Kasper Dolberg

Meh. Of course, signing Dolberg in Januari makes no sense, both from his and our perspective. Saying we could sign him in Januari if we wanted to is still around 37 times more sensible than what you've posted though.

As for Mourinho and no young talent believing a move for United would be good for his development, I think that if you'd go from Robben in 2004 to Rashford in 2016, and some players (mostly forwards actually, someone like Balotelli springs to mind, but Bailly this year is a pretty good example too) in between, you'd come the conclusion that it's a bit of a random comment.
No, Robben had already four years of eredivisie experience, Bailly is 22 and has 2 years of PD, and Mourinho signed Zlatan because he didn't want to continue with Rashford, the only reason he's playing is because his predecessor broke him in. In comparison that would mean that United wouldn't try to sign him until august 2019. That's probably when Dolberg is interested in a move to one of the big leagues. By that time he's the one who can pick an choose, not United. Why he would choose United over Madrid, Barcelona, London and Munich? I don't know, let's hope he wore United pajamas as a kid. I certainly hope this arrogance you show here doesn't reflect the attitude of the board, because it's not the way to get the best young players.

Why can't we just be more like Dortmund? Spend more money on scouting talents that will develop within the club as first team regulars, instead of buying nomadic strikers and average rotational players.
Because it takes a long term policy that involves sacrifices and choices at every level within the club. United doesn't even have a policy, and paying for the overpriced season ticket is the only sacrifice the spoiled fans are prepared to make. It takes an integral approach, you can't just have the youth academy, the scouts and the well educated youth trainers and then hire a manager who doesn't care about youngsters. You need a manager who is exceptionally good with young players, because it takes a lot of care and instruction to have them play beyond their years, to manage their inconsistency and to break them in in the right way.
 
No, Robben had already four years of eredivisie experience, Bailly is 22 and has 2 years of PD, and Mourinho signed Zlatan because he didn't want to continue with Rashford, the only reason he's playing is because his predecessor broke him in. In comparison that would mean that United wouldn't try to sign him until august 2019. That's probably when Dolberg is interested in a move to one of the big leagues. By that time he's the one who can pick an choose, not United. Why he would choose United over Madrid, Barcelona, London and Munich? I don't know, let's hope he wore United pajamas as a kid. I certainly hope this arrogance you show here doesn't reflect the attitude of the board, because it's not the way to get the best young players.

I'm really not sure whether you've genuinely completely misunderstood the underlying point I tried to make, or deliberately choose to continue an argument by taking everything someone else says out of the rather obvious context, while contradicting yourself on top of that. I'd really have no problems with both by the way (because nearly everyone on here, including myself, does this at times), it's just that with you this style of arguing always seems to be the case, and it becomes a tad confusing and it really makes me feel like it would be pointless to reply or answer by explaining myself even clearer and going into detail more.

Also, some advice regarding to what still seems to be a big source of frustration for you, the sacking and criticising of Van Gaal. Louis simply showed that he couldn't even change his personality a little bit, and he made so many of the same obvious mistakes he's made in every other big job he had, the only fair conclusion could be that he has no one but himself to blame for losing his job at United. It really, really was his own fault, and it might become time now to realise that and get over it.



Back on topic to Kasper Dolberg, who's rightfully being described as a level headed kid, I read an interview the other day that was pretty interesting. Apparently he only started to play as a #9 in his last year at Silkeborg. He was a left winger before that, and he was sort off suggesting that he'd never really contemplated about being a striker. He felt his first year playing as a #9 was difficult, because he had to learn everything about making runs, when to become available.

I think that just shows what an amazing prospect he is, because anyone who's seen him play would agree that looks as much like a classic #9 as it can get (opposed to plenty of other young players, Januzaj for example, where it's very difficult to tell what would really be their best position). Dolberg's been looking like he's been playing as a striker his whole life, he really is a natural.
 
I'm really not sure whether you've genuinely completely misunderstood the underlying point I tried to make, or deliberately choose to continue an argument by taking everything someone else says out of the rather obvious context, while contradicting yourself on top of that. I'd really have no problems with both by the way (because nearly everyone on here, including myself, does this at times), it's just that with you this style of arguing always seems to be the case, and it becomes a tad confusing and it really makes me feel like it would be pointless to reply or answer by explaining myself even clearer and going into detail more.

Also, some advice regarding to what still seems to be a big source of frustration for you, the sacking and criticising of Van Gaal. Louis simply showed that he couldn't even change his personality a little bit, and he made so many of the same obvious mistakes he's made in every other big job he had, the only fair conclusion could be that he has no one but himself to blame for losing his job at United. It really, really was his own fault, and it might become time now to realise that and get over it.



Back on topic to Kasper Dolberg, who's rightfully being described as a level headed kid, I read an interview the other day that was pretty interesting. Apparently he only started to play as a #9 in his last year at Silkeborg. He was a left winger before that, and he was sort off suggesting that he'd never really contemplated about being a striker. He felt his first year playing as a #9 was difficult, because he had to learn everything about making runs, when to become available.

I think that just shows what an amazing prospect he is, because anyone who's seen him play would agree that looks as much like a classic #9 as it can get (opposed to plenty of other young players, Januzaj for example, where it's very difficult to tell what would really be their best position). Dolberg's been looking like he's been playing as a striker his whole life, he really is a natural.

He was sacked by the time we got to see some sort of representation of an LVG team.

By the time Rashford martial lingard TFM had all found their way in to the first team we had already signed Jose as early as March. We jumped the gun because everyone else was having WC managers & we went for pne who didn't know the club, doesn't fit rhe clubs ideology & ultimately was sacked himself.

The quickness of it is what's stupid. Just got sacked for a horrible tenure at Chelsea who has a better squad than us & we go in there thinking he is going to be the Savior & bid for him quicker than someone does pn eBay.
 
He was, though. He was undisputedly the best player in the league.
Yeah well he was certainly not. He didn't even win the POTY award, Wijnaldum did. Many papers chose Guardado as the best player of the season and Luuk de Jong was in the mix as well. Depay was one of many. If you think he was the best, fair enough. But no way is that even close to being undisputed.
 
Depay was a bit wasteful and lazy, but his scoring goals forgave a lot I guess. Wasn't ready for the Premier League, should have stayed at PSV and showed some consistency in performance. But easy big money can make some kids crazy.

The only way Dolberg will be sold is if it involves a lot of cash and him staying at Ajax. Besides he said that he likes the Bundesliga. Momentarily United is not the club to go to if you are a youngster that needs first team playing time.

Dolberg looks great and seems to have worldclass potential. He is not a one trick pony. Can play with his back to the goal, but also create chances himself and is smart in the 1-2 passing. Great control and technical ability, while also being reasonably tall and strong for his age. He has a real powerful shot and can head a bll well.

But he might have a dry spell or he might get injured. All signs are in his favor and it looks absolutely fantastic, but we'll just have to wait and see what becomes of him. Hopefully he won't be one of the "Supertalents that will conquer the world and win xx ballon d'or", but in the end they play at relegation teams in the PL or the Primera Division.
 
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Big clubs should stop signing Eredivisie players who have had only 1 good season. (Janssen)
I do think Dolberg is a huge huge talent, maybe the best in recent Eredivisie history, but I also remember what Viktor Fischer was like in his first year. Being decisive in beating PSV for example, and that didn't turn out great (partly due to injuries, but Dolberg also has some history with injuries in his youth career)
I really hope he stays at the very least one more full season, and gets some international experience in CL and Danish team, then leaves for a bigger league still at only 21.
This would surely reduce the number of Eredivisie failures. (Though they rarely come from Ajax)
 
Is this the same league where Van Nistelrooy and Suarez scored lots of goals?

Not interested.
 
Is this the same league where Van Nistelrooy and Suarez scored lots of goals?

Not interested.
Same league, but the current climate is the same where Vincent Janssen and Memphis Depay scored lots of goals.
 
Same league, but the current climate is the same where Vincent Janssen and Memphis Depay scored lots of goals.

Doesn't mean he won't succeed elsewhere. Several PSV fans told me that Memphis may struggle in the PL due to poor close control. They were right. Dollberg looks an interesting talent irrespective of the league.

Btw has anybody noticed he plays a lot like Zlatan? Sadly will never win a CL.
 
Watched Ajax's game from the weekend and Dolberg was class again, he's got s silky quality that reminds me of RvP.
 
Same league, but the current climate is the same where Vincent Janssen and Memphis Depay scored lots of goals.

I said as much of Janssen back before Spurs signed him.

I'm Dutch, and I don't like him for the Premier League. I don't think he's anywhere near ready for a big step up nor do I think he's a next big thing ever.

Not to toot my own horn, but...well sure that was tooting my own horn all the way actually. Love it when I get things right. For Dolberg, we should wait and see what he does in the latter stages of the Europa League. I actually do rate Ziyech at Ajax though, he'll be ready for the EPL in 18 months or so, but not United.
 
One of City's scouts told a Danish news outlet today, that they're keeping a close eye on him, and that they're likely to place a bid on him this summer
 
"Individually, he has a great potential. He is tall, strong, brave and quick. He has a brilliant touch, can play with his back against the goal and make the right decisions. And he can finish from anywhere on the pitch. He is so unique, and therefore he is of course on the radar"

"We are watching him closely. When time is right, we will make a decision if we will take action"


Quotes from Man City scout Sebastian Arnesen
 
I think there's at least 15-20 top clubs "watching him closely".
Just like Dembele, Neymar, Odegaard, etc. This guy will have the pick of all the top clubs in world football when he's ready to move on.
 
Just like Dembele, Neymar, Odegaard, etc. This guy will have the pick of all the top clubs in world football when he's ready to move on.
But he'll never become a Lord. Only one Dane can have that title
 
I think he has worldclass potential, and I'd be very surprised if he doesn't achieve that potential. It's kind of crazy to say that of a 19 year old who only played a few games for Ajax, but it's hard for me not to come to that conclusion after seeing him this season. Ofcourse alot could go wrong still, injuries and stuff like that, but it won't be due to lack of talent.

He doesn't compare to players like Janssen and Depay. Those players showed their shortcomings even during their days in the eredivisie. Dolberg is showing extraordinairy things for a 19 year old, but he also doesn't have their shortcomings, he's an allround talent. Haven't seen an eredivisie player like that since Suarez, although Dolberg reminds me more of a mix between Zlatan and Van Basten.

If he's smart he won't leave Ajax too fast.
 
City already have a world class striker in his prime and 2 top young prospects in Iheanacho and Gabriel Jesus and yet they are still looking at Dolberg. We have a striker who will be 36 next season and one hot prospect, but if it's sugggested that we go for Dolberg it would be decried as inpeding Rashford, which is a mistake IMO. Strong competition breeds a strong squad, we already made the mistake of clearing the path for a striker when we sold off our other options to assure Rooney is starting every week last season.
 
It is not nailed on that this guy becomes world-class at all. He'll play at a top club at one point in his life, wether he succeeds there is entirely up in the air. Man, I remember Robinho. He was something else. And then he wasn't.
 
I think Mourinho will be way more concerned with winning stuff than bringing youth players through and Dolberg is still effectively a youth player. Add that to seeing how big the step up to the PL is from Eredivisie in recent years and I don't think it's worth the risk.

He would cost top money and, though not a good long term attitude, would like to see him go to a big league and prove himself and then we go for him. Given our riches & Woodward's silver tongue I'm confident we could lure him here in the long term unless he ends up at RM, BM, Barca or a rival PL club. Even then, if we get back to winning things, we have a good chance given the Man Utd brand of attracting anyone.
 
Linked with him today, and I think he'd be a very good signing. People will ask why we'd want him rather than bring through our own young strikers such as Rashford and potentially Martial, but Dolberg might be more what Mourinho wants from a striker to follow Zlatan. He's in a similar mold; tall, strong, skillful. With Zlatan to mentor him, he couldn't ask for a better start, and we'd be hard pressed to find another Zlatan, so it might work out.

It's also possible that Mourinho simply sees Martial as a winger, and Rashford as having a lower ceiling than many might expect.
 
Linked with him today, and I think he'd be a very good signing. People will ask why we'd want him rather than bring through our own young strikers such as Rashford and potentially Martial, but Dolberg might be more what Mourinho wants from a striker to follow Zlatan. He's in a similar mold; tall, strong, skillful. With Zlatan to mentor him, he couldn't ask for a better start, and we'd be hard pressed to find another Zlatan, so it might work out.

It's also possible that Mourinho simply sees Martial as a winger, and Rashford as having a lower ceiling than many might expect.
Possibly, but he hasn't given Rashford many chances as a CF at all.
 
You really must rate Dolberg. I really like what I saw of Andre Silva so far.

Don't get me wrong mate, I like Silva as well, there is just a stylish quality to how Dolberg plays the role that appeals to me, but I'd be very happy if we signed Silva who to me is more in line with the type of #9 Jose tends to favour.
 
Dolberg started the season really well but his performances have dropped a bit since. He has talent but he isnt ready for Manchester United or the premier league yet. I hope he stays in the Eredivisie atleast 1 more full season.
 
Don't get me wrong mate, I like Silva as well, there is just a stylish quality to how Dolberg plays the role that appeals to me, but I'd be very happy if we signed Silva who to me is more in line with the type of #9 Jose tends to favour.

I'd probably prefer Andre Silva since he seems a bit further in his development.
 
Quite a few young strikers coming through at the moment. Dolberg and Andre Silva are mentioned already but also Icardi and Belotti from Serie A. Will be interesting to see who will become the best of the lot and who will fade.

On topic:Happy to be linked with Dolberg. Looks a good talent and is only 19.
 
Arsène in 5 years' time: I could have signed him.

Dutch kick-off times are weird. Otherwise, I would watch Ajax talents more. Going through this thread, I would like to have seen more clips.

@ROFLUTION, what have you wrought in the first page? :lol:
 
I'd probably prefer Andre Silva since he seems a bit further in his development.

Yeah, they are both having their first season as regular's in their senior sides but Silva is a couple of years older and certainly more physically developed, although I think @carvajal posted something the other day that said Real have already agreed a deal for him for the summer.
 
I'd probably prefer Andre Silva since he seems a bit further in his development.

He's also 2 years older than Dolberg. If we are intentionally buying a young striker for the future I would prefer Dolberg now. Especially with Zlatan still around for year or two to mentor him.