You finished 32 points behind City in 18/19. We finished 33 points behind Liverpool this past season.
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You finished 32 points behind City in 18/19. We finished 33 points behind Liverpool this past season.
In my opinion, with such a congested fixture list in 2020/21 and inevitable injuries to many players, Chelsea's strength will not be so much their six incoming players who've barely had any preseason with Lampard, or time to properly integrate in the team, but their second choice members who've been with the club for a long time now.
Mount, Barkley, Giroud, Abraham, Hudson Odoi, Jorginho, Alonso, Gilmour, Tomori, Willy Caballero... They have a B team that is good enough for the Premier League!
Mount, Barkley, Giroud, Abraham, Hudson Odoi, Jorginho, Alonso, Gilmour, Tomori, Willy Caballero... They have a B team that is good enough for the Premier League!
Yeah exactly. The vibe coming from the club since they brought Jose back is that they're looking for a leader who can stay with us longer term and really build something. Fingers crossed Frank is the one!
100%, although I suppose it’s just wishing we had that outlay again.
I didn't need to read twice to know exactly what you are saying. You seem to have a very one dimensional approach to your line of thought, which suits your narrative evidently. You're not taking into account the fact that we are playing catch up to two of the best ever PL winning sides in history whiles coming out of a transfer ban. Two very settled teams with elite managers who are also looking to add to their already WC squads. To be expecting Chelsea to beat them or even closely challenge for the title is frankly unrealistic and not an expectation any reasonable Chelsea fan holds the team and manager to. We expect to do a whole lot better points-wise and see a bit of improvement in the defensive phase + a domestic cup challenge.
As much as we'll both love it, City and Liverpool aren't going away anytime soon and to expect either Chelsea or United to mount a close title challenge or win as early as this season would only take a substantial fall in performance from both of them.
While I realise that, I think last year Liverpool were scrapping through games quite often and I think the points tally will end up being closer to what City had in the end.
Everybody in the league is stronger so I suspect teams will be taking more points off eachother. Just my expectations anyway.
People get sentimental when it comes to ex players they idolize. I can’t imagine a foreign manager being massively supported in the transfer market with quality acquisitions while we all expect a mediocre season. Jose in his first season signed 7 quality players, and there were no excuse in regards to our expectations.
You also had Pedro and Willian who just left, and Giroud.
Giroud hasn't left.
Giroud wasn't on the team in 16/17. Also yes they've just left so unsure as to how they're helping us build a title-contending squad this year?
Just realised he signed for you in 2018, for some reason I had it stuck in my head it was 2017. Apologies.
Obviously not this year, but having title winning players in your squad for the past 3/4 years creates a certain mentality. It's a big part of why people were annoyed when Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and to a lesser extent Nani were all prematurely shown the door.
No worries mate!
And gotcha, I can see how that makes sense from a mentality perspective; I was focused more on players actually remaining. That said, I do think that some of the key senior players from that 16/17 team have been gone for a while now - Terry, Cahill, Fabregas, and even David Luiz. Willian has always been a bit daft and not really leadership material, and by all accounts Pedro was very reserved and kept to himself.
Having said that, I would agree that that experience has helped Azpilicueta in particular in terms of his mentality, so from that respect what you're saying makes sense.
In last 2 years our net spend is around 80M/year even according to Transfermarkt, We sold players like Lukaku/Blind/Sam/Fellaini etc
Sine 2016 our net spend is around 100M per year but if you add 3 years before that it is around 85M per year in last 7 years means we spent 600M Net money in 7 seasons
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Rather amusing that Willian has been signed by Arsenal to bring a bit old headed professionalism despite being somewhat of a dafty?! Straying off-topic but it’ll be interesting to see whether or not Willian is the master stroke people are suggesting.
Cheers for the insight though, it should be a great season.
That's for 2018/19 and 2019/20.
For the same period, Chelsea's is 9M/year according to Transfermarkt.
Net spend is not really very useful but if it was Chelsea have a much lower net spend than Man United over the past few years.
:0 can't argue with that but i think our net spend for last 7 years is 600M(85M/year) unlike some sites claim we spent around 800M net since SAF retired which is wrong,
I counted every transfer, compared it to transfermarkt and came around this figure.
More than double Chelsea's net spend figure for the same period of 39 million per year (according to Transfermarkt).
As I said, net spend does not really tell the whole story.
Yeah, Willian has been very sulky when on the bench and he also posted a picture to instagram after we won the FA Cup in 17/18 with Conte covered in emojis. Like I said, definitely a bit daft.
I personally am glad to see the back of him; immensely frustrating player as his talent & workrate should have made him far better - he's consistently been held back by a lack of quality in the final third and by appalling decision-making. From my perspective Arsenal are insane to give him 3 years.
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I don't see how he can be better than that as a central player.
Maybe when he dribbles the whole opposing team on a regular match day.
The second highest number of assists last season in the bundesliga at 21 years.
I don't see how he can be better than that as a central player.
Maybe when he dribbles the whole opposing team on a regular match day.
Thanks for the insight. So nobody can be better than Havertz cos he's the best Eva. Isn't Sancho younger than Havertz and had an even better season than him? Sorry I forgot, central players are always better than wide players. My bad.
Havertz and Sancho are qually talented in my opinion. Both will be considered soon as the best in their respective positions in the world. But Sancho is the more flashy and exciting of the two because he does a lot of flicks, tricks, and awesome dribbles. He's easier to appreciate to the casual viewer. He's an explosive player who reminds me of Hazard on the ball.
Havertz is much more subtle and smooth. The comparison I've seen is like a prime Özil if he were much taller and not lazy. I have a feeling we'll be hearing the common English football commentator phrase "Rolls Royce of a player" a bunch this season in regards to Kai.
Havertz is much more subtle and smooth. The comparison I've seen is like a prime Özil if he were much taller and not lazy. I have a feeling we'll be hearing the common English football commentator phrase "Rolls Royce of a player" a bunch this season in regards to Kai.
So are Chelsea planning to announce Havertz just before the Germany match or unveil him at Stamford Bridge after the match?
I suppose there's no reason other than this international match.
I suppose there's no reason other than this international match.
Last season as in 2019-20 season? If so, no. 20 players had more assists than Havertz. Season before that 65 players had more assists than Havertz.
Not sure where you got this "second highest number of assists in Bundesliga" from.
Chelsea fans rightly have every reason to be excited this season. Whilst I don't expect them to win the league, a team that finished top four who have now added the players they have should be top two as a minimum.
It'll also be interesting to see what they do with Mount, RLC, CHO, Abraham and Gilmore. More loan spells or fringe minutes?
It'll also be interesting to see what they do with Mount, RLC, CHO, Abraham and Gilmore. More loan spells or fringe minutes?
Facts are stupid things.
Lampard has been backed more than Ole despite that both have spent the same amount of money and signed roughly the same number of players.
Of course Lampard will be under pressure if performed worse than last season with this much investment. Not only him ole too will be under pressure coming season if he performed worse than last.
I expect ole will challenge for title as much as Lampard but ultimately both will overpowered by city and Liverpool. But no shame in that. I expect a title challenge but will be hard to cross the line as champion's and good CL run.
I expect ole will challenge for title as much as Lampard but ultimately both will overpowered by city and Liverpool. But no shame in that. I expect a title challenge but will be hard to cross the line as champion's and good CL run.
The thought of Madrid ghosting his agent is killing me
The thought of Madrid ghosting his agent is killing me
Excuses like the scouse put out after they didnt have the money to buy werner.
The thought of Madrid ghosting his agent is killing me
RM have no money so chance of a deal was always zero for next couple of years. Bernabeau costs, Bale wages and Hazard saw to that.
I'm not really that optimistic about this signing.
These big transfers never seem to work. He's young, moving to new league and country not always easy.
City and Pool are clearly better. United are just as good and could add more players. I think top 4 is acceptable this season even without a title challenge.
Everyone in Germany and their grandmother, lots of people with decades of experience all tell me he's going to be next big thing in German football. A genuine world-class player and potential Ballon d'Or contender.
All I see is a very, very neat and talented player who could have a great career. I'm probably going to look foolish very soon considering how many people predict he will have a world-class career, but well everyone in Germany said the same things about Mario Götze so we'll see.
All I see is a very, very neat and talented player who could have a great career. I'm probably going to look foolish very soon considering how many people predict he will have a world-class career, but well everyone in Germany said the same things about Mario Götze so we'll see.
Didn't Gotze have an undiagnosed metabolic disorder that dramatically affected his fitness? Feel like that had more to do with him failing to reach his potential more than anything (and obviously he still managed to win the World Cup).
Götze has been struggling for several years with a rare metabolic disorder that causes muscle weakness, excessive fatigue, cramps, and muscle injuries. He has opened up several times with his recurring struggles for a number of years. The formal diagnosis was made in 2016.
What Götze has managed despite the medical problem is testimony to his enormous talent and abilities. Sadly though, he never hit the footballing peak, which he could if he didn't have the myopathy.
Had just finished typing that
Hah your post is better than mine anyhow! Totally agreed with the bolded, by the way.
Havertz is a special talent, no doubt. He's got excellent technique and physical capabilities but he's not as smooth and tricky on the ball as someone like Sancho. You probably won't see performances from him in which he takes on defenders again and again and again. His biggest asset is definitely his intelligence. He's incredibly mature on the ball, has very few unnecessary losses of possession, knows which passes to play in order to create space etc. and has an eye for a goal himself. We'll see if that'll be enough for becoming a Ballon D'Or contender. In a Messi era probably not but if the competition consists of Mbappe, Sancho, Felix etc. it's possible.
Götze is a different talent, though. Have him in the same league as Sancho back in the days. Neymar, Götze and Hazard to me were more talented than the current bunch of youngsters.
Fully agree. Götze was beyond special, a real prodigy. He was easily the best player in the team that reached the CL final aged 20 and that team featured Lewandowski, Reus and a truly astonishing Gündogan. It's a shame that his career turned out this way, it's sort of the German version of R9, just at a smaller scale obviously. He could be fighting with Neymar for Messi's throne right now if it wasn't for that condition.
Seems to be happening today, as per David Ornstein...
€70m upfront plus add ons is the report.
€70m upfront plus add ons is the report.
'Add ons' are quickly becoming my least favourite aspect of transfers. It's so vague just putting add ons as they can mean a number of things. Just tell us the guaranteed minimum payment (inclusive of add ons) and be done with it. Nobody cares when the money will be paid. People want to know the true price.
In this case, we know what the add-ons are, because the overall price is about £90m.
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