Everyone keeps saying this but do they really believe it?
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Why not? Liverpool are looking at a significant rebuild, I think that's clear, so it will be up to Klopp to decide, whether he has the energy for that. This might be a bit optimistic from my side, but I think it could be 2-3 seasons before they can realistically challenge for the title again. They have so many players that are not good enough or will soon be too old.
Well he's got history hasn't he. I think the deciding factor will be if the owners stay and don't pony up significant funds to replace the entire midfield and half the defence. That will be his excuse.
Indeed. I know its Liverpool but some people need a head check. Liverpool would have won a huge amount more if City weren't at the level they are. If you told someone 10 years ago that Liverpool would get 92, 99 and 97 points and come away with a single title they would have laughed at you.
City still haven't won the CL despite throwing the kitchen sink at it for the past 10 years and being a very well run club with bottomless coffers.
You can't really compare teams from different eras for dozens of reasons. The fact that we are revelling in Liverpools current issues shows just how good they have been recently under Klopp.
I think he is far too stubborn and still clinging to the idea that this is something he can fix without drastic change. That being said he won't get the sack no matter what.
I think this is the only thing driving it. Difference being Dortmund wanted him gone more or less, Liverpool will be desperate to keep him.
I personally think he’ll get the summer to rebuild and will live and die by the choices he makes.
Will they though? Owners and fans can be very fickle. He'll have grace from both for this season I guess but if nothing has changed after a few months into the 23-24 one I can see there being a shift in opinion.
Yeah this is how I see it too. He will know they'll be back on the gear next season too, so if they're still shite then he will probably know it's done.
They'll be running around like maniacs again next season when they're doping again, it won't be anything like this season again sadly.
I can see him walking at the end of the season. He doesn't look like a man who's got the oomph to rebuild this.
SAF he is not.
SAF he is not.
very trueMen against boys last night. We were decent enough in the first half but completely outplayed in the second.
Klopp won't be sacked and nor should he, but he does look more and more tired in interviews and I'm starting to worry if he'll decide he hasn't got the energy for a rebuild. Especially as it's clear by now that we need at least a CB and two new midfielders. And when he's inevitably told he's got 50m to spend this summer outside of money brought in from sales, I do fear he could leave.
Klopp won't be sacked and nor should he, but he does look more and more tired in interviews and I'm starting to worry if he'll decide he hasn't got the energy for a rebuild. Especially as it's clear by now that we need at least a CB and two new midfielders. And when he's inevitably told he's got 50m to spend this summer outside of money brought in from sales, I do fear he could leave.
he'll do one more year after this year I reckon
Klopp can surely go back to Dortmund, too. Also there's new rich teams, would you really be that shocked if one of them went to Newcastle for a world record managerial contract when Howe has his first hiccup next year?
They could have rebuilt their midfield in January by gazumping us for Sabitzer and spending the Gapko money on another midfielder. Jota was coming back, I know Klopp's whole thing is about attackers running 100 MPH but their January was really bizarre. He's even shown he's comfortable playing Nunez left, so they could have survived til Jota was back and used that as a front 3 if Diaz is out, or hoped Firmino could hit some form again for one last 2-3 month period.
But in midfield, they're playing a teenager who can pass a bit but clearly isn't ready physically.
I think even with a presumably medium sized budget again they could fix things in the summer. Gomez to a Prem team that plays 3 at the back might raise some funds, same for Curtis Jones I guess (seems like a guy who should play in Europe as he's a fairly skilled but slow attacking mid, those guys often seem to struggle in the Prem), and they can get off the wages of Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Keita, so even before spending, they can probably bring in a midfielder and a CB (to replace Gomez). If you're Kamada, Dahoud or Rabiot on a free, is there a better place to go? You're surely first choice in your position, so might be tempting, and then they could sign a player.
But obviously Klopp might have lost the room or need to be replaced. I just can't believe they let their midfield go to shit like we did post Carrick-Scholes.
Do you think you'll get Bellingham this summer? Not a dig, just genuinely curious.
It all comes down to whether Klopp up for a rebuild at Anfield. I suspect not.
Can't imagine we will, no.
It's easy to say in hindsight, but I wonder would it have been better to keep Mane (on improved terms) and take the £60+m that was being offered (or rumoured) for Salah. I just feel Mane in that front line is crucial to the way you play.
Obviously, that windfall of £60m could have been utilised on a midfield player too (and not just Carvalho, Nunez, and Gakpo).
Come on now. I'm all for laughing at pool and Klopp, and really enjoyed yesterday, but this just makes us look small time. They won a PL and a CL. We all know how difficult a CL is to win for any team not named Real Madrid. We only have 3 in our history and we had loads of top teams. And a PL title won against a Pep Guardiola team, which has only ever happened one other time in his career, the only other manager who has ever won a league title against Pep is peak Mourinho.
All trophies are not equal, like our Europa league and league cup.
By all means laugh at them, and they are not any sort of greatest team ever, but pretending that that Klopp team was not outstanding is just lame.
I don't see Liverpool sacking Klopp after one bad season (that can still be "saved" with a top 4 finish), at least not now after it's been confirmed there won't be new takeover of the club. However, if Klopp feels he doesn't have the energy for another rebuild then I can imagine he'll just leave himself.
Who would Liverpool get if he is gone this summer? There are likes of Tuchel, Pochettino though they're not as good as Klopp.
Who would Liverpool get if he is gone this summer? There are likes of Tuchel, Pochettino though they're not as good as Klopp.
I loved his reaction every time they asked him how good a Madrid player was.
Its all becoming like his Dortmund situation near the end. Does he have it in him to turn it around? Dont think so really, cant see them magically playing like they used to next year and we must see what players they'll get in. They should stop dreaming about Bellingham and the sort.
Okay.
Let’s take Utd out of the equation.
Liverpool
1 PL, 1 FA cup. 1 League cup, 1 CL
Leicester
1 PL, 1 FA cup
That is not what I call dominance.
Ridiculous comparison.
They're certainly not the greatest team ever, but he won the CL and reached two other finals, was battling neck to neck against one of the best PL teams of all time. If not for Man City he'd have two more PL titles. I know it's a MU forum but there's got to be a limit to bad faith somewhere.
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No chance in hell.
He won't manage in the PL again when he leaves Liverpool. I think that his next stop is Germany's national team.
There's not a single manager of his quality who's free at the moment. If he goes, it will be of his own volition.
I don't know who considers Liverpool dominated anything since Klopp arrived, but they were top 2 in the league for some time now and also one of the most important teams in the CL by playing 3 finals. His team was consistent at the very top without managing to win many trophies.
For me Klopp is still a top manager and I regret us not hiring him all those years back when we had LVG.
The main problem he’ll have is that of the players that need replacing, if he choses to sell them, he won't get enough money to buy the calibre of players that he wants. I know his style isn't overly reliant on central midfielders that can control a game, but when you look at the likes of Modric, Casemiro, De Bruyne, Verrati, Kroos and what Liverpool currently have available, its a big difference.
A lot of wishful thinking in here. Pretty sure there was a similar reaction on here during their horrid 20/21 where they couldn't win at home.
Let's all be real, every season by default for Liverpool and United, they are in 4 competitions, Premier League, European Cup competition, FA Cup, League Cup.
For 8 years those are 32 chances to win a trophy.
As you can see with ETH, every competition is a trophy earning route.
Now for Klopp in 32 times/chances he's won only 4 times, another 28 times he's been unable to win any of the 4 trophies.
To put it into perspective, United 6 years without a trophy means, they have had 24 chances/times to win a trophy continuously and failed.
Already you see how hard it is to win trophies, no matter how small it is.
Yes some trophies are bigger than others but when careers end you look at trophies in a whole.
At the end Klopp's time has been great on field but very underwhelming in trophies.. Leicester have had almost similar trophies wins with less money, effort, drama, noise in media etc. That's how underwhelming Klopp's times has been.
They might even get a jammy manager on trophies but underwhelming on field. (Like Chelsea who change managers, play meh meh but win trophies on every turn).
For 8 years those are 32 chances to win a trophy.
As you can see with ETH, every competition is a trophy earning route.
Now for Klopp in 32 times/chances he's won only 4 times, another 28 times he's been unable to win any of the 4 trophies.
To put it into perspective, United 6 years without a trophy means, they have had 24 chances/times to win a trophy continuously and failed.
Already you see how hard it is to win trophies, no matter how small it is.
Yes some trophies are bigger than others but when careers end you look at trophies in a whole.
At the end Klopp's time has been great on field but very underwhelming in trophies.. Leicester have had almost similar trophies wins with less money, effort, drama, noise in media etc. That's how underwhelming Klopp's times has been.
They might even get a jammy manager on trophies but underwhelming on field. (Like Chelsea who change managers, play meh meh but win trophies on every turn).
Not that they will do anyway but its hilarious they are in a position where they either try to start a rebuild with 6 or 7 players in at once, which in itself doesnt often work (see Chelsea), or drop €120m on one player (Bellingham). They need to start facing up to the fact that Bellingham is City or Madrid bound (or even us).
There was. But the team he's relying on is even older now. His purchases have underwhelmed, and players who never let him down, are now often the reason why things are failing. It's a totally different situation.
I really wish he leaves in the summer, I think the current team is simply out of fuel. They need a major rebuild, he's still a top manager.
Get Stevie G as boss, would be a lot of fun
Get Stevie G as boss, would be a lot of fun
How long did it usually take Fergie to build a new team? Always within 2 years the last title wasnt it? The Rooney - Ronaldo one took a little longer than the others but they were still competing and winning cups by the 3rd year.
A different landscape to be sure, but also pretty remarkable how he always kept the squad with enough people peaking at different times to allow a competitive transition, and not all break down at the same time.
A different landscape to be sure, but also pretty remarkable how he always kept the squad with enough people peaking at different times to allow a competitive transition, and not all break down at the same time.
I dunno, that flicked goal was a thing of beauty and not something a confidence shot player would do.
He was also never out of the top 3 at the end of the season during the PL era.
3 or 4 transitions, and never dropped below 3rd
This was a funny response. If it wasn’t for the greatest team ever (Barcalona), Fergie would have won 4 CL in a fecking row. If it wasn’t for Roman’s billions, Fergie would have won 5 PL in a row.
End of the day, it’s what you win, not what you could have won.