Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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The wars we've been in recently have nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the US. Moving away from the EU will inevitably lead to us moving closer to the Americans. No doubt that will involve us getting dragged into whatever shenanigans they engage in. We've been happy enough to do that voluntarily the past few decades but retaining the ability to stay out of it would be nice.
We do have written constitution(s) that provides all that, we just don't have a single codified constitution.
We wouldn't need a codified constitution for PR it'd just need new/amended constitutions to be written.
The idea of a single codified constitution sounds appealing but it depends who forms it doesn't it. It could easily be detrimental and hinder progress (see the US).
So Starmer supported it, but he didn't know what the full reasons were, and still doesn't - but at least there weren't troops on the ground. The future is dim.
Harold Wilson, was last British PM to turn down the US invitation 'to get involved' ....with Vietnam. Perhaps Wilson was trying to convince General de Gaulle to reverse his 'non' to our entry to the EEC, to prove we were not going to be the US insider in the EEC?
Actually, I was referring to your comment about keeping Britain relevant... the question being, who benefits from Britain being relevant? Being in or out of the EU makes no difference, both the EU and us go where we are pushed by the US, because the US bares the brunt of NATO costs (well it will until Trump gets back!).
Indeed, and anyone hoping we might change is living in a dream world, 'precedence' is what governs us in reality and who set the precedents?
Average labour member -
Can I shock you? I like Trussonomics. Despite what I said earlier.
Will definitely happen. The right wing press will be in full election mode in line with Tory campaigns while they attack Labour.
Average labour member -
She's in the wrong party.
He really is this person
There is only one party now in Britain. Enlightenment centrism wins again!
Too late mate, Muslims ain't voting for you even if you go to Israel and give Netanyahu a slap.
He wasn't in the running to become PM then.
What you say and do in opposition can be a lot different to when you are the PM.
Sadly, but its a fact of life that millions of people seem to forget, reality changes everything.
'Can I shock you? I like Israeli racism, despite what I said earlier'
Average labour member -
Am I the only person who would rather have properly funded, NHS, Education System, Police Force, and Welfare System than lower taxes?
Average labour member -
He’s nowhere near the top 5%!
I think the picture is to show that the crowd are P'd off by the idea. Nobody looks happy about it.
Pretty sure the next day there was a daily mail article talking about this guy love of expensive motor bikes.
For whatever reason rich people in the UK both want to keep all their wealth and also say they are working class. It’s very unusual.
You're right. Let's just accept that politicians never need to have any integrity or stand by their beliefs or promises. They should just be able to flip flop around constantly on any issue, and then gaslight people into thinking they're not doing that
Normally I'd agree, but spending has been so bad over the last decade that we've managed to simultaneously make virtually all infrastructure worse and raise taxes to one of the highest levels they've ever been.
I am honestly shocked that Joel and Avram Glazer are not in charge of the UK.
At least they eventually realised they weren't very good at their job and got some help.
Your learning!...I have a lifetime of such experiences, yet I still amble along to the polling booth at Election time. Why you might ask? (or not)... because now and again you come across that rare politician who isn't grandstanding, and does believe in what they saying (even if I disagreed) and does carry out what they say they will. Maggie Thatcher was one.... however beliefs more acceptable to me, were Frank Field and the late Tony Lloyd.
Nope, she's in the right party right now. Labour under Starmer is just Tories 2.
Starmers constant flip flopping simply shows the lack of integrity the guy has. His opinions are all based on political feedback rather than his own beliefs.
Starmer is a populist like so many of the current politicians.
Sounds as if they're preparing the public to say they're not going to do anything because there's no money and they've no idea how to get the country moving forward or grow the economy. Starmer, Reeves, Streeting, Cooper - don't inspire much hope.
"At least we're not the Tories" will be what they'll run on, despite writing his 5 mission fantasy waffle, version 3 or 4, lost track. they're all roughly the same but the latest one has a large photo of Starmer in a camouflage jacket.
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Isn't that exactly the problem that Corbyn had, however? He was so rigid in his positions and beliefs (as laudible as some were), that he was easily skewered by the press and opponents for his inflexibility (see: Brexit, the Middle East, etc)? Pragmatism isn't a bad thing.
Pragmatism good. Complete abandonment of anything you've ever believed in, or indeed campaigned on, not so good.
God tier shit posting
The Israel has the right to commit war crimes guy has stepped back onto the stage for his encore.
Corbyn would have been skewered by the press whatever he said or did. What is the point in playing on the fence mealy mouthed politics when they're just going to lie and misrepresent you anyway? They consistently did that to him even when he had actual positions that could have been fairly criticised
The spineless coward has definitely seen the clip, he just can't bring himself to admit the obvious fact that it was a war crime at risk of upsetting the likes of Rachel Riley and Luciana Berger.
It's ok though, he'll wheel out his usual lip service as to how Palestinians probably do deserve a state.
We need to see this en mass:
No, you're not. I actually like safety nets in society. I like the idea of knowing I could get a doctor's appointment if and when I need one.
I think nunchuks are already illegal, so ninja turtles in Britain will be limited to just sai and bo staffs in future.
That tweet, and the replies, are the reason I haven't left Twitter
