Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Still distorting the truth with spurious links, regurgitated smears and yet more Guido URL's I see. When will you learn...
Most of your list of distortions are based on attending events to maintain dialogue for a peace process. Maybe the fact check link below is a starting point to give you some insight.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland
Regarding Starmer, do you genuinely belive most of the public want the spycops bill to pass?
I’d be surprised if most of the public are even aware of such a bill.
That would carry more weight if you could find a similar list for the times he met with members of the UDA. Corbyn was no John Hume.
Yeah and probably will support the consequences when the home office and border force start torturing migrants and sabotaging crossings.
EHRC report is due out tomorrow.
Starmer is giving a speech at 11am.
Sorry to come across as an ITK but Labour will be monitoring social media and suspending any members who are critical of the report.
Starmer is giving a speech at 11am.
Sorry to come across as an ITK but Labour will be monitoring social media and suspending any members who are critical of the report.
Hopefully any mps who question the ehrc or who don't accept the findings will be gone as well
That does come across as pretty ITK.
A reminder that a key initator of the EHRC report is the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, a 'charity' that was formed after the 2014 Gaza conflict in which Israel murdered over 2000 civilians, and was formed inresponse to the criticms of Israel in the aftermath that the founders considered unfair. It is in all likelihood funded, at least in part, by Israel (especially given what Al Jazeera has revealed about Israeli money going into the Jewish Labour Movement – the other key player in this report) given that one of its key aims seems to be to conflate anti-semitism with anti-Israel sentiment.
I know. We all end up as the things we hate don't we?
I have a friend who works in HQ and he let me know. They are hoping for loads of members who they suspect of anti-Semitism but don't have the evidence to suspend to start criticising the report.
So this for example, if it were tweeted by a member, would lead to their suspension.
Quality control
So basically its the Jews fault?
Your a classy chap ain't ya
So your telling people in order that those suspected of anti semitism refrain from posting something so that they can stay in the party?
Good. I've already left the party. We know that the party has decided that criticism of Israel = anti-semitism. The Israel Lobby won.
The fact that the entire thing is confected is revealed by the fact that this supposedly systemic issue just vanished as soon as Corbyn was no longer leader. Everyone celebrating the success of their campaign against antisemitism should be held responsible for the thousands of people currently uneccesarily dying from covid due to the poor government we are currently experiencing.
At least I don't read fecking Guido and pretend IM the anti-racist you absolute joke
Well this is going to be a fun thread in the coming days.
Hi mods... something about attack the post not the poster.... oh and basically the last post which seems to blame Israel and Jewish organisations for antisemitism
No, quite the opposite. I don't know how many here are both anti-Semites and members of RedCafe (although I would love to see that Venn diagram).
From experience in my CLP (which was utterly horrible) the anti-Semites on social media will get suspended and expelled sooner rather than later.
Or those on the Left who hate the idea of implementing the EHRC recommendations will have left the party, or will soon leave. That being said, if you (and the mods) think this is a warning and would be a bad idea, I am more than willing to delete all mentions.
Immediately responding (or in this case pre-empting) a report on anti-semitism by claiming it was orchestrated by Israel is quite a look in itself but then seeming to lay responsibility for COVID deaths at their feet too is just.... *chef's kiss*
ClassicJews Israel, manipulating people to their own ends as always. Some people just can't see the obvious anti-semitic tropes truth.
Classic
No that makes sense to me... as I say my inital thoughts were why would you want to warn people
Hopefully as you say most who will resist the ehrc recommendations will hopefully have gone already or soon will
and how do you come to that logical conclusion?
As far as I can tell the "logic" is
Amtisemitism is just something made up by Israel to undermine Corbyn and if it wasnt for that Corbyn would be PM and if corbyn was PM he would have magically stopped the death lurgy and therefore Covid deaths are israels fault... basically its those pesky jews and their secret illiminati style cabal running the world to blame again
Or some tropy twisted version of that - frankly its hard to follow racist "logic"
perhaps @Untied can "enlighten" us further? or you know apologise for his racist tropetacular post?
(though I suspect he will tell us hes not racist and its actually an Israeli funded conspiracy?)
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Isn't the report EHRC released today? Yesterday must have been like Christmas Eve for some...
I half expect it to find that unfortunately socialism is now antisemitism because it leads to tropes about wealthy people controlling things. Thus, the key recommendation is that Labour must only ever be led by centrists because the left are all rabid antisemites.
I half expect it to find that unfortunately socialism is now antisemitism because it leads to tropes about wealthy people controlling things. Thus, the key recommendation is that Labour must only ever be led by centrists because the left are all rabid antisemites.
Mr Slander quickly edited your post there
There's nothing racist about what he posted, no idea if he can back it up but explicitly calling him racist is ridiculous. Lobby groups exist (as they do on most issues) and they've lobbied on this matter, pointing that out isn't denying anti-semitism. Bad actors (like the guy who submitted hundreds of nonsense complaints) can exist whilst there also being a genuine issue which of course there is in society.
I edited it to put the right @ in thereMr Slander quickly edited your post there
There's nothing racist about what he posted, no idea if he can back it up but explicitly calling him racist is ridiculous. Lobby groups exist (as they do on most issues) and they've lobbied on this matter, pointing that out isn't denying anti-semitism. Bad actors (like the guy who submitted hundreds of nonsense complaints) can exist whilst there also being a genuine issue which of course there is in society.
Do you agree that the Israel lobby are responsible for covid deaths - or do you think that that is a ridiculous conspiracy theory
By the way - before the findings are published Ill say that whatever they say Ill accept and that whatever the recommendations are should be implemented ... will you do the same?
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So the only evidence of unlawful anti-Semitic remarks the EHRC could find was people denying that anti-semitism is a problem. The denial of a problem is proof that the problem exists. Amazing.
Didn't say anything about Jews or the Jewish community. I'm talking about people like Stephen Pollard (non-Jew), David Miliband, Ian Austin, all of the Labour right, who did everything possible to stop a left-wing government. Any excess deaths as a result of the current government are on them.
The anti-semitism crisis has definitely been orchestrated by the Israel Lobby. I suggest you read the book of the same title by noted Jewish political scientist John Mearsheimer, to understand how that works. Or watch the Al Jazeera documentary The Lobby, which documents how the Israeli embassy in London actively funded groups within the Labour Party including the same people who appeared in the Panorama documentary as 'whistleblowers'.
Of course liberals who have spent years getting in a hissy fit about essentially non-existent Russian interference in Brexit have nothing to say about far more evidenced Israeli interference in UK politics.
Honestly everyone just wants to be able a malevolent government and then just pretend they have no responsibility for its actions.
Ahh yes the current government is managing Covid perfectly and there have definitely not been any additional deaths that good have been avoided with better management.
You of course refuse to engage with the fact that Israel has been directly involved in the weaponisation of antisemitism around the world, and that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism has been the deliberate (and successful) aim of this period in British politics. Well done everyone. We can now no longer criticise Israeli influence without being antisemitic. Great job.
Didn't say anything about Jews or the Jewish community. I'm talking about people like Stephen Pollard (non-Jew), David Miliband, Ian Austin, all of the Labour right, who did everything possible to stop a left-wing government. Any excess deaths as a result of the current government are on them.
The anti-semitism crisis has definitely been orchestrated by the Israel Lobby. I suggest you read the book of the same title by noted Jewish political scientist John Mearsheimer, to understand how that works. Or watch the Al Jazeera documentary The Lobby, which documents how the Israeli embassy in London actively funded groups within the Labour Party including the same people who appeared in the Panorama documentary as 'whistleblowers'.
Of course liberals who have spent years getting in a hissy fit about essentially non-existent Russian interference in Brexit have nothing to say about far more evidenced Israeli interference in UK politics.
Honestly everyone just wants to be able a malevolent government and then just pretend they have no responsibility for its actions.
Ahh yes the current government is managing Covid perfectly and there have definitely not been any additional deaths that good have been avoided with better management.
You of course refuse to engage with the fact that Israel has been directly involved in the weaponisation of antisemitism around the world, and that the conflation of antisemitism with antizionism has been the deliberate (and successful) aim of this period in British politics. Well done everyone. We can now no longer criticise Israeli influence without being antisemitic. Great job.
I still don't see the correlation between being against anti-semitism and then for having that stance being directly responsible for covid deaths. So how do you explain it?
lets see what action starmer is going to take then
As expected really, serious failings that predated Corbyn but they fixed a fair amount of the issues in late 2018. I don't think there's anything in it that we didn't already know.
Does that report really justify the witch hunt?
Does that report really justify the witch hunt?
The report can be found here - http://sentpressrelease.com/pressre...ion-into-antisemitism-in-the-labour-party.pdf
Thats pretty bad
I'd suggest people read it rather than relying on the snippets sun tzu is just trying to frantically collect 
I am reading it... its pretty scathing ref LOTO and political interference... lets see what starmer is going to do about itI'd suggest people read it rather than relying on the snippets sun tzu is just trying to frantically collect
link to starmers conference due to start at 11:07
https://labour.org.uk/ehrc-report/?...il&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-bdd465acc3-190529473
Let's see what Starmer does here. It would be the height of hypocrisy for him to sweep this under the carpet after criticising Boris for not following advice from SAGE.
Yeah it's a failure but rather than your headline snippets the section clearly lays out that's it's mainly a failure of process and the examples of interference are inappropriate and due to a lack of formal process rather than the leaders office making decisions. It even explains that a lot of that is a lack of clarity on how to handle complaints around key staff and MPs which the party had a policy of getting involved in.
Lets be honest the majority of that report beyond the dickheads we knew about like Livingstone equates to the process not being up to scrap, lack of training and formal procedures etc. All of which was true prior to Corbyn, the failure of Corbyn here is that it took him so long to implement improvements especially with the impact of social media coming to the fore. The not accepting complaints about 'likes' is something i'd not heard and is a load of bollocks though.
Formby despite the attacks made against her did move the procedures and processes to a much better place when she took over.
given LOTO's interference in cases I wonder if that will apply to Corbyn and Formby
Let's take Ian Austin. Deliberately weaponised antisemitism, despite comparing Corbyn supporting Jewish members to the Vichy Government yesterday, actively campaigned for a Conservative government, which has undoubtedly killed people through its response to covid.
Ian Austin simultaneously wants us to believe that Corbyn is/was a grave, perhaps physical threat, to British Jews, whilst enabling a government that has starved someone based on their immigration status and has lead to the unnecessary deaths of 1000s of people. By his own standards he should be held responsible for those.