Kalidou Koulibaly

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Thanks, not heard of him. Only heard of Upamecano from there from our links with him.
They have a couple of very exciting young players there. Maybe United should look to appoint their Director of Football (Paul Mitchell) :)
 
Ibrahima Konate from RB Leipzig. Turns 20 in the summer.
He is strong in the aerial duels, very physical strong, fast, and he is calm and can bring the ball out from defence. He has been great in the Bundesliga and Europa League this season. Great player already.
There are players out there who could be great for us. Konate,Godfrey and eevn promoting our own Tuanzebe. There's no need to undervalue our own just because they're playing in the Championship. It's a tough physical league and a great grounding for defenders
 
They have a couple of very exciting young players there. Maybe United should look to appoint their Director of Football (Paul Mitchell) :)
Great idea but he's not their DOF, he's head of recruitment.
Rangnick is the coach and DOF- go figure;)
 
There are players out there who could be great for us. Konate,Godfrey and eevn promoting our own Tuanzebe. There's no need to undervalue our own just because they're playing in the Championship. It's a tough physical league and a great grounding for defenders
Indeed. I would like to see Tuanzebe, Konate, Godfrey and Lindelöf as our central defenders next season. Maybe keep Bailly. Sell the rest, they are not good enough. As I've said before, trust the young guys and build for the future.
 
Great idea but he's not their DOF, he's head of recruitment.
Rangnick is the coach and DOF- go figure;)
Yeah ok. But he is doing a terific job as head of recruitment :)
Just snapped up a fantastic young left back from Brazil. They are perhaps a special club due to the Red Bull links, but they are doing a lot of things right as a club.
 
Indeed. I would like to see Tuanzebe, Konate, Godfrey and Lindelöf as our central defenders next season. Maybe keep Bailly. Sell the rest, they are not good enough. As I've said before, trust the young guys and build for the future.
I'd keep Smalling, he's experienced and would help with transition. He's not as useless as Jones,Bailly,Darmian and Rojo
 
Yeah ok. But he is doing a terific job as head of recruitment :)
Just snapped up a fantastic young left back from Brazil. They are perhaps a special club due to the Red Bull links, but they are doing a lot of things right as a club.
And there's the problem. He's begun his strategy for next season. Not sure he's going to leave just yet
 
I'm praying we don't go for him. Just a more expensive version of Bailly. I want a defender with a brain as well as ability.
If you've watched Koulibally and thought 'this guy doesn't have a brain' you need to find a new sport to watch.
 
Very good defender, but doesn't have the "dominant defender" profile that we desperately need.

I really enjoyed Konaté from RB Leipzig, but as I don't follow bundesliga that much can't say if he fits the shoe.
 
Ibrahima Konate from RB Leipzig. Turns 20 in the summer.
He is strong in the aerial duels, very physical strong, fast, and he is calm and can bring the ball out from defence. He has been great in the Bundesliga and Europa League this season. Great player already.
Agree with you totally, he´s very impressive already at age 20.
 
Very good defender, but doesn't have the "dominant defender" profile that we desperately need.

I really enjoyed Konaté from RB Leipzig, but as I don't follow bundesliga that much can't say if he fits the shoe.
Smalling is plenty dominant enough, but he's rubbish with the ball.

Koulibaly is the best mixture of physique and skill that we can get. He's also natural at LCB which is important, as all our other CB prefer the right side.
 
Smalling is plenty dominant enough, but he's rubbish with the ball.

He's really not.

The amount of times the ball goes into the box (or any other aerial duel) and he's got his arms all over the attacker trying to stop them and they still win the ball is shocking. He's a liability in that regard.

Face facts. He's crap and we've had enough of him, get rid.

He's plenty dominant compared to our other defenders yes, but that shows how standards have slipped massively. We need a mass clearout of the defence.

And then yeah, he's rubbish with the ball.
 
There are players out there who could be great for us. Konate,Godfrey and eevn promoting our own Tuanzebe. There's no need to undervalue our own just because they're playing in the Championship. It's a tough physical league and a great grounding for defenders

I like Tuanzebe. I think he can have a place in the squad. Why hire an expensive 4th choice if we can get the same end product at our own home?
 
He's really not.

The amount of times the ball goes into the box (or any other aerial duel) and he's got his arms all over the attacker trying to stop them and they still win the ball is shocking. He's a liability in that regard.

Face facts. He's crap and we've had enough of him, get rid.

He's plenty dominant compared to our other defenders yes, but that shows how standards have slipped massively. We need a mass clearout of the defence.

And then yeah, he's rubbish with the ball.
We have no ball playing CBs, Lindelof apart. Jose got rid of Blind because it was felt he was slow and the Caf rejoiced. Now we’re stuck with defenders who love passing to the opposition
 
He would be great, same as De Ligt.
I would even improve our defense signing Alderweireld, Godin and Meunier for 50m.

Unfortunately, I think Ole has different targets in mind.
 
He would be great, same as De Ligt.
I would even improve our defense signing Alderweireld, Godin and Meunier for 50m.

Unfortunately, I think Ole has different targets in mind.
Yes , like Maguire . Mediocrity added to mediocrity . If the Glaziers cant show ambition higher than Maguire its high time they were forced to sell
 
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He's really not.

The amount of times the ball goes into the box (or any other aerial duel) and he's got his arms all over the attacker trying to stop them and they still win the ball is shocking. He's a liability in that regard.

Face facts. He's crap and we've had enough of him, get rid.

He's plenty dominant compared to our other defenders yes, but that shows how standards have slipped massively. We need a mass clearout of the defence.

And then yeah, he's rubbish with the ball.
His best season was with two DM's camped 25 yards from De Gea. Terrible terrible footballer but he is good for a goal sometimes so outside of Lindelof he would be the one I'd keep. Any offer close to 30mil and he should be rushed out the door.
 
The amount of times the ball goes into the box (or any other aerial duel) and he's got his arms all over the attacker trying to stop them and they still win the ball is shocking. He's a liability in that regard.
Set pieces he's not amazing at. Still better than any of our other options and he's certainly not a 'liability', but it's not a real strength either. However in open play there's not many around who are more physically dominant in the air. No central defender wins every challenge.
 
He's really not.

The amount of times the ball goes into the box (or any other aerial duel) and he's got his arms all over the attacker trying to stop them and they still win the ball is shocking. He's a liability in that regard.

Face facts. He's crap and we've had enough of him, get rid.

He's plenty dominant compared to our other defenders yes, but that shows how standards have slipped massively. We need a mass clearout of the defence.

And then yeah, he's rubbish with the ball.
I reckon lots of fans just consider his qualities in theory, fast, tall and strong, link it together with excellent that run of form a few years ago, and Mark him as "dominant" and "excellent at defending".

Every time I see him play he's making mistakes of some sort and coming second in situations he shouldn't be. Not blatant enough to register on the Lovren scale, but there is a reason why you are conceding truckloads of goals this season with Smalling as first choice.

He's just not that good a defender. He'd be 4th choice at the top four clubs and he's 1st pick at United. He's just not starting material for the kind of club you want to be, and a solid reflection of why you are where you are now.
 
I reckon lots of fans just consider his qualities in theory, fast, tall and strong, link it together with excellent that run of form a few years ago, and Mark him as "dominant" and "excellent at defending".

Every time I see him play he's making mistakes of some sort and coming second in situations he shouldn't be. Not blatant enough to register on the Lovren scale, but there is a reason why you are conceding truckloads of goals this season with Smalling as first choice.

He's just not that good a defender. He'd be 4th choice at the top four clubs and he's 1st pick at United. He's just not starting material for the kind of club you want to be, and a solid reflection of why you are where you are now.

No doubt.
 
Yes , like Maguire . Mediocrity added to mediocrity . If the Glaziers cant show ambition higher than Maguire its high time they were forced to sell
Maguire isn't world class or anything, but he's good enough to play for a top 4 club and would be your best defender if he came.
 
Maguire isn't world class or anything, but he's good enough to play for a top 4 club and would be your best defender if he came.

He's a good footballer Maguire, and strong too. Most importantly of all though, he's composed and would fit in at any top 4 club, despite as you say not being World Class.
 
Things have cooled down at this end. Maybe we have been put off by Napoli's asking price?
 
He's a good footballer Maguire, and strong too. Most importantly of all though, he's composed and would fit in at any top 4 club, despite as you say not being World Class.

I'd agree. There's a lad that played for Celtic, no takers. Southampton, no takers until Liverpool turned up with 80m bid. What!!! Not world class, stupid dippers. 80m now would only buy his left boot. I think Maguire is as good.
 
I'd agree. There's a lad that played for Celtic, no takers. Southampton, no takers until Liverpool turned up with 80m bid. What!!! Not world class, stupid dippers. 80m now would only buy his left boot. I think Maguire is as good.

VVD was comfortably the best centre back in the league when at Southampton. Maguire isn't a patch on that.
 
Really? I don't remember anyone saying that when he was at the Saints.

I do. Quite sure I saw a few posters here with that consensus. I definately agreed with that view too. At the time him, Vertonghen and Alderwierald were probably top 3 but he was often flawless in games (still is).

Maguire on the other hand has had quite a few errors in him during his time at Leicester.
 
I do. Quite sure I saw a few posters here with that consensus. I definately agreed with that view too. At the time him, Vertonghen and Alderwierald were probably top 3 but he was often flawless in games (still is).

It was always the bolded name that was always mentioned from what I remember.
 
It was always the bolded name that was always mentioned from what I remember.

Alderwierald and VVD at the time had great records for their clubs. There was a "with VVD and without VVD" stat for Southampton when he was frozen out. Same for Alderwierald when he got injured. Both had similar impacts on their club.

VVD is simply another level though. He's certainly much much better than Maguire even if you look at his Southampton time. Just look at the old VVD thread, he was tipped by posters as "the best defender we could get" and a "no brainer".

Maguire on the other hand.. Well he has a mistake in him which makes us think a bit more. Although an upgrade on what we have he's definately no VVD.
 
Alderwierald and VVD at the time had great records for their clubs. There was a "with VVD and without VVD" stat for Southampton when he was frozen out. Same for Alderwierald when he got injured. Both had similar impacts on their club.

VVD is simply another level though. He's certainly much much better than Maguire even if you look at his Southampton time. Just look at the old VVD thread, he was tipped by posters as "the best defender we could get" and a "no brainer".

Maguire on the other hand.. Well he has a mistake in him which makes us think a bit more. Although an upgrade on what we have he's definately no VVD.

Oh ok, tbh I wouldn't mind Maguire just not for crazy money. He's younger than VVD so he can still improve, I think it's safe to say VVD is at his peak now.
 
Oh ok, tbh I wouldn't mind Maguire just not for crazy money. He's younger than VVD so he can still improve, I think it's safe to say VVD is at his peak now.

I think a lot of people wouldn't mind him for fair money as he would be an improvement on what we have. Those thinking he is vvd level are just reaching and we would look stupid getting him for 70m
 
VVD was comfortably the best centre back in the league when at Southampton. Maguire isn't a patch on that.

Hindsight is an exact science. I don't remember too many saying he was the best defender in the prem either. Might have been but I'm suggesting that people's potential isn't always evident. Maguire for me is certainly up there and def contributed to the quality of this Leicester team. If he isn't at VVD level, he's second as I can't think of anyone else that is in the prem.
 
If I was Ole I'd bin Jones/Rojo and get Alderweireld + Maguire/Koulibaly/De Ligt this summer.

If Sancho isn't available this year then let's fix the defence.
 
If I was Ole I'd bin Jones/Rojo and get Alderweireld + Maguire/Koulibaly/De Ligt this summer.

If Sancho isn't available this year then let's fix the defence.
I don't really get this argument, when our football was fecking boring at points and we hardly score, surely creativity and goals have to be put above defence right now. If we just have a good defence, we'll end up like a boring Mourinho side.
 
I don't really get this argument, when our football was fecking boring at points and we hardly score, surely creativity and goals have to be put above defence right now. If we just have a good defence, we'll end up like a boring Mourinho side.
Because we need to start somewhere. If we can't score 3-4 a game then let's start getting more clean sheets. You only need 1 goal to win a match.

Obviously it would be nice to fix both ends, but it might not be possible all at the same time.
 
Because we need to start somewhere. If we can't score 3-4 a game then let's start getting more clean sheets. You only need 1 goal to win a match.

Obviously it would be nice to fix both ends, but it might not be possible all at the same time.
Yeah, that was kind of my point, would you not want to score a few more goals first?! I hate to say it, but kind of how Liverpool did it.
 
Yeah, that was kind of my point, would you not want to score a few more goals first?! I hate to say it, but kind of how Liverpool did it.
Well yes it would be nice, but i'm not so sure a Salah/Mane etc is easily available this summer? I do think our players we currently have are capable of way more goals, but the rest of the team structure needs sorting first. Look at Robertson/TAA, They're providing so much from wide areas which allow Mane/Salah to be in goal scoring positions, our fullbacks don't give us that.

We will have to see what happens this summer but we were scoring plenty under Ole at the beginning, we just need that sharpness back. Hopefully a reset with pre season will help.
 
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