Keir Starmer Labour Leader

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711 said:
I totally agree with you on Cameron and Johnson, 100%, so trying to paint me with some Tory brush is a lie in itself I'm afraid.

The difference is that I blame Corbyn too. I'm actually surprised you haven't studied Labour history, Tony Benn, Barbara Castle, Peter Shore, Michael Foot, the whole left wing of the party, they were all anti-EU. I disagreed with them in 1975 and voted Yes to staying in Europe, but I respect their views, at least they were honest about them.
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Him being a eurosceptic doesn't make Brexit his fault.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Hilarious. Yes, nasty Corbyn causing BREXIT.
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No, it was the 52% of those who voted in the referendum, who caused Brexit.

However historically the longstanding position on the left of the Labour party was to oppose the EU (as @711 states in a previous post) and as an old style 'lefty' Corbyn was sticking to that view; but as leader of a Party where a sizable chunk supported remain, he found himself in the proverbial position of being "between a rock and a hard place".

However Jeremy should have felt at home, because he had spent virtually his whole political career in taking up such positions.
 
Maticmaker said:
No, it was the 52% of those who voted in the referendum, who caused Brexit.

However historically the longstanding position on the left of the Labour party was to oppose the EU (as @711 states in a previous post) and as an old style 'lefty' Corbyn was sticking to that view; but as leader of a Party where a sizable chunk supported remain, he found himself in the proverbial position of being "between a rock and a hard place".

However Jeremy should have felt at home, because he had spent virtually his whole political career in taking up such positions.
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Look corbyn could certainly have done more to push the benefits of being in the eu... I mean being 8/10 in favour of the eu would have been a start.... even thinking its was 75% good!

That said as he proved he's a terrible communicator, massively unpopular within the general electorate and useless at national election style campaigns

So it probably wouldn't have helped much anyway

At least they didn't trigger article 50 immediately like he was pushing for...
 
sun_tzu said:
Look corbyn could certainly have done more to push the benefits of being in the eu...
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Not really, Jeremy never truly believed in the concept (or the so called benefits) of the EU as a political Union, he had been against it since 'Adam was a lad'. He was an old fashioned lefty, there were no benefits , at least not what he would call real benefits, that he felt could not have been be accomplished by a strong Labour Government in the UK Parliament unshackled by Brussels. This was at the heart of his dilemma.

Yes there were some advantages in the EU operations in political terms, e.g. of worker protections, TU laws etc. however nothing that could not have been 'bettered' (in Jeremy's eyes) in the UK with...say an 80+ seat Labour majority in Parliament!

It just never happened. The closest he got was being elected leader of the Labour party and that only occurred through the efforts of momentum and some 'di** head' decisions by liberal leaning Labour PMs who wanted to prove their liberal values by making it possible for Jeremy to 'at least have a shot at the leadership'. Then when he did win, they couldn't wait to leave!

Just like a number of times in his long political career in the Labour party, with Brexit,Jeremy found himself in the wrong place, at the wrong time, facing the wrong way and desperately hoping people would not notice... but when you are leader, you are 'front and centre' and everybody, friend and foe a like can see your dilemma.

Actually you have to feel sorry for the guy!
 
So your choice at the next election will be between the Tories or the Tories. Brilliant stuff.
 
"Party leader who's not good at connecting with public, hires expert at connecting with public" isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
 
Starmer urges Labour to embrace Blair’s legacy as he vows to win the next election

He said it was vital to demonstrate that Labour was not a party of protest but was serious about winning power — and that meant being “very proud” of what it achieved under Blair and his successor as prime minister Gordon Brown when it was last in office.
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https://www.ft.com/content/34ec43b9-5dcd-46cd-b284-093e8f13714d
 
Maticmaker said:
No, it was the 52% of those who voted in the referendum, who caused Brexit.

However historically the longstanding position on the left of the Labour party was to oppose the EU (as @711 states in a previous post) and as an old style 'lefty' Corbyn was sticking to that view; but as leader of a Party where a sizable chunk supported remain, he found himself in the proverbial position of being "between a rock and a hard place".

However Jeremy should have felt at home, because he had spent virtually his whole political career in taking up such positions.
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Your first paragraph is correct. The rest is inaccurate waffle.
 
Ken Loach now expelled from the Labour party.

What a sorry state of affairs Keir has caused. He is the very definition of unelectable, even by his own members now, if there was a new leadership election, at this rate.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Ken Loach now expelled from the Labour party.

What a sorry state of affairs Keir has caused. He is the very definition of unelectable, even by his own members now, if there was a new leadership election, at this rate.
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Yep, the Labour party are well and truly dead to me.
 
I would rather have Moyes as the Leader of the Labour Party than this idiot.
 
sun_tzu said:
No experience has shown me if you are traditional labour you can only be on team Jezbollah*/ Magic Grandpa* / Antisemite Israel* (pick appropriate name) or your a red tory
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That's if you're a Labour supporter, not a fecking greens supporter. You're being exceedingly disingenuous here (although, what's new?), if you are a neoliberal gobshite and still a member of the labour party, you're a red Tory.
 
Raven said:
That's if you're a Labour supporter, not a fecking greens supporter. You're being exceedingly disingenuous here (although, what's new?), if you are a neoliberal gobshite and still a member of the labour party, you're a red Tory.
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The Greens are what Labour should have been for the last 30 years. Wanting to change voting to a PR like system, prioritising diversity, more money for public services, removing Lords with an elected chamber, human rights, tacking racism, allowing local authorities to secure referendums and obviously green policies.
 
Raven said:
That's if you're a Labour supporter, not a fecking greens supporter. You're being exceedingly disingenuous here (although, what's new?), if you are a neoliberal gobshite and still a member of the labour party, you're a red Tory.
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:lol: truth
 
Boris Johnson's visits to the city in recent years have seen him mobbed and cheered in the streets. Even former Chancellor George Osborne – hardly the most likeable of characters – was called on to pose for a few selfies when he last turned up at the Star's Queen Street offices. In contrast, Sir Keir's appearance was greeted with complete disinterest.There was nary a murmur in his direction from any member of the public he wandered past. No requests for selfies were made and no one called his name out. To illustrate the point, a woman approached the entourage with her phone raised, then immediately lowered it when she saw what was in front of her, disappointment etched across her face.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news...-blank-looks-greet-sir-keirs-city-appearance/
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There are some difficult personalities in the Labour party.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Well done Keir & co. Kicking out a Jewish Labour member who has been a member for over 50 years.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.or...sponse-to-his-threatened-automatic-exclusion/
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So he signed a letter that says

He supports, Ken Livingstone an Chris Williamson
There should be no independent panel reviewing antisemitism claims
MPs should not be expelled for providing a platform for suspended anti-Semites
The IHRA definition of Anti Semitism should not be used when considering disciplinary action in the labour party
And the small number of Anti Semitism allegations was just a smear against Jeremy Corbyn

Yeah good riddance to be honest if he wants to put his name to that
 
sun_tzu said:
So he signed a letter that says

He supports, Ken Livingstone an Chris Williamson
There should be no independent panel reviewing antisemitism claims
MPs should not be expelled for providing a platform for suspended anti-Semites
The IHRA definition of Anti Semitism should not be used when considering disciplinary action in the labour party
And the small number of Anti Semitism allegations was just a smear against Jeremy Corbyn

Yeah good riddance to be honest if he wants to put his name to that
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So you only want the "right kind of Jew" in the party?

Sounds familiar.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
So you only want the "right kind of Jew" in the party?

Sounds familiar.
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I don't want anybody regardless of religion who is part of LAW or promotes them to be honest

Activities[edit]
In January 2018 LAW mounted a demonstration outside the Labour Party head office in protest against what they felt were politically motivated allegations of antisemitism.[1] They also welcomed the appointment of Christine Shawcroft as chair of the Labour Party's Disputes Sub-Committee.[13]

In February 2018 the group backed Jennie Formby in her successful bid to become General Secretary of the Labour Party.[14]

In March 2018 they leafletted and mounted a counter demonstration against a demonstration outside Parliament organized by the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council against alleged antisemitism in the Labour Party.[15][16][17]

In April 2018 they mounted a further demonstration, against the expulsion of Marc Wadsworth for his actions at the press conference for the report of the Chakrabarti Inquiry in antisemitism and racism in the Labour Party.[18] They also mounted a crowdfunding campaign, raising £16,000 for his ultimately unsuccessful defence, calling his expulsion outrageous.[19] Also in April, the group sent an open letter, with more than 2,500 signatures, to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, which blamed some allegations on a combination of supporters of Israel and Zionism with Labour right-wingers and a hostile media.[20]

In September 2018 they demonstrated against acceptance by the National Executive Committee of the full list of examples associated with the Working Definition of Antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.[21] The organization organized a fringe meeting at the September 2018 Labour Party conference, where references were made to McCarthyism and Orwell's book ‘‘Nineteen Eighty-Four’’ in relation to the situation within the party.[22] At another fringe meeting, Greenstein told the audience that the motive behind the campaign against antisemitism was to attack the left and replace Corbyn as leader.[23] The group handed out Palestinian flags to delegates for waving in the conference hall.[24] In September and October 2018, the group called on Labour Party members not to cooperate with exercises by the Labour Party and the Jewish Labour Movement to obtain examples of antisemitic behaviour by members.[25]

In January 2019 the group condemned the deselection by the National Executive Committee of Rebecca Gorden-Nesbitt as parliamentary candidate for South Thanet over tweets relating to accusations of antisemitism.[26]

In February 2019 Jewish campaigners persuaded a church to decline to host the group's annual conference.[27]

In March 2019 the group called on party members to support Chris Williamson MP, suspended for saying that the party had been "too apologetic" in the face of criticism over the issue, by lobbying the party General Secretary, signing a petition or proposing a motion.[28] The group also held a rally the day before the Labour Party disciplinary hearing of Jackie Walker in support of her and Chris Williamson, at which she was expelled. Speakers included Walker, Ken Livingstone and Graham Bash, a leading member of Jewish Voice for Labour and editor of Labour Briefing.[29] The location of the meeting had to be changed after the Board of Deputies of British Jews persuaded the original venue to cancel the booking.[30] One of their members, John Davies, was alleged to be one of those seeking to deselect Louise Ellman MP, vice chair of Labour Friends of Israel.[31]

In May 2019 the group co-organised with the local Momentum branch a training session on antisemitism for Reading Labour Party members, addressed by the secretary of Jewish Voice for Labour. Local party officers said that the meeting had no official status.[32]

In mid–July 2021, Labour Against the Witchhunt along with three other alleged far-left factions Resist, the Labour in Exile Network and Socialist Appeal were banned by Labour's National Executive Committee on the grounds that "these organisations are not compatible with Labour's rules or our aims and values." These factions were sympathetic to former leader Jeremy Corbyn and had been accused of obstructing efforts to combat antisemitism within Labour. The Committee also ruled that belonging to these factions is grounds for expulsion from Labour.[33][34] In response, several left-leaning groups picketed the Labour Party's headquarters in Victoria, London to protest the NEC's decision.[33]

Critical reactions[edit]
LAW has been described as controversial by the Daily Telegraph and as far left by The Times,[35][36] while The Jewish Chronicle dismissed it as a fringe organisation.[37]

Andrew Percy MP, in a speech in the House of Commons, called the group's claim that the series of allegations of antisemitism was a witch hunt a "new smear" and asked MPs to "call out" the group,[38] while Wes Streeting MP called the group intimidating, when they demonstrated outside the disciplinary hearing for Marc Wadsworth.[39] The Jewish Labour Movement has said that the organisation, along with Jewish Voice for Labour, "ridicule and minimise the real lived experiences of victims of antisemitism”,[40] and Stephane Savary, a representative of Left Wing Zionists for Labour, has urged the party to expel the organization.[41] In February 2019, the Jewish Labour Movement called on the Labour Representation Committee not to work with the organisation or with JVL.[42]
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