To be fair, 5 of the 10 goals conceded were in the first two games. So that's arguably distorted things a bit.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Fourth place but two points off the top, played last season's top 3 plus Chelsea away and we've only had two games at home out of seven.
Comfortably the most difficult start of any side and still only two points off the top.
We should wait until at least December before really judging what we're capable of. Our fixtures after United include the likes of West Brom, Palace and Watford, sides that we dropped points to last season. If we get through that with a good points tally and still find ourselves in the mix then I'd say we will be looking good for top four.
I still think the title is beyond us though.
Tough fixtures? My fecking arse.
Burnley, Hull and Swansea are fecking shite, you were incredibly fortunate to come against Arsenal when half their defenders were crocked, Chelsea had just come off the back of a shite draw at Swansea and were struggling to click, and Leicester have been there for the taking, as demonstrated by United, Chelsea and fecking Hull. You even managed to catch Spurs before they became properly rampant.
This is like Rodgers 2013/14 all over again. Same fly-out-the-blocks, shit-or-bust style, requiring multiple goal cushions to hang on to leads, and having either no answer or needing luck to get you through when going behind, even against shite teams. All main rivals (sans Spurs and Arsenal) have new managers, and you have the benefit of no European football. Only differences being this season you no longer have Luis Suarez, you do have a manager that makes everyone run even further, and United and Spurs seem to have their shit more together this time around.
You're apparently already at peak performance, yet there are still two teams playing better than you, one level on points, and the other two rivals that have apparently had dodgy starts and haven't clicked yet are just 3 points behind.
Fight for top 4 is the best you're getting.
Burnley, Hull and Swansea are fecking shite, you were incredibly fortunate to come against Arsenal when half their defenders were crocked, Chelsea had just come off the back of a shite draw at Swansea and were struggling to click, and Leicester have been there for the taking, as demonstrated by United, Chelsea and fecking Hull. You even managed to catch Spurs before they became properly rampant.
This is like Rodgers 2013/14 all over again. Same fly-out-the-blocks, shit-or-bust style, requiring multiple goal cushions to hang on to leads, and having either no answer or needing luck to get you through when going behind, even against shite teams. All main rivals (sans Spurs and Arsenal) have new managers, and you have the benefit of no European football. Only differences being this season you no longer have Luis Suarez, you do have a manager that makes everyone run even further, and United and Spurs seem to have their shit more together this time around.
You're apparently already at peak performance, yet there are still two teams playing better than you, one level on points, and the other two rivals that have apparently had dodgy starts and haven't clicked yet are just 3 points behind.
Fight for top 4 is the best you're getting.
Any argument where cheap shots are thrown.
You can talk all day about Arsenal having a weakened defence, but we had £3m man Klavan, Moreno and Mignolet playing that game.
We ended Conte's long standing unbeaten record at home.
We outplayed Spurs in their own backyard and would have won but for a disallowed goal.
On top of all this, we've only played two home games. But yeah, nice chest thumping.
So what does count as a tough fixture in your eyes? Based on the nonsense you've posted there's an excuse for why Liverpool beat anyone. Let's be honest here, if United had come through Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea away with 7 points you'd be over the moon. If Arsenal and Spurs weren't ready for the season when we played them then that's on them. Klopp made sure we were ready and we picked up points against our rivals.
If you don't think Klopp's style of play is sustainable over the whole season then fair enough. That opinion might prove to be correct come May and we'll see what happens, but at least try and show a tiny bit of objectivity. Leicester sustained a title challenge and won the league whilst giving the opposition more of the ball and Spurs challenged using a pressing style of play despite having Europa League to contend with. I think you're right that we'll fall short of a title challenge but the way you brush off what you've seen from Liverpool so far is ridiculous.
Largely on your side here, but the disallowed goal that you refer to was offside, only just but it was off.
You bought Klavan this summer ffs. You can't point to a new signing, a player that's 30 fecking years old no less, then be like "yeah well he played" about your first game of the season, regardless of his fee. Also, the only reason Moreno played is because Klopp didn't see fit to buy a new left-back, hence Milner's exploits there of late. And Mignolet was the best thing since sliced bread not so long ago. All three of them are senior players, and two were first-team regulars in the not too distant past. Arsenal had a chap who's now turning out for Middlesbrough, and a kid making his Premier League debut, so it's hardly fecking comparable.
Conte's home record? It counts for shit when he's at a new club, one that failed to perform to standard the previous season, and happened to be his first job in club football for two years.
As I said, you caught Spurs when they weren't properly rampant, as they are now. Still, Spurs could have easily had a penalty that game when it was still 0-0, and there was touch of good fortune about the penalty you were awarded. Plus Lallana was offside for your disallowed goal, so it was right to be disallowed. As for outplaying them, by all accounts it was a fairly even match, as the scoreline fecking reflected.
You've had a decent start, but as you've so kindly confirmed for me, you're all fecking wetting yourselves over it and making out that it's been far more amazing than it actually has.
Haha as a neutral I'm really looking forward to Monday week, this is the fire I'm hoping to see on the pitch.
A bit of the Chelsea Spurs game is what I'm hoping for, minus all of the Chelsea whining and crying like spoilt little brats of course.
7 points from Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea away is great, but in the context of when you played them, I'd have probably been a bit disappointed to not have picked up around that number. I always think there are points to be taken from Spurs and Arsenal especially, so whilst you've done well to get the points available, I do think you caught all three teams at very good times. Spurs hadn't got going properly, Arsenal had defensive issues, and Chelsea had form issues.
I'd have been gutted if we'd failed to capitalise on Arsenal fielding Holding and Chambers at centre-back, and I'd have been gutted if we hadn't managed to take something from Chelsea the week after they drew with relegation-form Swansea.
Spurs was a tough fixture, but you caught them before they got a run of form going. I said elsewhere that the point there, as far as I'm concerned, is the most impressive result of your league campaign so far. Arsenal and Chelsea weren't easy fixtures, but they could have been much harder if you'd played them at other times. Then the rest of your fixtures were fairly run of the mill, and you should be disappointed that you dropped 3 points at Burnley. We'll represent a tough fixture for you after the break, and I think Palace away might prove difficult if they can get to the fixture unbeaten in 4.
Leicester's was a freak season. You cannot look at that and try and learn anything from it, nor from Spurs' unsuccessful challenge. I'll brush off Liverpool as much as I please. You were literally just a slip-up away in 2013/14 but I kept saying you'd feck it up, and you did. You get caught by an early goal by a good team and you're there to be hammered. Might not be United, but the vulnerabilities are there.
The thing you lot need to understand is this: It's been your fecking year every fecking year for the last twenty five fecking years, and it's never been your fecking year. So, regardless of how well you start a season, you've got to forgive me for, so easily and so readily, not believing that this year is your fecking year.
Imagine a scouser could buy a car then, instead of robbing one!
Nah all jokes aside, good bants, but seriously £8,130... for the hard working scousers out there (because I know their not all on the dole) thats almost a full years wage. And thats for a rich scouser!
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One trick pony I see.
Alex has, in this thread alone, laid down his claim as a contender for Least Objective and Hyperbolic Poster of the Year !
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I don't think any LFC supporter in here has said, that this is our year?! Where did you get that from? I don't even think any of them said, that we will make top4.. That would be your own fans claiming these things. But denying, that we have had a great start to the season, and trying to explain why every single match so far has been easy, is really quite funny. So tell me.. Is the next match gonna be easy too?
Where has any Liverpool fan actually said that it's our year? The media and bookies might have us as second favourites but that's not representative of what most Liverpool fans think.
I've said several times that I don't think we'll win the league.
There is also a difference between arguing
'no, I don't accept that our good results so far can be dismissed with a different jammy excuse for each fixture'
And
'we're winning the league '.
'no, I don't accept that our good results so far can be dismissed with a different jammy excuse for each fixture'
And
'we're winning the league '.
Great post.
If a noob with 80 posts uses his brief mains privilege to post some casual racism about all United fans being noodle-eating Asians (clearly meant in a derogatory sense), then they should be called out on it. If you'd rather applaud and defend it, fine, I should hardly be surprised.
I dont think its our year but you'll most probably ignore my comment like everybody else does. Ive said countless times my feet are on the ground and we are not ready . It amuses me how nobody comments or quotes someone who's grounded .
Who said I was defending it ?
I found it a nice comeback to the Scousers on the dole comment. Go'ed call me a rascist based on me putting a smiley .
You dont really know me or know nothing about me but please feel free to judge me.
Get a grip - or in your words get a fecking grip!
Let's see how many points you lot get from Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea away before you start all the chest pumping.
It was early in the season for us too - maybe the fact we took 7 points was actually because of the way we played?
Maybe if you had played Leicester at another time you might not have beaten them. So the argument about fixtures is just rubbish, playing West Ham right now would be a good time - so what?
You only scraped a win at Hull because of a last minute winner and couldn't beat fecking Stoke at home either.
Not one Liverpool fan on here has said we are going to win the league, in fact it's the United fans that in the main have said something along those lines.
We have had a tough start to the campaign, have picked up a good quota of points whilst playing some good football - that's mainly it.
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The stereotypical way of thinking on here is sometimes baffling, Klopp teams do this and Klopp teams do that... I actually believe that they are more than decent in possession so far in the season. They have the second highest possession percentage in the league and the use it to have the most shots p/g from inside the box. They're also on pretty much the same level with the other big clubs in the loss of possession stats. And all this when they have played at the Emirates, at the Lane and at the Bridge. Some continue to focus on the Burnley game to prove a point when they have been absolutely dominant in games against Leicester, Hull and Swansea when the had the lion's share in possession and couldn't play their "normal" game.
The comparisons with Rodgers also don't make sense because the latter had Suarez, who's an attacking weapon of mass distraction, and both Sterling and Sturridge fully fit throughout the season. Klopp doesn't have this luxury and if you actually watch one or two of their games this season you'll surely notice that they work very hard off the ball in order to get as many players as possible in between the lines, to allow Coutinho as much space and time on the ball as possible, to isolate Mane so that he can go 1v1, finally to get players in good positions in the opposition box. There was a thread in the United forum which showed that Liverpool cover more ground on the pitch throughout the 90 minutes than any other team in the PL, that's an indication of what i'm trying to say.
Does this mean it's all rosy? No, it doesn't. First of all, Klopp is trying to do the unthinkable in English football which is to win the league without a forward/goal scoring machine. When you look back at the history of the PL, you see that every single side that won the title had at least one, if not two, prolific goal scorers to lead the attack. So, when things don't go their way and during their periods of bad form, goals may be harder to find than usual. Secondly, they have certain players, like Lallana and Henderson who are both punching way above their weight atm. Lallana's contribution has been integral to their good start of the season while Henderson's displays, especially on the ball, are maybe masking a rather "flat", in terms of creativity, midfield partnership with Wijnaldum. Last but certainly not least, Moreno, Mignolet, and set pieces are obvious weaknesses at the back that opposition managers will try to exploit. But they have started very well and they have already crossed off their fixtures list some very tough games. They have every right to feel positive about their season (top four finish).
The comparisons with Rodgers also don't make sense because the latter had Suarez, who's an attacking weapon of mass distraction, and both Sterling and Sturridge fully fit throughout the season. Klopp doesn't have this luxury and if you actually watch one or two of their games this season you'll surely notice that they work very hard off the ball in order to get as many players as possible in between the lines, to allow Coutinho as much space and time on the ball as possible, to isolate Mane so that he can go 1v1, finally to get players in good positions in the opposition box. There was a thread in the United forum which showed that Liverpool cover more ground on the pitch throughout the 90 minutes than any other team in the PL, that's an indication of what i'm trying to say.
Does this mean it's all rosy? No, it doesn't. First of all, Klopp is trying to do the unthinkable in English football which is to win the league without a forward/goal scoring machine. When you look back at the history of the PL, you see that every single side that won the title had at least one, if not two, prolific goal scorers to lead the attack. So, when things don't go their way and during their periods of bad form, goals may be harder to find than usual. Secondly, they have certain players, like Lallana and Henderson who are both punching way above their weight atm. Lallana's contribution has been integral to their good start of the season while Henderson's displays, especially on the ball, are maybe masking a rather "flat", in terms of creativity, midfield partnership with Wijnaldum. Last but certainly not least, Moreno, Mignolet, and set pieces are obvious weaknesses at the back that opposition managers will try to exploit. But they have started very well and they have already crossed off their fixtures list some very tough games. They have every right to feel positive about their season (top four finish).
That the best you can come up with? Thought scousers were supposed to have a good sense of humour?
7 of you jumping in on that but it hasn't struck a nerve? Alright then lads.
This got to be one of the most hilarious things I have heard about Liverpool in quite a long time. I have met my fair share of Liverpool supporter, especially over the last two years (not only online, but also in person). Not a single one of them was truly content with Mignolet being the number one and pretty much all identified him as the weakest link of the team.
Normal bias might lead to things been seen better than they actually are, it does not cause blindness, though.
I'll second that, never heard a Liverpool fan claim that Mignolet was anything other than mediocre.
That's how I read your initial post...a fishing expedition.
Pretty amazing how people just post purely imaginary stuff and then never show up again when challenged. As @Blackwidow already wrote, that claim has no foundation whatsoever in factual reality.
Generally. this notion of "high pressing will lead to physical breakdown" seems to have become the new standard incantation many have conjured up. Never mind that noone can actually back up why that would be the case.
That is a great post.
Also agree that top four would be a great result for their squad. You make valid points why them winning the league shouldn't be regarded as realistic.
It would be wasted on you.
You are like a loud drunk in a bar laughing at his own 'jokes' whilst everyone else just rolls their eyes.
feckin hell man, grow a personality
Look in the mirror when you say that.
This 26 years must really be hurting you mate, cleary bitter
Well, it wasn't, I've just found it amusing that so many, despite not caring and thinking it's a load of rubbish, jumped on it.
At the end of the day, I lumped your fixtures into two, maybe three categories and judged them accordingly. You've either played a shite team, a good team at a good time, or Leicester who may well fall into the former.
Do any of our resident scousers disagree with the assertion that Hull, Burnley and Swansea are shite, and should be good for 6 points this season?
Do any of our resident scousers disagree with the assertion that, despite their heroics last season, we have seen numerous teams demonstrate already that Leicester are there to be beaten, and beaten quite comfortably?
Do any of our resident scousers disagree with the assertion that playing Arsenal away on the opening day, with no senior central defenders fit, was a tad fortunate?
Do any of our resident scousers disagree with the assertion that playing Chelsea away, early in the season, under a new manager, whilst they're still finding their feet, and coming off the back of a poor draw against a shite Swansea, was a tad fortunate?
Do any of our resident scousers disagree with the assertion that playing Spurs away, early in the season, before their run of good form that saw them dismantle City had got going, was a tad fortunate?
You can only beat what's in front of you, and by and large you've done that thus far, but my point still remains that you could have had a tougher time against some of the teams you've played.