad. When you look at Liverpool (four strikers (Owen, Diouf, Heskey, Litmanen) they have many more options going forward. They've also got plenty of depth in midfield. Arsenal have options galore up front (Henry, Bergkamp, Jeffers, Kanu, Wiltord) and at least three quality central defenders (Cygan, Keown, Campbell). Both sides are well covered for 'utility' players aswell. Arsenal have Ljungberg, Edu, Parlour, Liverpool have Murphy, Berger, Smicer, Barmby - all of whom can fill a number of positions.
United are OK in midfield, but you do worry if something happens to Ruud. Then they go into games with no option other than Ole and Forlan. There's no point playing Giggs up front unless there is someone to come in on the left of suitable quality.
If Yorke goes I fully expected United to move for someone like Gudjohnsen at Chelsea, or perhaps Duff. But Kenyon's comments will have Arsenal and Liverpool licking their lips in anticipation of the new season. In reality, United are worse off for strength in depth than they were last season and that can't be a good thing.
Hell. even Leeds United have greater strength in depth and we've just taken their best player from them! Up front they have Viduka, Bridges, Fowler, Keane and Kewell and still three solid defenders in Woodgate, Radebe and Matteo. And, according to Risdale, they are still planning to bring in three or four players!
I expect Ferguson will have a word or two in Kenyons ear in the next few days. He knows the strength in depth isn't quite there yet - and should someone like Gudjohnsen or Duff become available at a reasonable price, United would be fools to turn down the opportunity of bringing him to Old Trafford.
 
Its quite an incredible statement to make, in complete contradiction to all previous quotations. It makes me wonder if the position has changed due to the size of outlay on Rio, and our share price hitting a 6 year low. However, there still seemed room in there to replace existing players. Previous comments have said that the squad size is right, as in players leaving would have to be replaced. If we count John O'Shea as being one replacement, we still need to replace Yorke when he leaves. We could still replace a departing goalkeeper too for example. To me it seems to suggest no more significant outlay - without further sales funding further transfers.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Its quite an incredible statement to make, in complete contradiction to all previous quotations. It makes me wonder if the position has changed due to the size of outlay on Rio, and our share price hitting a 6 year low. However, there still seemed room in there to replace existing players. Previous comments have said that the squad size is right, as in players leaving would have to be replaced. If we count John O'Shea as being one replacement, we still need to replace Yorke when he leaves. We could still replace a departing goalkeeper too for example. To me it seems to suggest no more significant outlay - without further sales funding further transfers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Surely United have more than £15million to spend this summer though?
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I think we're going to spend more, at which point Kenyon will justify it by saying something to the effect of..."We were content with the purchase of Rio but when (playername) became available, we felt like he could've made an immediate contribution to our club." blah blah blah
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I think we're going to spend more, at which point Kenyon will justify it by saying something to the effect of..."We were content with the purchase of Rio but when (playername) became available, we felt like he could've made an immediate contribution to our club." blah blah blah</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope you're right mate.

At the moment I'm not so sure <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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I for one don't think Rio on his own is going to transform our team - personally I think the main defensive problems last season were barthez and the full backs, I didn't have much problem with the centre backs other than Blanc taking a while to adjust, and making other players try and cover for him, pulling themselves out of position to do so. We won't win anything this season with just Rio as a purchase.

There was a time late last season when neither Ruud or Ole were available to play, and it became all too apparent that we had very little strength in depth in the striking department. And we failed to score against packed defenses like Boro and the dippers - hence the attempted PDC transfer.

But I suppose the matter of personnel is less important than our formation and tactics next year. If its 4-5-1 again then we may as well not turn up. And if its another year of how do I keep Veron and Scholes happy by playing them both, then our chances are ruined.

I know that pre-season is no indicator of the way we'll play during the season (i.e. last pre-season we used 4-3-3), but what formation and style did we use against Shelbourne?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Its quite an incredible statement to make, in complete contradiction to all previous quotations. It makes me wonder if the position has changed due to the size of outlay on Rio, and our share price hitting a 6 year low. However, there still seemed room in there to replace existing players. Previous comments have said that the squad size is right, as in players leaving would have to be replaced. If we count John O'Shea as being one replacement, we still need to replace Yorke when he leaves. We could still replace a departing goalkeeper too for example. To me it seems to suggest no more significant outlay - without further sales funding further transfers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it is a shock announcment, though not totally unexpectable. Kenyon also did the same thing after we purchased Veron last season, in spite of loud voices from fans to buy a defender. Several days ago when lchk said who should we buy after Rio, I already said that I afriad we won't have money left to buy another player after Rio. Sadly my prediction has really come true. It once again explain why the money men are called "the money men": they care money more than any other thing of the club.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I know that pre-season is no indicator of the way we'll play during the season (i.e. last pre-season we used 4-3-3), but what formation and style did we use against Shelbourne?</strong><hr></blockquote>

We have started with all three strikers (Rudd, Ole and Forlan) against Shelbourne.

Agree with you that we may have problem to win match if Ruud and Ole are unavailable. However, I want to add that even if they are available, we still lack something up front to break the tightest defence in the league (such as the last few games against Liverpool).
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