Kasper Schmeichel

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Clear upgrade on Romero but a massive downgrade on De Gea. Do not want.
 
He doesn't give me nightmares the way the mention of Joe Hart coming to OT does, but I still think United should be aiming a bit higher than Schmeichel. A good bit.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
i never thought I would say this, but would take Romero as No1.

We should be aiming much higher than both.
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If it were a choice between Kasper and Romero, then yeah, I would take Romero. But we should be aspiring to better if DDG leaves.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
That's not true at all, more a case of people looking down their nose at players like Keane & Kasper because they don't satisfy the their big name expectations.

Of course we all want Griezmann & similar, but there would be nothing wrong with mixing in a few so called lesser names too, they could fit us just as well, if not better longer term, after all many of our most exciting signings post Fergie have let us down, so maybe we need a slightly different approach.
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Problem is that we already have loads of these 'lesser names' in our squad who are not good enough, if they were to leave it would be to a 'lesser' club to speak. Also, buying from a PL club in itself is a challenge as none of the names we're being linked would come on cheap. There are few young talents who we could bring in from other PL club given their age like Dier and Keane but again you have to ask the question, can we get a better talent from abroad for the same price?

Pogue Mahone said:
Well if we ignore the fact Schmeicel currently playing for the champions (who did better in the CL than any other English club) what did you think when we signed Van Der Saar? Last PL club he had played for was the definition of "mid table fodder".
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Ah, he's the 'reigning champion' obligatory post. There are tons of average players in the Leicester side who are champions too, should we bring back Danny Simpson too for some cover at RB? Or Danny Drinkwater for that matter since he is also a champion and Leicester went further than any English team as you put. The only criteria should be the quality of the player we are bringing in. Would he improve us immediately? If not, can the player reach that level in few years? Schmeichel ticks none of these boxes.

As far as VDS is concerned, he had already played for top clubs around Europe prior to his Fulham stint and came very cheap. He was immensely experienced at top level, played in 2 CL Finals and was first choice for Dutch for ages. VDS went from a great Ajax team to another great Juve team, the only reason he left was because Buffon was best GK in the world when Juve bought him. I am sure you would remember him moving to Fulham as bit of a weird career move, like Tevez and Mascherano going to West Ham. You can't compare VDS career trajectory with Schmeichel whose previous clubs were Notts County and Leeds, furthermore he is already 30 and been only playing at PL level for 2 years. We need to aim higher, either sign a keeper who is already experienced at top level or buy a talented one (like with DDG) and make him reach that level.
 
ZAGREB RED said:
He doesn't give me nightmares the way the mention of Joe Hart coming to OT does, but I still think United should be aiming a bit higher than Schmeichel. A good bit.
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This sums it up for me. I really doubt that he's the best option out there but I don't think he'd be a liability.
 
Kush said:
Problem is that we already have loads of these 'lesser names' in our squad who are not good enough, if they were to leave it would be to a 'lesser' club to speak. Also, buying from a PL club in itself is a challenge as none of the names we're being linked would come on cheap. There are few young talents who we could bring in from other PL club given their age like Dier and Keane but again you have to ask the question, can we get a better talent from abroad for the same price?

Ah, he's the 'reigning champion' obligatory post. There are tons of average players in the Leicester side who are champions too, should we bring back Danny Simpson too for some cover at RB? Or Danny Drinkwater for that matter since he is also a champion and Leicester went further than any English team as you put. The only criteria should be the quality of the player we are bringing in. Would he improve us immediately? If not, can the player reach that level in few years? Schmeichel ticks none of these boxes.

As far as VDS is concerned, he had already played for top clubs around Europe prior to his Fulham stint and came very cheap. He was immensely experienced at top level, played in 2 CL Finals and was first choice for Dutch for ages. VDS went from a great Ajax team to another great Juve team, the only reason he left was because Buffon was best GK in the world when Juve bought him. I am sure you would remember him moving to Fulham as bit of a weird career move, like Tevez and Mascherano going to West Ham. You can't compare VDS career trajectory with Schmeichel whose previous clubs were Notts County and Leeds, furthermore he is already 30 and been only playing at PL level for 2 years. We need to aim higher, either sign a keeper who is already experienced at top level or buy a talented one (like with DDG) and make him reach that level.
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Good post, well said.
 
I don't mean to sound harsh on him but am I the only one thinking he looks a little pudgy?
 
Akash said:
It's not. There's a reason why he wasn't first choice for his previous 2 clubs. It's mind boggling that some want Romero to be our #1.
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Romero can be not good enough to be out #1 and still be better than Schmeichel.
 
Akash said:
It's not. There's a reason why he wasn't first choice for his previous 2 clubs. It's mind boggling that some want Romero to be our #1.
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I don't want him as a no1, he is a good back up, as Schmeichel would be - never in a million years are either good enough to play for us week in, week out.
 
Akash said:
It's not. There's a reason why he wasn't first choice for his previous 2 clubs. It's mind boggling that some want Romero to be our #1.
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Oh feck no, I don't want that. If it were a choice between him and Kasper, then I would chose Romero. That's not really saying much and there's no way Kasper is a "clear upgrade".
 
Basically if his name wasn't Schmeichel he wouldn't be getting linked with us. Simple as, as romantic as the notion is, he's not good enough for the No 1 spot.
 
Kush said:
Problem is that we already have loads of these 'lesser names' in our squad who are not good enough, if they were to leave it would be to a 'lesser' club to speak. Also, buying from a PL club in itself is a challenge as none of the names we're being linked would come on cheap. There are few young talents who we could bring in from other PL club given their age like Dier and Keane but again you have to ask the question, can we get a better talent from abroad for the same price?



Ah, he's the 'reigning champion' obligatory post. There are tons of average players in the Leicester side who are champions too, should we bring back Danny Simpson too for some cover at RB? Or Danny Drinkwater for that matter since he is also a champion and Leicester went further than any English team as you put. The only criteria should be the quality of the player we are bringing in. Would he improve us immediately? If not, can the player reach that level in few years? Schmeichel ticks none of these boxes.

As far as VDS is concerned, he had already played for top clubs around Europe prior to his Fulham stint and came very cheap. He was immensely experienced at top level, played in 2 CL Finals and was first choice for Dutch for ages. VDS went from a great Ajax team to another great Juve team, the only reason he left was because Buffon was best GK in the world when Juve bought him. I am sure you would remember him moving to Fulham as bit of a weird career move, like Tevez and Mascherano going to West Ham. You can't compare VDS career trajectory with Schmeichel whose previous clubs were Notts County and Leeds, furthermore he is already 30 and been only playing at PL level for 2 years. We need to aim higher, either sign a keeper who is already experienced at top level or buy a talented one (like with DDG) and make him reach that level.
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Yeah, totally agree! I enjoyed reading this. It's spot on, on a number of levels.
 
Akash said:
Clear upgrade on Romero but a massive downgrade on De Gea. Do not want.
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I'd rather have Romero as first choice and sign some journeyman for second or third choice than Schmeichel, I think I'd rather we sign Hart than him.
 
If we are indeed going for a new goalie, I think we should put our faith in Romero. He's better at controlling the box than DDG is and is a pretty decent shot stopper, although not to the level of DDG obviously. His distribution is also a fair bit better than DDG, and I've noticed that we tend to play out more from the back with Romero in goal.
 
This would be like Bosnich and Howard all over again. Decent keeper, not an elite keeper. We want to be an Elite club, we need to aim for better. If we did get rid of DDG, we need to look at Lloris, or that young guy at Milan - he might not be "elite" yet, but is probably going to be.
 
Robbie Boy said:
This is just blatantly untrue. Plenty want Van Dijk and he's a Southampton player. The fact is, we have been linked (apparently linked) with some extremely underwhelming players and people rightly point out that they aren't good enough.

I just find the attitude that if you don't rate a player from a lesser club that you are ignorant etc, as extremely pretentious. I would love Moussa Dembele and he plays for Celtic ffs.
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Don't think I ever said, or alluded to that at all, more saying that Kasper isn't at all as bad a choice as some would have you believe, and many don't rate Keane purely because he isn't a fashionable name, can't see how that would be pretentious, more an opinion.

Personally I want Griezmann, and Silva, but if that comes with Keane & Kasper aswell (or similar) then is be quite happy.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Don't think I ever said, or alluded to that at all, more saying that Kasper isn't at all as bad a choice as some would have you believe, and many don't rate Keane purely because he isn't a fashionable name, can't see how that would be pretentious, more an opinion.

Personally I want Griezmann, and Silva, but if that comes with Keane & Kasper aswell (or similar) then is be quite happy.
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No, again I don't agree. Most are saying that Keane isn't an upgrade on what we have and that's what we should be aspiring to. Buying Keane to replace Smalling or Jones as a squad player would be fine and most have acknowledged that. However, most are saying that if he's our only CB purchase, then he wouldn't really represent good value as he wouldn't be improving us.

As for Kasper, he's not crap, he's just nowhere near the level of player we should be aspiring to if we lose one of the best keepers in the world. Replacing top class players with not quite good enough ones is one of the reasons we are in this position.
 
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Robbie Boy said:
Oh feck no, I don't want that. If it were a choice between him and Kasper, then I would chose Romero. That's not really saying much and there's no way Kasper is a "clear upgrade".
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I think there's a very clear gap in ability to begin with but perhaps even more importantly one has been a regular first choice player for years while the other hasn't been first choice for a good 4-5 years.
 
Akash said:
I think there's a very clear gap in ability to begin with but perhaps even more importantly one has been a regular first choice player for years while the other hasn't been first choice for a good 4-5 years.
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I think context is needed here in terms of what clubs both players have been playing for and what level too. Discounting last season, Kasper has been playing for pretty poor sides.
 
Kush said:
Problem is that we already have loads of these 'lesser names' in our squad who are not good enough, if they were to leave it would be to a 'lesser' club to speak. Also, buying from a PL club in itself is a challenge as none of the names we're being linked would come on cheap. There are few young talents who we could bring in from other PL club given their age like Dier and Keane but again you have to ask the question, can we get a better talent from abroad for the same price?



Ah, he's the 'reigning champion' obligatory post. There are tons of average players in the Leicester side who are champions too, should we bring back Danny Simpson too for some cover at RB? Or Danny Drinkwater for that matter since he is also a champion and Leicester went further than any English team as you put. The only criteria should be the quality of the player we are bringing in. Would he improve us immediately? If not, can the player reach that level in few years? Schmeichel ticks none of these boxes.

As far as VDS is concerned, he had already played for top clubs around Europe prior to his Fulham stint and came very cheap. He was immensely experienced at top level, played in 2 CL Finals and was first choice for Dutch for ages. VDS went from a great Ajax team to another great Juve team, the only reason he left was because Buffon was best GK in the world when Juve bought him. I am sure you would remember him moving to Fulham as bit of a weird career move, like Tevez and Mascherano going to West Ham. You can't compare VDS career trajectory with Schmeichel whose previous clubs were Notts County and Leeds, furthermore he is already 30 and been only playing at PL level for 2 years. We need to aim higher, either sign a keeper who is already experienced at top level or buy a talented one (like with DDG) and make him reach that level.
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This totally.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I think context is needed here in terms of what clubs both players have been playing for and what level too. Discounting last season, Kasper has been playing for pretty poor sides.
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He was 2nd choice for Monaco and Sampdoria before he joined us on a free.

Ramshock said:
On par with your evaluation of Kasper and Romero.
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Yeah, no. Rating a keeper much higher who actually plays week in week out and has done for years over someone who's not been first choice for years. Shocker indeed. But he's first choice for Argentina!!! Given your absurd logic you probably think Navas and Romero are fairly close as well.
 
Robbie Boy said:
No again I don't agree. Most are saying that Keane isn't an upgrade on what we have and that's what we should be aspiring to. Buying Keane to replace Smalling or Jones as a squad player would be fine and most have acknowledged. However, most are saying that if he's our only CB purchase, then he wouldn't really represent good value as he wouldn't be improving us.

As for Kasper, he's not crap, he's just nowhere near the level of player we should be aspiring to if we lose one of the best keepers in the world. Replacing top class players with not quite good enough ones is one of the reasons we are in this position.
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Keane would be a clear upgrade on Jones on Smalling, Jones because he'd be available a lot more, & Smalling because he is the better player, I'm not saying he should be our only defensive purchase, but I'd have no issue if Jose partnered him with Bailly as first choice next season, after all we were all calling for Rojo to leave & look how he improved under Jose, Keane is certainly at a better starting point than Rojo was this time last year, and he's a United kid, so they'd be none of this looking elsewhere further down the line.

The DDG situation is different as he's near impossible to replace like for like, if we get Greizmann we won't get Oblak, no chance we get Courtois, or Lloris, the young Ac Milan player who people talk about could be a risky option, no way we should be looking at Hart, my point is the pool of keepers isn't huge, and Kasper isn't as bad a option as some would have you think.
 
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