Keir Starmer Labour Leader

I'll vote for labour if they don't go too far to the right, but it's going to be in the same way a lot of people voted for Corbyn's labour. It's going to be a feck the tories vote, not because I think it will lead to the policies I most want. And let's face it "feck the tories" only goes so far.

I don’t think we’re that far apart politically.

I’m just past the point of dreaming about what I want. I just want the countries outlook to not make my skin crawl at every turn.
 
That depends how far it goes. If it causes constant internal ruptures that lead to Labour going into the next election campaign divided, then in a way yes its a form of unintentional support for the Tories. There's plenty of time and room for disagreements on policy in the years to come of course, but when the election rolls around again it becomes binary. Even now there are going to be repurcussions if people aren't careful, the public image of Starmer is likely to be formed over these early months and very hard to change later. If he's continually under attack from his own party, then it may well brand him as a liability in the public mind.

Christ we're through the looking glass aren't we
 
I'm not feeling deflated, I'm super happy with how Keir is running the party. Could it be perhaps that you're just feeling the same thing many of us did when Corbyn was running things?
Let's hope not or the Labour party will conspire to lose yet another election.

I’m tired of watching people throw away the good in a pointless demand for the perfect.
Ditto.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html
 
I'll vote for labour if they don't go too far to the right, but it's going to be in the same way a lot of people voted for Corbyn's labour. It's going to be a feck the tories vote, not because I think it will lead to the policies I most want. And let's face it "feck the tories" only goes so far.

When did you last get a government that lead to the policies you most want?
 
When did you last get a government that lead to the policies you most want?
Worth pointing out that it’s the same answer for almost all Tories.
a lot of UKIP voters managed to get the policy they most wanted by saying the tories aren't brexity enough, this line of thinking will only make me vote green tbh. if the two realistic options only want to win above all else, why would i not vote for a fringe party and hope they decide to appeal to me rather than the other fringe parties

how many people managed to change a specific policy from within the system vs. change policy by making it impossible for the establishment to stay without co-opting it?
 
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Tbf this was pretty anti-Semitic.

There’s no way the Israeli police would train someone to kneel on the neck of a grown man. They are trained to shoot children in the back from a safe distance.
 
“The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”

I know how sensitive this is, and appreciate that it’s proven to be wrong... but that’s not anti Semitic. Surely? Stupid and wrong, but not racist.

The Israeli Police are not a race.

It’s probably not worth a pedantic rake over of all that went before. But that’s a really weird angle and conclusion and I know very little about her.
 
And this was the person people wanted to replace Corbyn..
How the hell do you justify sacking someone for sharing an article that contains a fact, that US police officers have been trained in Israel? And that's hardly the main point of the article.

Starmer has just ripped the party apart. Dumb.
 
If you fancy travelling, you can even take a seminar yourself. If not, just watch the video that has the knee on the neck tactic as its thumbnail and see if you learn anything from that.
https://israelitacticalkravmaga.com/events/germany-4-days-intensive-krav-maga-course/
Krav - a martial art developed in Czech republic ... being taught in Germany to civilians for cash by from what I can see somebody who is 100% not a mossad operative
How is that the same as saying the Israel sent over active military to train American police in how to kill civilians
 
Krav - a martial art developed in Czech republic ... being taught in Germany to civilians for cash by from what I can see somebody who is 100% not a mossad operative
How is that the same as saying the Israel sent over active military to train American police in how to kill civilians
I love how selectively you read that page, sun. It's always a joy.
 
How the hell do you justify sacking someone for sharing an article that contains a fact, that US police officers have been trained in Israel? And that's hardly the main point of the article.

Starmer has just ripped the party apart. Dumb.

or perhaps He is being seen as someone with zero tolerance, and as an added bonus getting rid of someone who is associated with one of the worst opposition leaders we have ever had.