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Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Some left wing MPs are apparently really dumb..
The Canary is a joke, I wouldn’t pay much attention.
Not someone Im familiar with, but its a shame there's two white men as leader and gen sec. But there we go, Im sure he has his merits.
Looks like Starmer’s done for after this damning piece in The Telegraph. Once you open the can of hypocrisy worms there is no way back.
I’m amazed Tom Harwood is a columnist in the Telegraph.
The desperation!
I've noticed that Tom was calling out people for politicising the issue earlier. What's he doing here then?
Says a lot for the Telegraph to be honest, at this point they are worse than the Mail.
They're trying to appeal to a younger audience. Harwood has that antagonistic trolling style reflective of the era that he grew up in. It's grating.
Think Starmer would be wise to keep out of the debate RE: Cummings
People have already picked their side and won't be swayed, there's nothing to be gained politically from keep forcing the issue in my opinion
Starmer should focus on pressing the real issues at hand now i.e. Brexit and easing of lockdown
People have already picked their side and won't be swayed, there's nothing to be gained politically from keep forcing the issue in my opinion
Starmer should focus on pressing the real issues at hand now i.e. Brexit and easing of lockdown
His student campaigns - and their utter lack of seriousness - say it all: it's Johnson all over again - everything's a laugh, because they're never the ones who are left to pay the bill.
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100% agree
The final round of EU-UK trade talks before the extension deadline starts on Monday
With no deal such a realistic and close deadline he should be holding the governments feet to the flames of
People will still hate cummings in a month and go after him then but dont just let us slide into no deal without reminding everybody the government said this wouldn't happen and a deal would be easy
On a more serious note than cans of hypocrisy worms, there has been a backlash to the appointment of David Evans, which seems to be exacerbated by the lack of representation his appointments have given to people of colour.
Bit off topic but you’d think, given the state of Eurozone finances, it’d take a monumental feck up on all sides for this to slide into no deal
I guess this lad might see himself as a junior Boris. I doubt he'll get that far though.
Do people really think any party can win a majority without courting votes of those who have either voted UKIP or strongly considered before? UKIP was quite a broad church.
That aspect is not disagreeable, it’s the conclusion he infers from that which is the key point of contention. Seems to be conceding ground to the Tories/UKIP in some areas and suggesting instead to fight them on economic policy. Which is a sound proposal at least superficially, but it’s easy to see why many Labour members would oppose it.
I know almost nothing about the man in question.
But I will say that there’s nothing wrong with that point, on face value. It’s right headed.
Politics in the UK lacks any sort of precision. It’s broad strokes and Very emotive. Policy doesn’t win UKIP voters. Messaging does. Make them feel heard.
Many don’t though. The Labour Party may be home to the UK’s progressives but it isn’t the sole preserve of the socially progressive left. In fact it’s a shitty fit for the most part when you consider the traditional Labour heartlands. It’s not like Doncaster or Scunthorpe are the natural breeding grounds for progress on gender identity or racial equality. So Labour have this endless conflict between its city bases and its industrial heartland where priorities (and even ideals) just aren’t the same.
Getting some stick for this stance on social media, people feel like he shouldn't let up on pressure for Cummings to go.
He's absolutely right. Does the wider public really care all that much? Both sides have dug in and said their piece.
I don't think this is some contrived way to be 'the bigger man.' There are more important things at hand that need to take precedence.
Yeah I agree. Pretty obvious that the position on this issue isn't going to change from the government side of things. Also, it may backfire on Labour if they keep pressing as they may be seen to be politicising the issue.
Good we can consign the failed jezbollah uprising to history and move on then
https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...-starmer-david-evans-labour-general-secretary
Can somebody kindly inform the canary, novara and momentum
Labour in the wilderness. Chasing that shrinking middle class.
That is right.
The Tories are doing a good job on loosing the public trust.
So. Best to let them look stupid and keep your head down.
I actually do think the public care quite a bit, they just don't particularly care about Labour's opinion on the issue. It's currently about the government vs the people and Tories vs Tories rather than Tories vs Labour, and it's better for Labour if it stays that way. Because it's pretty clear which of those three arguments the Tories would prefer to have.
Id never heard of ‘Sir Keir’ until relatively recently and my first impressions weren’t very favorable to say the least: Milliband MKII. The charisma of a wet fart. However, now that we’re slowing getting to see what he’s like he actually seems like a very very smart operator. I suspect Boris will have his hands full.
I like the way he’s been very careful not to politicize Covid and how he’s remained relatively silent during the Cummings debacle, because the first instinct would be to come out all guns blazing. Very clever. He will reap the rewards of this later down the line. Obviously, much of his time so far as leader of the opposition will have been spent behind the scenes laying out his strategy for being in opposition and the next general election. But it’s already noticeable he has an extremely sharp mind and is far more charismatic than what first meets the eye.
A QC huh?! If you were to choose somebody from a background to quiz Boris during PM’s question time then what one background would you choose from? This is going to be fun...
I like the way he’s been very careful not to politicize Covid and how he’s remained relatively silent during the Cummings debacle, because the first instinct would be to come out all guns blazing. Very clever. He will reap the rewards of this later down the line. Obviously, much of his time so far as leader of the opposition will have been spent behind the scenes laying out his strategy for being in opposition and the next general election. But it’s already noticeable he has an extremely sharp mind and is far more charismatic than what first meets the eye.
A QC huh?! If you were to choose somebody from a background to quiz Boris during PM’s question time then what one background would you choose from? This is going to be fun...
Whilst I've found myself occasionally frustrated by Starmer and Labour pulling their punches, I'm reserving judgement on that approach for the present.
From my perspective I'd like to see the opposition tearing each Tory mistake apart, but I'm not sure it's the best way to win over the public. My completely unscientific and anecdotal take is that the gedneral public is exhausted by politics and politicians and, regardless of how legitimate the criticism is, when they see Labour constantly sniping at the government they see it as self-interested rather than principled. Similarly, when they see Labour criticising the government from perspectives they don't share or over issues they have no interest in it underlines the perception of the party as being detached from 'normal people'. The British public is so distrustful of politicians and the agenda is so controlled by Tory-affiliated media that Labour will get more stick for 'politicising' crises than the Tories do for causing them.
It's a very difficult line to walk - holding the government to account and keeping attention on their key failings when being seen to do so is almost counterproductive when it comes to public opinion.
From my perspective I'd like to see the opposition tearing each Tory mistake apart, but I'm not sure it's the best way to win over the public. My completely unscientific and anecdotal take is that the gedneral public is exhausted by politics and politicians and, regardless of how legitimate the criticism is, when they see Labour constantly sniping at the government they see it as self-interested rather than principled. Similarly, when they see Labour criticising the government from perspectives they don't share or over issues they have no interest in it underlines the perception of the party as being detached from 'normal people'. The British public is so distrustful of politicians and the agenda is so controlled by Tory-affiliated media that Labour will get more stick for 'politicising' crises than the Tories do for causing them.
It's a very difficult line to walk - holding the government to account and keeping attention on their key failings when being seen to do so is almost counterproductive when it comes to public opinion.
I agree with you, and that doesnt happen often.
One suspects that there would be a particular disregard for people trying (or being seen as trying) to play party politics at a time of national crisis.
Most countries saw an immediate increase for support of the government when this outbreak began because that's simply how people tend to react in moments of national crisis provoked by external threat. That context makes it tricky for opposition parties as they have to hold the government to account while still being seen to be supportive of the great national effort that is being fronted by the government.
That dynamic will shift over time though and there is quite a long time to go until the next election. While questions need to be asked now for the sake of ensuring accountability, the real political damage to the government may well only occur once this initial outbreak has passed and a period of critical reflection descends.
Well the Rosie Duffield news certainly explains Sir Keir wanting to move on from Cummings.
Aye, was always likely Labour would have their own rule-breakers unfortunately. At least she has promptly apologized and resigned.
How does Starmer call himself a leader when he hasn't even arranged for her to lie about it with her own press conference?
It's the government folding on these tests, not the opposition. Labour aren't in control of the lockdown
The government are the ones folding on Labour's own tests for ending/continuing the lockdown?It's the government folding on these tests, not the opposition. Labour aren't in control of the lockdown