Yep, that is very true. However, even within the realm of critical debate there are often some fundamental facts about the nature of a piece of art that almost everybody will accept. Describing Yeezus as a pop album would be more akin to describing Macbeth as a comedy.
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Yep, that is very true. However, even within the realm of critical debate there are often some fundamental facts about the nature of a piece of art that almost everybody will accept. Describing Yeezus as a pop album would be more akin to describing Macbeth as a comedy.
I like the old and new Kanye, his soul sampling days were immense but he has grown as an artist and I listen to him now not really thinking on hip hop. Hip hop is an incredibly flexible at genre at heart anyway, I try not to get bogged down in it, though as an umbrella term it is just about still applicable to Kanye. I respect your opinion though.
I didn't understand MBDTF when it came out. Thought it was grossly overrated for the longest. Finally gave it a proper chance and immersed myself in it. Emotional egotistical rollercoaster from the top to the bottom, from start to finish. Totally deserving of all the high accolades it has received.
I thought his first three albums were pop. His recent three have been much more musically ambitious.
I like Yeezus. I am looking forward to hearing the new one as well.
I like Yeezus. I am looking forward to hearing the new one as well.
Is it worth listening to this? I was hoping to just listen to the proper quality release of the album today, but there's still no sign of when/ where that will show up...
Also I really liked 'No More Parties in LA'. 
It's probably still unfinished. Most of the songs played were quite short.
I hate Yeezus, love MBDTF, but neither are pop. His older albums are more poppy.
FFS. Why announce yesterday as the release?Hold My Liquor is an awesome song. Even Lou Reed thinks so, just for added kudos. Guilt Trip is great, too.
On the subject of Yeezus, it seems every 6-9 months someone talks to me about it and I go "Hmmm maybe I didn't really get it when I last listened" and I give it another listen and I just think it is utter nonsense. I just don't get how these songs with little discernable structure can be rated so highly. Hold my Liquor and Blood on the Leaves aside.
On the other hand I still think MBDTF is maybe the best album of the last 15 years. The production, the pacing, the lyricism, the guest verses, the sampling - everything is just perfect from top to bottom. Plus Runaway is an unreal song. Absolute masterpiece that album, will argue that with anyone.
On the other hand I still think MBDTF is maybe the best album of the last 15 years. The production, the pacing, the lyricism, the guest verses, the sampling - everything is just perfect from top to bottom. Plus Runaway is an unreal song. Absolute masterpiece that album, will argue that with anyone.
Can he hurry up and release this? I want CDQ of Frank Ocean's 20 second outro.
Very weird show, hilarious and ridiculous in equal measure. it was like Kanye and his mates were at a house party the way they were taking the AUX cable out and plugging it into their phones to put on a song before the last one had finished. I'll wait until the proper version of the album is out before I judge TLOP, though.
I don't even want to know how much coke he was on when he decided to make his own video game.
I don't even want to know how much coke he was on when he decided to make his own video game.
Genuinely took me about 6 run-throughs of Yeezus (it was a long summer) before I began to like it. After that, Hold My Liquor and Guilt Trip became two of my favourite songs of recent times. I'm In It is really good after the first 40 seconds, frantic as hell.
I think yesterday when I listened to it was probably about my 6th time and to be honest, yeah it has its good aspects but I just find it a struggle to enjoy. Maybe I'm judging it by Fantasy, which would show up most albums in my eyes, but I just haven't "got" Yeezus yet. Like I say ill probably try again in 6 months. I just hope the new album is a bit more 808's and Fantasy.
If we're talking about an album as a whole then I'm not sure individual songs necessarily need to have a traditional song structure to be highly rated? I mean some albums can work as collages of ideas/sounds as much as collections of individual songs.
This is the most Kanye comment in the thread.
It is getting a tidbit apologist from his ardent supporters. I'm yet to form an opinion because I've only heard snippets, but on other boards from people who have heard the whole thing, reviews appear mixed.
It is getting a tidbit apologist from his ardent supporters. I'm yet to form an opinion because I've only heard snippets, but on other boards from people who have heard the whole thing, reviews appear mixed.
Haven't heard anything from the album yet but I'd say it'll be very hard to get an accurate assessment from reviews as a lot of them will be split between Kanye acolytes who'd praise anything he puts out and Kanye haters who will refuse to be impressed. He's too divisive for the reviews to be anything but mixed, at least initially. Sort of album you'll have to make your own mind up about.
Apart from FML the best songs on it are ones we've already heard (Wolves, Fade, Real Friends) which means the release is a little underwhelming.
I agree with this post, except for the lyricism part (that's where he's become pretty weak as far as I'm concerned, but it was never his strongest point). And the best album of the last 15 years part. It was good, though.
Pop might have been the wrong choice of word. I meant just not hip hop, but it's all subjective.
I mean, compare songs like this
To anything he does now, and the difference is striking.
The version of Wolves with Sia was a lot better IMO. I hope he cut down some songs for the show otherwise it'll be a really short album.
Some of his lyrics have gotten hilariously bad recently but I never really listened to Kanye for lyricism anyway.
He's a gifted producer, definitely. But I can't stand his voice, his singing/rapping is god awful.
Luckily I've managed to avoid everything that's on the album so far.
Wonder if it'll be anything like his last one...
http://kotaku.com/for-two-years-the-kanye-west-rpg-has-been-hiding-a-dis-1704673459
Daily Mail said:
Take that, Kanye.
And:
How the hell can he still be mastering when it was supposed to be out yesterday? The guy has always been eccentric but that is just sloppy.
One thing you can rest assured on, this is going down how He wanted it to.
Surprisingly enough 30 hours is a pretty good track, love the fecking around with the album to be fair to him
Must admit I love the older Kanye much more than this version. Still looking forward to listening to the album properly though.
Is 808's the point where Kanye started to lose the fans who preferred his older stuff? Or do ye like that album?
808's was groundbreaking, I still love it. MBDTF is still his best project.
I also love Yeezus, not too excited about this album though it has to be said
I'd rank them as follows:
1) The College Dropout
2) My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
3) Late Registration
4) Graduation
5) Yeezus
6) 808s & Heartbreak
While I think his production has become more creative and interesting as his albums have progressed peaking with MBDTF, unfortunately his lyrics have regressed massively. He was never great to begin with but he had a clear message in his songs. Now it feels as if he is going for shock value and they're pretty cringeworthy. Eminem did that in his early days but he had the wit and humour to pull it off.
1) The College Dropout
2) My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
3) Late Registration
4) Graduation
5) Yeezus
6) 808s & Heartbreak
While I think his production has become more creative and interesting as his albums have progressed peaking with MBDTF, unfortunately his lyrics have regressed massively. He was never great to begin with but he had a clear message in his songs. Now it feels as if he is going for shock value and they're pretty cringeworthy. Eminem did that in his early days but he had the wit and humour to pull it off.
Well he's probably releasing through iTunes, not like he has to mint CDs like the old days.
1. MBDTF
2. Yeezus
3. 808's
4. College Dropout
5. Late Registration
6. Graduation
I didn't start really appreciating his stuff 'til 808's came out and it shows. His first three albums sound so basic, straightforward and predictable to me when compared to his last three.
2. Yeezus
3. 808's
4. College Dropout
5. Late Registration
6. Graduation
I didn't start really appreciating his stuff 'til 808's came out and it shows. His first three albums sound so basic, straightforward and predictable to me when compared to his last three.
This is the most mental album release I can remember.