Kasper Dolberg

He's obsolete and had been so for quite a long time. National football is an elderly person job.

Less competitive leagues have 4-5 big games a season. More competitive leagues have to be on their toes for every single game. Hence why the most complete team the world in the world (AC Milan of the late 80s) didn't dominate Europe the way Barcelona did. At one point the Serie A was in such ridiculous situation that even the smallest of sides had talent like Laudrup, Hagi, Dunga, Batistuta etc.
I dont buy it, Holland has produced some great coaches and he's seen as one of the very best for a reason.

Look its true that the EPL is very competitive, but its not the sole reason that they cant perform in football. English football is outdated and still heavily reliant on pace and physique, tactically and technically just worse than German and Spanish teams, thats a bigger factor than anything.
 
Feck me this kid is good, 19 years old. Ajax have found themselves another gem.

 
Currently on 11 goals in 20 apps, 3 in Europe and 8 in the Eredivisie.
 
Playing great again today. Really hope he stays with Ajax for a few years to mature though.
 
Seems to be very humble and mature in his celebrations whereas you had the likes of El Ghazi with some annoying celebrations at times trying to mimic Ronaldo with hand-signs and calma calma stuff. Trust me, I'm a body language expert.
 
He should be executed for subjecting me to Bendtner's thighs

Hah! Wouldn't go that far, but maybe a month in an isolated cell?

Even LVG? Yeah he won the CL with Ajax, Barcelona, won titles with Barcelona, Bayern got The Netherlands to semi finals with a poor squad. What's that supposed to mean?

And I think that is a ridiculously lame excuse, so if PL teams were doing well, you'd just say yeah they are great because they dominate in Europe, and have a tough league. Either way the Pl gets praise, do well in Europe = best/toughest league in Europe, dont do well in Europe equals the same. As if teams in the Bundesliga or Italy just do nothing all match and wander a bit. The overrating of the PL is getting to a ridiculous level slowly.

Amen!
 
Big...United has money, Ajax has Overmars...who really likes money. But you will have be willing to pay a lot i guess.
Dolberg still has to say yes himself. Overmars would've sold Bazoer already for example but Bazoer didn't want to make the next step yet (irony that he'll leave now because Bosz won't play him..) and that's true for other players in the team as well.
 
After the way he may feel we have treated Depay, he may have second thoughts.
 
Hold on! Depay has been treated perfectly, he didnt take the numerous chances he got from us. He has been really poor himself and has got himself to blame really. But Dolberg will get to choose every club in Europe, he prefers Bundesliga though.

I said may feel.
 
After the way he may feel we have treated Depay, he may have second thoughts.

How we treated Memphis?
Paid him a fortune, gave him an iconic shirt number, gave him numerous chances to prove himself at a fantastic club, under a coach who he'd worked with before. Poor bastard, glad my employers weren't such cnuts to me.
 
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What's our real chances of signing him?
Close to zero. He's cool headed, Ajax is much better for his development than Mourinho, and he's got a lot of developping to do, he's special but the match before today he didn't get a touch right. That inconsistency is typical for young players, but they need a club that can handle that. So he'll play CL with Ajax for another two years and then Barcelona, Real and Bayern will offer him a contract. By that time the pound sterling will have dropped further effectively lowering his salary, United will be just one of five PL topclubs, and not a serious CL title contender, not an attacking side like he's used and the most of the fans don't even appreciate his kind of centre forward and the kind of football he excells in. The atmosphere in the PL isn't getting any better either, so it will be down to the attraction of living in the city itself, the weather, the food, the entertainment, the press....
 
Close to zero. He's cool headed, Ajax is much better for his development than Mourinho, and he's got a lot of developping to do, he's special but the match before today he didn't get a touch right. That inconsistency is typical for young players, but they need a club that can handle that. So he'll play CL with Ajax for another two years and then Barcelona, Real and Bayern will offer him a contract. By that time the pound sterling will have dropped further effectively lowering his salary, United will be just one of five PL topclubs, and not a serious CL title contender, not an attacking side like he's used and the most of the fans don't even appreciate his kind of centre forward and the kind of football he excells in. The atmosphere in the PL isn't getting any better either, so it will be down to the attraction of living in the city itself, the weather, the food, the entertainment, the press....

My god, someone is still upset we sacked his ultimate overlord & spiritual father a.k.a Louis :lol:

If we really wanted, he'd be here in Januari man...
 
Close to zero. He's cool headed, Ajax is much better for his development than Mourinho, and he's got a lot of developping to do, he's special but the match before today he didn't get a touch right. That inconsistency is typical for young players, but they need a club that can handle that. So he'll play CL with Ajax for another two years and then Barcelona, Real and Bayern will offer him a contract. By that time the pound sterling will have dropped further effectively lowering his salary, United will be just one of five PL topclubs, and not a serious CL title contender, not an attacking side like he's used and the most of the fans don't even appreciate his kind of centre forward and the kind of football he excells in. The atmosphere in the PL isn't getting any better either, so it will be down to the attraction of living in the city itself, the weather, the food, the entertainment, the press....
You're just a ray of sunshine, ain't ya
 
Close to zero. He's cool headed, Ajax is much better for his development than Mourinho, and he's got a lot of developping to do, he's special but the match before today he didn't get a touch right. That inconsistency is typical for young players, but they need a club that can handle that. So he'll play CL with Ajax for another two years and then Barcelona, Real and Bayern will offer him a contract. By that time the pound sterling will have dropped further effectively lowering his salary, United will be just one of five PL topclubs, and not a serious CL title contender, not an attacking side like he's used and the most of the fans don't even appreciate his kind of centre forward and the kind of football he excells in. The atmosphere in the PL isn't getting any better either, so it will be down to the attraction of living in the city itself, the weather, the food, the entertainment, the press....

Having a bad day mate?
 
My god, someone is still upset we sacked his ultimate overlord & spiritual father a.k.a Louis :lol:
Choices have consequences. And I'm not talking about the choice to sack Van Gaal, but the choice to replace him with Mourinho instead of a manager who has a simular approach to youth and tactics. No young talent will believe that a move to United is for his development right now.

If we really wanted, he'd be here in Januari man...
:lol: It's not cattle, players can't be bought at will. Youngsters from favela's or otherwise poor background with dodgy agents will still sign when a club offers them big money. But with the enormous wages these days and lots of money earned with advertisements etc, more and more talented youngsters have both the freedom to be patient and feel the need to plan their careers carefully. A level headed Dane like him is surely in that category. I like that, not just for Ajax, all those good players and great talents that warm the bench or the stands for the richest clubs should be playing so they can be enjoyed while they are getting better. It might even make the CL interesting again, with some surprises instead of the same clubs playing in the quarter finals every year.

Having a bad day mate?
Much better than yesterday, watched Ajax play. No, I don't think the future looks bright, I don't believe that in the long term United can compete with Europe's best with money, or even on money. I've said it last year, if Van Gaal is sacked at least keep trusting and investing in youth because that's the future, that is the edge that United needs on it's competitors.
 
Choices have consequences. And I'm not talking about the choice to sack Van Gaal, but the choice to replace him with Mourinho instead of a manager who has a simular approach to youth and tactics. No young talent will believe that a move to United is for his development right now.

:lol: It's not cattle, players can't be bought at will. Youngsters from favela's or otherwise poor background with dodgy agents will still sign when a club offers them big money. But with the enormous wages these days and lots of money earned with advertisements etc, more and more talented youngsters have both the freedom to be patient and feel the need to plan their careers carefully. A level headed Dane like him is surely in that category. I like that, not just for Ajax, all those good players and great talents that warm the bench or the stands for the richest clubs should be playing so they can be enjoyed while they are getting better. It might even make the CL interesting again, with some surprises instead of the same clubs playing in the quarter finals every year.

Meh. Of course, signing Dolberg in Januari makes no sense, both from his and our perspective. Saying we could sign him in Januari if we wanted to is still around 37 times more sensible than what you've posted though.

As for Mourinho and no young talent believing a move for United would be good for his development, I think that if you'd go from Robben in 2004 to Rashford in 2016, and some players (mostly forwards actually, someone like Balotelli springs to mind, but Bailly this year is a pretty good example too) in between, you'd come the conclusion that it's a bit of a random comment.

Mourinho is just an ultimate pragmatist, you can say a lot about his choices, sure he's mostly focussed on mature and settled players, but that's just because they give him the biggest chance at success and winning. And if he'd really wanted to sign you as a young player, I don't think you should be particularly concerned about your lack of development.
 
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Why can't we just be more like Dortmund? Spend more money on scouting talents that will develop within the club as first team regulars, instead of buying nomadic strikers and average rotational players.
 
How we treated Memphis?
Paid him a fortune, gave him an iconic shirt number, gave him numerous chances to prove himself at a fantastic club, under a coach who he'd worked with before. Poor bastard, glad my employers were such cnuts to me.

You don't need to tell me. These are footballers.
 
First of all, Depay was not lightyears ahead at all. Second, Dolberg has been better than Depay when Depay was Dolberg's current age.

He was, though. He was undisputedly the best player in the league. Dolberg is not in the first ten, and like all talents his age he will probably relapse soon, which is fine. Wether Dolberg is better than Depay at the same age doesn't matter, he is a talent in a pretty weak league and in a purple patch of form. It's been five months of professional football, man. Relax before making him the next Batistuta.
 
He was, though. He was undisputedly the best player in the league. Dolberg is not in the first ten, and like all talents his age he will probably relapse soon, which is fine. Wether Dolberg is better than Depay at the same age doesn't matter, he is a talent in a pretty weak league and in a purple patch of form. It's been five months of professional football, man. Relax before making him the next Batistuta.
Whilst I agree there's no reason to hype youngsters before they've proven worthy over a time of consistency, you would be mad to just say "the Dutch League is just a weak league".
One of the teams best us last season in the euro, the other has been an incredible team throughout history and we're facing a third team from this division this week.
And it's not just domestic players that have shown successfully. Players like Suarez, Zlatan, Eriksen etc. Had their training and prime youth development in holland.
If we sticked to your way of thinking, we'd only be impressed by players playing in the top 4 leagues, and buying players way too late and already "raised" into these clubs way of thinking and playing.
Holland is one of the best youth developing leagues in the world, which is why we just hired a renowned Dutch scout.
Stop basing your judgement upon selected "failures" and stick to facts.
 
I think we need to concentrate on buying proven talent for now. We have plenty of young talented players.

Rashford and Martial deserve opportunities at striker before other young strikers come in.
 
I think we need to concentrate on buying proven talent for now. We have plenty of young talented players.

Rashford and Martial deserve opportunities at striker before other young strikers come in.
I agree.
But it's a hard balance if u think about it.
The earlier you buy a player, the more you can shape him into the player you want him to become, and at a lower price.
But on the other hand, letting him stay gives him more match time and let's him build consistency and mature, but raises his price considerably.
 
I think we need to concentrate on buying proven talent for now. We have plenty of young talented players.

Rashford and Martial deserve opportunities at striker before other young strikers come in.
Yeah. We should keep buying older strikers that can lead the line until one of them is ready.
 
Whilst I agree there's no reason to hype youngsters before they've proven worthy over a time of consistency, you would be mad to just say "the Dutch League is just a weak league".
One of the teams best us last season in the euro, the other has been an incredible team throughout history and we're facing a third team from this division this week.
And it's not just domestic players that have shown successfully. Players like Suarez, Zlatan, Eriksen etc. Had their training and prime youth development in holland.
If we sticked to your way of thinking, we'd only be impressed by players playing in the top 4 leagues, and buying players way too late and already "raised" into these clubs way of thinking and playing.
Holland is one of the best youth developing leagues in the world, which is why we just hired a renowned Dutch scout.
Stop basing your judgement upon selected "failures" and stick to facts.
Our past 5 matches against dutch teams 1 won, 3 lost and 1 drawn and yet they talk as if the Eredivisie is Championship level or below.
 
Close to zero. He's cool headed, Ajax is much better for his development than Mourinho, and he's got a lot of developping to do, he's special but the match before today he didn't get a touch right. That inconsistency is typical for young players, but they need a club that can handle that. So he'll play CL with Ajax for another two years and then Barcelona, Real and Bayern will offer him a contract. By that time the pound sterling will have dropped further effectively lowering his salary, United will be just one of five PL topclubs, and not a serious CL title contender, not an attacking side like he's used and the most of the fans don't even appreciate his kind of centre forward and the kind of football he excells in. The atmosphere in the PL isn't getting any better either, so it will be down to the attraction of living in the city itself, the weather, the food, the entertainment, the press....
:lol: