Music Kendrick Lamar

Tarrou said:
I agree with you that he'll come back, most people don't care

but he lost so bad he's definitely taken on some big big damage
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He needs to fall back and restructure his music and career going forward. If he plays his cards right, he'll forever be known as the guy who lost to Lamar but otherwise he'll suffer no long lasting impact to his career (funds or accolades wise)

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horsechoker said:
Ja Rule was done after the 50 beef. He basically disappeared until the fyre festival fiasco. The last hits I can remember him having were Clap Back and New York.

Jay-Z survived but he was too good and influential at that point. Unless Drake can make The Black Album he's done.
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Ja was falling off prior to the 50 beef. The New York record with Jadakiss and Fat Joe proved that if he pivoted correctly there was life still. But he didn't. (He was also a victim of massive changes in the industry but that's another topic)

Prior to the Black Album Jay-Z made Blueprint 2, which was a double LP bloated with filler and commercial hit trys, and looked very amateur next to Stillmatic. Like you said, his influence got him through that period until superior output put him back in the elite.

I'd argue Drake in terms of influence and quality is closer to Jay-Z 2002 than Ja of 2003, which is why he has a fighting chance. He needs to lock himself, 40 and Boi1da in a studio and not leave until he has a certified classic, showing maturity and defiance and ownership of the radio waves

Anything short of that and he's headed for Pitbull/Florida status (which is not the worst place to be)
 
entropy said:
can’t wait for drake’s right-wing grifter arc to begin. he’d be good at it too.
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You can see it coming
Shane88 said:
"Say Drake..."

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Does Drake even come back and make music anymore after this? He is just so "uncool" now. Who is going to say they're going to a Drake gig? The guy is synonymous with "Certified Paedophile" now.
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He's way too popular, has too many hits and has built a fan base that goes beyond hip hop, most of his fans probably don't really care.
 
2mufc0 said:
You can see it coming

He's way too popular, has too many hits and has built a fan base that goes beyond hip hop, most of his fans probably don't really care.
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he has a lot of power, money and influence already, and he seems the type to exploit that
 
hellhunter said:
Does it actually affect their careers?
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Pretty much only if someone literally gets shot because of it or a "losing side" decides to center their career from now convincing people about the fact that they "didn't really lose". Otherwise they're doing fine.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
So where does Serena Williams crip walking come into all of this?
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They “kind of” dated, but nothing serious. Serena called it off.

Drake being Drake was offended that a woman could possibly reject him, he’s never let it go and years later even started dissing her later husband and father of their children about how he isn’t good enough for her because he isn’t a big a celebrity as Drake.

By all accounts he’s spent the best part of ten years being bitter Serena rejected him.
 
adexkola said:
Of course he does. He's one of the top streaming artists still. He's selling out his Australia tour.

In a year everyone will move on, like they did for Jay-Z and Ja Rule and others at the losing end of rap beefs.
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Ja Rule's career never recovered from the 50 cent beef. The narrative around him only started to become slightly more positive after he reminded people of his discography at versus.

Meek Mill's another who I'd say didn't recover from losing to Drake.
 
Lemoor said:
Don't think it's much deeper than "she grew up in Compton, dated Drake and after they broke up he's been talking shit about her for some reason".
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Also Americans, even more so than people elsewhere, absolutely love everything about celebrities. So the more celebrities there are at a show, in a movie or in a song, the better. Take Marvel movies as an example. The story doesn't matter, as long as Iron Man, Ant-Man, Hulk, Black Widow, Green Watering Can or Saddam Hussein have a little cameo appearance. People go batshit crazy over this stuff.
 
Ja had a hit with R Kelly after the beef but his popularity was on the wane as people had become bored of the RnB hooks. 50 was the perfect person to come in and shift the industry
 
Lay said:
Ja had a hit with R Kelly after the beef but his popularity was on the wane as people had become bored of the RnB hooks. 50 was the perfect person to come in and shift the industry
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Then he started following the same formula.
 
hellhunter said:
Are people actually paying attention to rappers having beef with each other? Does it actually affect their careers?
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Of course. It's apart of the culture. Rappers have lost beefs in the past and never recovered. Some have kept it moving and kept on being successful. I think Drake will be fine though.

He has created enough of a legacy and is crossover enough that a lot people will not give a feck that he lost. He's lost in the past and still came back strong.

OL29 said:
Then he started following the same formula.
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Yup.
 
Lay said:
Ja had a hit with R Kelly after the beef but his popularity was on the wane as people had become bored of the RnB hooks. 50 was the perfect person to come in and shift the industry
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50 only really shifted the industry until Kanye blew up and he shifted it much more. 50s run from 2003-05 was good but hip hop took a much bigger shift after Kanye's first album and up to 2011, Watch The Throne was the last time Kanye made an album that wasn't at best mediocre.
 
OL29 said:
Ja Rule's career never recovered from the 50 cent beef. The narrative around him only started to become slightly more positive after he reminded people of his discography at versus.

Meek Mill's another who I'd say didn't recover from losing to Drake.
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Again, his career was already going down prior to 50.

Meek's career was derailed by jail and label nonsense, not the beef with Drake

afrocentricity said:
People forget, Ja had a nice run.... dipped into that rnb hip-hop fusion lane too. Like LL.... Like Wayne... Drake...
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He dived too deep and got type cast as the ballet rapper, and it got old, and he couldn't break out of it.

I don't think LL or Wayne or Drake made the full commitment to RnB fusion the way Ja did.
 
I'm pretty sure if you're going to arrange beef with another rapper for publicity you'd agree in advance not to have one call the other a pedo.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm pretty sure if you're going to arrange beef with another rapper for publicity you'd agree in advance not to have one call the other a pedo.
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It's kind of funny because from what I understand the beef was a publicity stunt from Drake, he was supposed to sign a new contract with his label and if the beef went well it may have added some figures on the check. He just picked the wrong rapper to beef with.
 
JPRouve said:
It's kind of funny because from what I understand the beef was a publicity stunt from Drake, he was supposed to sign a new contract with his label and if the beef went well it may have added some figures on the check. He just picked the wrong rapper to beef with.
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Eminem was smart in that he never feuded with a rapper who could hand his ass to him
 
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