It's almost like Starmer did it on purpose to a) aid the Tories and b) show what a shit politician he is.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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It fascinates me that when the Tories are doing such an awful job and fecking up left, right and centre, he still doesn’t manage to capitalise on it and instead brings himself into negative focus instead.
They always do this.
Absolute bellend.
They always do this.
Absolute bellend.
We don't know what he was instructed to do or threatened with by outside parties/interest groups.
Even from his position of strength he's too scared to make bold positions. He has a very set political position (to have no real position) and you won't see him budge from it. Corbyn had the same fault, fixated on pre-agreed messaging they falter at every major hurdle that demands a more nuanced approach.
From what I've gathered he's just following what America does and scared shitless of the anti-Semitism stuff however this whole issue needs an individual response. They are not the party of power so he should have allowed a free vote even if he felt different.
Interesting if the poll was to be done again in a week, that number will fall significantly.
Who would British Muslims move their votes to?
I'd feel like a right cnut voting for Labour.
Now that Ed Davey has called for a ceasefire I’d assume Lib Dem. Quite a few will abstain altogether though.
Libs or greens... Perhaps even the BNP going by the black mirror world we're living in.
Absolutely.
Callous.
Don’t be rude to Jesse or she will change her vote on genocide
The left in this country can't fecking help themselves. 
It's actually appalling how much the right gets away with it because of splitting. Jess Phillips has actually listened to what people she represents feel about the issue and you have the above poster spitting in her fecking face
It's actually appalling how much the right gets away with it because of splitting. Jess Phillips has actually listened to what people she represents feel about the issue and you have the above poster spitting in her fecking face
Having read that several times, I'm not sure that's what she's suggesting. But it is terribly written and can be read as that.
That’s both insulting to the left and Jess Phillips.The left in this country can't fecking help themselves.
It's actually appalling how much the right gets away with it because of splitting. Jess Phillips has actually listened to what people she represents feel about the issue and you have the above poster spitting in her fecking face
You basically said she'd want genocide if you hurt her fragile feeling. Who's meant to be insulting?
It's obvious that she is saying that she was going to vote in line with the whip until the strength of feeling of her constituents was explained to her and that had they yelled and been aggressive she wouldn't have been as open, you know since it's 1) throwing her career in a potential government where she can actually get stuff done for them and 2) Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group just invaded, then killed and kidnapped a load of Jews so not hard to see why a war is merited
It's technically right, killings carried out during a time of war are classified differently from those killed outside of the boundaries of war.
I personally think it's BS, but it's technically right.
Glad we agree.
Also I want to distance myself from any comment that suggests Phillips has feelings.
For my own sanity I have to believe people aren’t this stupid.
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Interesting that you think that not being influenced by someone who is aggressive is the same thing as being influenced by someone being aggressive
Oh so what should any country do in the event that another country's leadership plans a coordinated assault on your people, targeting civilians and kidnapping others?
Leave them in power with a plea to be nicer? Or go to war to remove the threat?
I think the general consensus of people with an ounce of compassion is that a country like that should develop a plan that is more reasonable than 'let's just bomb the shit out of the whole of the offenders' nation, making no distinction between civilians and government, and see if anyone is left standing at the end of it'.
you’re as bad as the ‘where’s you poppy’ lot
Before October 7th, Palestinians were still under an occupation, still under a blockade, still indiscriminately killed, maimed and harassed, still living in an apartheid state, still given no right to return. There had already been over 200 Palestinian deaths prior to October 7th. The list goes on but you get the gist.
People can choose to wear a poppy or not, people can impotently demand a ceasefire before the US if they want. If anything I'm supporting Jess Phillips' right to take a shit with her clothes on, while she gets spat upon for daring to 'be on the right side of history' for a reason other than what Sweet Square thinks is the purest.
I grew up on a diet of John Pilger documentaries and know the Palestine reality from their perspective, but I'm not 18 anymore and learned that there was another valid side to the story and the cause of occupation not being entirely based on racism as I grew up thinking, but based on security. Gaining a better understanding of the history of the conflict led to empathy to both sides.
However you cannot expect Israel to allow Hamas to maintain power or keep their arms after last month. Obviously Israel need to do the right thing by the Gazans in terms of minimising loss and allowing refuge and humanitarian aid in but they have a legitimate military objective now thanks to Hamas
There is no conflict between two countries happening here.
Keir Starmer has said Jeremy Corbyn’s “days as a Labour MP are over” after the former party leader repeatedly refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation.
Starmer said his predecessor, who lost the party whip in 2020, would not stand as a Labour MP at “the next election or any election”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...yn-will-never-be-labour-mp-again-keir-starmer
Starmer said his predecessor, who lost the party whip in 2020, would not stand as a Labour MP at “the next election or any election”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...yn-will-never-be-labour-mp-again-keir-starmer
Yes, they're very clearly trying to minimise civilian losses. How dishonest can you be?
Islington is my local seat. I’ve voted Labour my entire life. This post is spot on.
Finally, something to warm my cold cold heart.
Starmer has had nerves of steel this week and kept his cool.
Nothing he says, (or Sunak for that matter) about the conflict in Gaza will change a thing in that terrible situation. However, what has he signalled about his leadership is that he's not going down the road of playing 'international socialist' like so many who have led the Labour party in recent times and that has kept them out of power and the Tory's in power, for over a decade.
Yes, it may come back to bite him in a GE, in that he may still win an overall majority, but will he have a large enough majority to really bring some Labour ideas to fruition in Government and to move the dial positively in favour of the majority of people who keep the wheels turning in the UK.
Nothing he says, (or Sunak for that matter) about the conflict in Gaza will change a thing in that terrible situation. However, what has he signalled about his leadership is that he's not going down the road of playing 'international socialist' like so many who have led the Labour party in recent times and that has kept them out of power and the Tory's in power, for over a decade.
Yes, it may come back to bite him in a GE, in that he may still win an overall majority, but will he have a large enough majority to really bring some Labour ideas to fruition in Government and to move the dial positively in favour of the majority of people who keep the wheels turning in the UK.
My reading of it is that he's shown poor leadership and a needless authoritative streak.
As you say, nothing he or any other Labour MPs will say on the matter will change anything. So rather than let them vote with their conscience (and their constituents) he willingly and unnecessary sacrificed hand-picked members of his shadow cabinet and alienated potential voters in order to look like a political strongman.
And in a week or so, when the US call for a ceasefire, he'll inevitably change his tune as call for one himself.
Exactly. Rudderless "leadership". Such a cynical and stereotypical politician. His uninspiring lack of ideas will not take this country out of the mess its in. He will take direction from his biggest donors.
Looks like Labour arent going to object to benefits cuts (either through using the lower inflation figure / sanctions), and in fact have doubled down on it. Unlikely also that they will commit to reversing any cut in inheritance tax that might be announced this week. There must be a lot of people in the PLP choking on their own vomit, whilst smiling and waiving copies of the daily mail around for the camera.
He's not a great tactician and he's not particularly nimble. This is isn't the first example.
On the other hand, there's not a position on either side of the debate that had or could have any impact on actual events and it won't matter a jot in electoral terms.
I would imagine with a lot of this, he is trying to act as if he was in government, so he probably did not want to get too far outside the US position. That's a challenge for many in the party to come to terms with I think.
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This is what Liz Kendall said in response to the announcement as far as I can tell she's not really saying the government isn't being callous enough. She's talking about the need for reform, unless there is a different quote that I've missed.
"Shadow work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall said: “This poor excuse of a proposal does nothing to fundamentally change the state of our health service or our Jobcentres after a decade of failure from the Tories. A record 7.8 million people are still stuck on NHS waiting lists and 2.6 million people are trapped out of work due to long term sickness, with the increase since the pandemic alone costing the taxpayer an extra £15.7 billion a year.
“A healthy nation is critical to a healthy economy. But look beneath the bonnet of today’s announcement and you will see more of the same: a failing approach that doesn’t even scratch the surface of the problem.”
Source.
Starmer to the right of Henry Kissinger's pillow fluffer and torture flight enabler.