Keir Starmer Labour Leader

MikeUpNorth said:
They certainly didn't tell him his office should interfere in the complaints process to block any investigation of complaints about Corbyn himself.
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I doubt that's the bit he disagrees with. I think everyone was aware at the time the amount of pressure the LOTO was under to interfere with cases to speed them up, and that's a big issue in the report.
 
Frosty said:
Even if Starmer didn't want to do this (and I think he probably did), he had no choice given he accepted the report in full.
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tbf if coryn hadnt disagreed with some of the report and said the problem was exaggerated then I dont think Starmer would have had the ammunition to do it... thankfully Jezbollah showed his usual nouce for politics / PR
 
Absolute banter timeline. Hopefully this tears the party apart and rightfully so.

I never want to see Labour in government again.
 
Frosty said:
A permanent Tory Government is not what the Left want, I imagine?
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I want a left wing Government. That's not a Labour government and the past 5 years have revealed that.

You can all keep your neoliberal party and have fun with it.
 
Untied said:
I want a left wing Government. That's not a Labour government and the past 5 years have revealed that.

You can all keep your neoliberal party and have fun with it.
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Damage reduction though.
 
Untied said:
I want a left wing Government. That's not a Labour government and the past 5 years have revealed that.

You can all keep your neoliberal party and have fun with it.
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Agreed, the party needs to split. It might be the wrong time to ask, but are you looking at another party, wanting to start a new one, or just giving up for a while?
 
Untied said:
I want a left wing Government. That's not a Labour government and the past 5 years have revealed that.

You can all keep your neoliberal party and have fun with it.
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I hate to say it but I feel the same and now genuinely politically homeless.

I despise the Tories, but can't in good conscience vote for Starmer's Labour, and this is after voting for him as leader in the leadership election. I live in a marginal seat too, ugh.
 
If the Party splits then surely all the left wingers in the PLP with safe seats get replaced by Starmer's choices in 2024 and the Labour Party remains the only viable opposition, only this time without a left wing voice in Parliament?
 
I hope the party does split. I certainly won't vote Labour again whilst Starmer is leader.
 
Anyway I won't say any more. We will just end up going round in circles again. It will be interesting to see how many MPs resign the Whip in protest at Corbyn though.
 
sebsheep said:
Say what now? :nervous:
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Untied said:
A reminder that a key initator of the EHRC report is the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, a 'charity' that was formed after the 2014 Gaza conflict in which Israel murdered over 2000 civilians, and was formed inresponse to the criticms of Israel in the aftermath that the founders considered unfair. It is in all likelihood funded, at least in part, by Israel (especially given what Al Jazeera has revealed about Israeli money going into the Jewish Labour Movement – the other key player in this report) given that one of its key aims seems to be to conflate anti-semitism with anti-Israel sentiment.
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Untied said:
Good. I've already left the party. We know that the party has decided that criticism of Israel = anti-semitism. The Israel Lobby won.

The fact that the entire thing is confected is revealed by the fact that this supposedly systemic issue just vanished as soon as Corbyn was no longer leader. Everyone celebrating the success of their campaign against antisemitism should be held responsible for the thousands of people currently uneccesarily dying from covid due to the poor government we are currently experiencing.
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Guess it was easy to miss with all the other stuff going on
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Frosty said:
If the Party splits then surely all the left wingers in the PLP with safe seats get replaced by Starmer's choices in 2024 and the Labour Party remains the only viable opposition, only this time without a left wing voice in Parliament?
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Yes, that is the inevitable outcome. It has already been set.
 
Frosty said:
Anyway I won't say any more. We will just end up going round in circles again. It will be interesting to see how many MPs resign the Whip in protest at Corbyn though.
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Any idea on how many might?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Sir Keith acting like a boss bitch.
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Being boss is suspending someone on spurious grounds when the EHRC has just condemned the Labour Party for allowing its disciplinary processes to be politically influenced and determined by the leaders office or political grounds rather than following a set protocol

Can you see how flagrantly hypocritical you all are?
 
Frosty said:
Anyway I won't say any more. We will just end up going round in circles again. It will be interesting to see how many MPs resign the Whip in protest at Corbyn though.
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Let's hope it's none.

As always, it was politically naive in the extreme from Corbyn. If UK politics needs the left of the Labour party to fracture from the centre let's hope for everyone's sake their smart enough to wait until the immediate furore dies down and the new party isn't immediately castigated as too anti-semitic for main stream politics.
 
Kaos said:
I hate to say it but I feel the same and now genuinely politically homeless.

I despise the Tories, but can't in good conscience vote for Starmer's Labour, and this is after voting for him as leader in the leadership election. I live in a marginal seat too, ugh.
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We don't have a left wing voice of much use in parliament anyway - Marcus Rashford has probably done more than any left winger in the last couple of years to effect change.

I think this "I can't in good conscience vote for Starmer's Labour" is knee-jerk and fatally ignores that greater harm that Johnson's (or Sunak's) are will effect on our country and its people.
 
Guys, Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing with that statement, and by releasing it before the leader of the party held their press conference. Don't get drawn into his games.

All he had to say was: "I welcome the publication of the Equalities and Human Rights Council report and accept its findings. I apologise for the historic failings of the Labour Party in its tackling of anti-semitism and for my role in that. The leader has my full support in implementing the recommendations of the report in full."
 
NinjaFletch said:
Let's hope it's none.

As always, it was politically naive in the extreme from Corbyn. If UK politics needs the left of the Labour party to fracture from the centre let's hope for everyone's sake their smart enough to wait until the immediate furore dies down and the new party isn't immediately castigated as too anti-semitic for main stream politics.
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I could see Abbott and McDonnell doing so, given their age and the likelihood of this being their last Parliament in any event.

Not so sure any of the younger members of the Socialist Campaign Group would do so.

Here is the full membership list:


The 34 current members are listed on the Campaign Group’s[77] Twitter account as:
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Guys, Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing with that statement, and by releasing it before the leader of the party held their press conference. Don't get drawn into his games. All he had to say was: "I welcome the publication of the Equalities and Human Rights Council report and accept its findings. I apologise for the historic failings of the Labour Party in its tackling of anti-semitism and for my role in that. The leader has my full support in implementing the recommendations of the report in full."
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It is entirely possible that as we've been told for the last years, Corbyn is stubborn and naive, and actually does feel that the report is unfair.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Guys, Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing with that statement, and by releasing it before the leader of the party held their press conference. Don't get drawn into his games. All he had to say was: "I welcome the publication of the Equalities and Human Rights Council report and accept its findings. I apologise for the historic failings of the Labour Party in its tackling of anti-semitism and for my role in that. The leader has my full support in implementing the recommendations of the report in full."
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I still think he wasn't expecting any action to be taken against him though.
 
Shamwow said:
It is entirely possible that as we've been told for the last years, Corbyn is stubborn and naive, and actually does feel that the report is unfair.
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That's undoubtedly the case and has been his consistent position. He doesn't stand a chance.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
That's undoubtedly the case and has been his consistent position. He doesn't stand a chance.
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Putting on my cynical hat, it does conveniently allow that particular strand of the narrative to come to a definitive conclusion at least, assuming that the disciplinary case against him is successful.
 
Shamwow said:
We don't have a left wing voice of much use in parliament anyway - Marcus Rashford has probably done more than any left winger in the last couple of years to effect change.

I think this "I can't in good conscience vote for Starmer's Labour" is knee-jerk and fatally ignores that greater harm that Johnson's (or Sunak's) are will effect on our country and its people.
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If the electorate still amazingly decides to reward this corrupt, inept Tory regime with another term then that's their prerogative. I'll vote for whatever party represents my values.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Guys, Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing with that statement, and by releasing it before the leader of the party held their press conference. Don't get drawn into his games.

All he had to say was: "I welcome the publication of the Equalities and Human Rights Council report and accept its findings. I apologise for the historic failings of the Labour Party in its tackling of anti-semitism and for my role in that. The leader has my full support in implementing the recommendations of the report in full."
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Starmer was touring the country, speaking at Labour Party meetings across the country whilst he was Brexit secretary. He's the one with a longstanding agenda.
 
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