I think the caveat was a 'temporary' ceasefire, read what you will into that.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Honestly, he's beyond contempt. Every single day there's something which absolutely grates with me. I feel sorry for those who think it's all an act so that he can be PM. Time and again, he's showing you who he is. It's not an act.
Fur QC.
Orwellian
Very disappointing from Starmer. I would hope a huge majority of Labour MPs disagree with him and warn him they will act if he continues in the same vein.
War is Peace. We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
Kind of worrying that our next PM seemingly has no moral compass.
I am genuinely contemplating voting Tory to get rid of Keir but then I remember Patel, Suella, Gove, Hunt, etc. being part of the Tories. Plus I am sure Keir has factored in the votes he would gain or lose by having this stance and is pretty confident of a win.
You'd vote for a party that is even worse than Keir (and I imagine even further away from your political stance) in order to get rid of Keir?
That's nuts. Voting Tory can never be the answer.
I know Tories are worse in every way but if the margin of Keir's victory is reduced may be he doesn't move to the right on every policy as he has been doing. I don't know how to make my vote count to put that point across.
Apologies for joining the pile on, but is there not another party that, you know, isn't racist and corrupt, that could get your vote instead?
I'm considering voting green instead of labour to send a tiny message that I want something left of current labour.
Labour has become our version of Democrats. Hypocrites basically.
Yia this is my view as well. I could never understand Eboue, why he wouldn't vote for Democrats over Trump, being the lesser of two evils. Now I understand him perfectly.
Totally agree.
Starmer is deceptive, authoritarian and lacks vision. He will be a terrible PM.
Yep, I've always found this retort of 'voting anything but Labour is a vote for the Tories' to be painfully reductionist and frankly condescending. The only basis behind a genuine democracy is to vote for who you think is right, not who is the least awful. I don't want to vote for a Starmer led government, but that doesn't mean I'm pitching in with the Tories either.
Abstention is also a virtue of democracy, while the consequences might be extremely unfortunate, so would my conscience being held culpable for directly propping up someone who I'd always hold in contempt. At least I'd have control over the latter.
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Starmer is quite right to say it shouldn't be up to politicians to declare that war crimes have been committed.
Except in Ukraine, when he was calling a war crime a war crime and describing Putin as a war criminal.
Except in Ukraine, when he was calling a war crime a war crime and describing Putin as a war criminal.
Seeing what he does with the little power he has now, as Labour leader, I shudder to think the way he will treat people who don't agree with him once he becomes PM.
I think he will be beyond useless. Dithering and going back and forth on every decision, before being booted out at the next election.
My main worry is how dictatorial he has been while running the Labour party. thousands of life time Labour members kicked from the party. I fear how he will treat any who show descent once he has judicial power behind him.
I think he will be that draconian in relation to the Labour Party. I just think he will couple that with a stunning level of incompetence elsewhere.
His authoritarian streak has always worried me greatly, even before he abandoned every pledge he was elected on and we ended up where we are now. I've always feared that he's capable of some seriously terrible draconian legislation being enacted and his actions and pronouncements over the last couple of years have done nothing to calm that fear.
Agree, although I think abstaining opens its own can of worms. We should exercise our vote in any context.
I've been a Labour vote my entire life - and, in light of recent events, I'm now considering Green or (marginally considering Lib Dems).
It's crazy how Keir might not win the next GE given just how awful, incompetent and despicable this Tory government has been. The next GE should have been an open goal for him, but he's managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Never voting Labour again
I was considering the Lib Dems, but I think they've pulled out of my consistency under some sort of 'understanding' with Labour, regarding marginal votes making all the difference.
As for the Greens, I have a lot of time for them but those 20mph zones have been an utter war crime
(and I drive an EV and am very much in favour of initiatives like ULEZ as well as pedestrianisation, but the torturous slugging through those roads man!).They aren't winning the election anyway, so I'd probably throw my hat in with them as a protest vote if I ultimately decide against abstention. Secretly hoping the Lib Dems reneg on their agreement and just stand here though.
He's trying to win back the youth vote via beatboxing his answers to journalists' questions.
Yeah I can't vote for this prick and I know a fair few lifelong Labour voters that now feel the same way.
Maybe he's trying to dismantle the two party monopoly by making them as unelectable as the Tories.
Maybe he's trying to dismantle the two party monopoly by making them as unelectable as the Tories.
Keir is a lot of things, but I don't think he is stupid. He must have the data to show that supporting Israel no matter what is his best chance to win the election.
This is the most hostile public reaction Starmer has ever faced.
Its simpler than that. Trevor Chinn, a lobbyist for Israel, gave him (not the party, starmer personally) £50,000.
As when Google took him out for the day and when private health investor John Armitage gave him money, suddently they became pro AI and pro provate health, so it is with Israel.
It's on video and so, as the last fortnight has proved, he'll just pretend it never happened.
I would say for most this is a non issue people care about health, education, crime and the economy, they are the policies that won you an election and the ones I'd say the majority of people vote for, foreign policy outside of immigration is not a key issue I'd say people even think about by and large with their voting intention it'd just something that happens when the government forms and takes power.
Most parties in this country are putting out the same statements on this which tells you they all feel that most people won't be fussed by this come voting time which is probably right.
£50,000 is not much for him surely. I don't know his background but Sancho won't even get out of bed for £500k a week. Changing your views for £50k doesn't seem likely to me.
The piano music. Absolutely no shame.
The piano music. Absolutely no shame.
feckin charlatan.
You could buy Starmer for a packet of Rolos.
The piano music. Absolutely no shame.
Alexis Sanchez vibes.
Seriously, though, can anyone understand this position?
I think you’re underestimating the UK public a bit here. Foreign policy will differentiate voters especially if there is minimal differentiation on the key issues that you mention. We’re seeing that minimal differentiation with Labour’s move to the right. The Palestine issue was the straw that broke the camel’s back, not just for me but a significant portion of Labour voters.