Fair enough. Though irrespective of the squad, he will be judged by how his aide plays. Like against Burnley, you were awful and Klopp almost seemed to have no answer.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Is Klavan any better than Sakho? Would have made more sense to just not sign Klavan and keep Sakho. Clearly Klopp doesn't rate him at all or is really displeased with his attitude problems.
He said so?
Who is mocking them for having faith in Klopp? People are saying that he is not all that he is made out to be and a lot will ride on how he performs this season.Don't really get the last page or so here. I love banter with the bin dippers as much as anyone but as far as I can see, LFC fans are being mocked for believing in their manager and wanting to give him time to properly get his own players in. Klopp, who is widely regarding as one of the best managers in the world and 2yrs ago most on here would have cum in their pants if he rocked up at Old Trafford!
I dislike the "next year will be our year" mentality of SOME Liverpool fans but their loyalty to their managers should be applauded in a time where if a manager has a run of bad results, most other supporters are keen to make a quick change.
Still think you're all dicks though
Are they really letting the best CB in the league go out on loan? Guess reports of his attitude problems were correct.
Sakho is very marmite isn't he? Even in LFC fan eyes. Think he looks awkward & doesn't convince you he has silky skills on the ball when in possession, but I am with those who think he's more than decent. Be bad for him to leave, for me.
How long did it take Ferguson to have any success at United?
We don't know he has only played twice - if Sakho who has already been disciplined doesn't fit in with the manager's plans it is only going to end one way.
Nope, it's just all your posts are well-worn Liverpool fan cliches that have been a consistent theme across several failed managers.
"It doesn't matter how our manager performs in his first couple of seasons, because Fergie."
"I don't care what happens, there's no one else I'd have managing our club"
No need for gravitational theory here. Messiah complex is the one to look at.
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Yes but we are saying he has a lot of work to do on the squad and clearly it will take some time - that's all.
He will get judged on results like anyone else.
Without looking to check, think SAF finished a good 2nd in his 2nd season (without looking like winning it, LFC were long gone over the horizon). Brian McClair scored a lot of goals in his first year. It was The 2 years after that which were really bad. Up to the fluke FA Cup win of 1990. (we beat Arsenal 4-1 opening day of one season, only decent win in 2-3 years just about that was). The Mighty Klopp has got to 2 Finals, already. If he ever buys a LB, we could be in big trouble, .
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Without looking to check, think SAF finished a good 2nd in his 2nd season (without looking like winning it, LFC were long gone over the horizon). Brian McClair scored a lot of goals in his first year. It was The 2 years after that which were really bad. Up to the fluke FA Cup win of 1990. (we beat Arsenal 4-1 opening day of one, only decent win in 3 years just about that was). The Mighty Klopp has got to 2 Finals, already. If he ever buys a LB, we could be in big trouble,
It's not necessarily a comparison - managers do need time. Whether they get it is another matter.
I don't get why people are saying he has already had 2 transfer windows, you can't really count January for the reasons I have already mentioned.
Klopp will be judged to some degree after this season, but in reality to he needs next summer's window to get rid of all the players not needed (I mean how hard is it getting Balotelli sold for example!), and bring in those he does.
We have sold (not including the one's released), 11 players so far in this window.
That alone shows the massive amount of work needed and in progress.
He will be judged on results and he will be judged on his signings.
Comparing any manager with Ferguson is only going to end in tears. I still have the vision of Liverpool supporters comparing the first five years of Benitez with Ferguson.
I am not comparing - merely saying/suggesting manager's need time that's all, like Ferguson did.
Heaven forbid fans support their manager and show a bit of patience. You don't really expect Liverpool fans to be holding "Klopp out" signs when he's only been in charge for less than a full year?
You get the odd case where you know it's going to end badly early on (Moyes, Hodgson) but if I feel like I've seen enough to feel good about then I'm going to get behind the manager regardless of past experiences.
Managers aren't given enough time in football nowadays anyway, regardless of how anyone thinks Klopp is doing.
That was twenty five years ago. Not sure any manager in the world will get that type of time.
I would imagine JK might be OK for this year, on the basis Johnny fairly suggests about time / signings. Also they just gave him a 6 year contract haven't they? So unless he wants to leave, that's quite a lot of compo to negotiate. Would have to do real bad this year to be getting into any job security trouble. 2 Finals affected League placing would be my argument, improvement on 8th should be possible, surely. On to next year, bit of transfer turnover in the 'all a bit the same' MF personnel & see what European competition they might be in & plan from there.
Team selection said he definitely didn't want to go out of the League Cup last night, which I think is interesting, (a little bit anyway) & also sensible. Bet he is so peeved at losing at Burnley how they did after winning at Arsenal.
Team selection said he definitely didn't want to go out of the League Cup last night, which I think is interesting, (a little bit anyway) & also sensible. Bet he is so peeved at losing at Burnley how they did after winning at Arsenal.
He signed a contract till 2022 - to be fair it was a bit of a surprise to us too as it came from nowhere.
The fans like him but that doesn't mean they don't question some of the things he does. Hopefully he is here for the long term.
Given no Europe clearly league form needs to be better this year, the Burnley game just about sums us up after beating Arsenal. Unable to break down a stubborn defence and concede 2 sloppy goals.
Just part of the list of things he needs to sort out.
He probably has a bigger job on than he thought - when you sell 11 players in one window, that's a lot and shows the size of the task he has.
What is clear he won't spend unless he feels the price/deal is right - we have made far too many mistakes in the transfer market in the past.
That is such a silly argument. For every Ferguson, you have countless other managers who couldn't do anything for a long time. Rodgers could have been kept on and still wouldn't have become a Ferguson.
In any case, if you want to keep him for 3-4 years irrespective of his results, good luck to you.
It probably is silly - it was merely just to show he needs time, as Ferguson did.
And yes manager's like him don't come along very often or get the same amount of time also.
As already stated you can't do much in the January window (despite what many on this thread have said), this is his first 'proper' chance to start updating the squad. It's going to take time. Maybe the owners realise that too with the new contract.
It's good that Scouse fans are happy to keep Klopp for a long time no matter how crap he does. Bloody marvelous.
Where has anyone said that?
Talking to Liverpool fans I know they don't seem worried about the transfer activity because "Klopps a genius". He did great at Dortmund and is undoubtedly a great manager, but it kind of negates the fact he had some world class players there.
At present it doesn't look like he even has anyone who could become world class.
At present it doesn't look like he even has anyone who could become world class.
Their attacking options look really good I think, but unless something changes I think their defence is really dodgy.
Falling over themselves to reward Klopp with a 6th yr contract would be a strange, strange move for many clubs after finishing 8th, but the messiah complex at that club is disturbingly strong. Klopp is in danger of reaching Benitez - esque levels of Cult Personality.
....or the owners feel he is best placed to take the club forward and wanted to ensure he was here for the long term.
It's been dodgy for years but the season has just started and probably our first choice pairing Matip and Lovren haven't played together much yet and the new goalkeeper is injured also.
Can't believe the reaction to Sakho potentially going on loan. Yes, it may signify an end to his LFC career but there are question marks over his fitness and by all accounts, attitude.
On top of that, whilst he has put in some impressive performances, he is not a top quality defender and completely replaceable. To me, it's a positive that Klopp is willing to make unpopular decisions for long term benefit.
On top of that, whilst he has put in some impressive performances, he is not a top quality defender and completely replaceable. To me, it's a positive that Klopp is willing to make unpopular decisions for long term benefit.
I think it is more about the alternatives though. Sakho leaving will mean the largely underwhelming Viking Ragnar of the Klavan start more often.
We'll be fine.
I don't know much about Matip and Klavan but Klopp seems to be betting on them bigtime considering both are new to the PL. Lovren, Mignolet, Moreno and Clyne have not been great at all either. Their defensive options in midfield don't look great either. It is quite odd.
It's just easier to direct you to the RAWK thread and various resident liverpools fans responses than have a circular argument with you.
Inventing things indeed, I ask you.
Well...there's Arsenal. 12 years blud.
Well, Fergie got 2nd in his first full season, which was a better finish than the 7 seasons prior. By that metric it would be reasonable to expect Klopp to crack the top four this year. I don't actually think he needs to do that, but lower than 6th would be poor imo.
That's pretty much what I'm feeling. I can forgive 6th given the quality of the league but anything less isn't good enough.
I wouldn't want him sacked but he would be going into the following season under pressure from my point of view. If he somehow manages lower than 10th he'd probably be in trouble.
The goal this season has to be top 4 for Klopp. He'll be disappointed as will the board with anything less. And it's not too lofty an aim either. I see them challenging for 4th for sure. Question is whether they can outdo the other challengers who I expect to be two of Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal (hopefully we'll do better). But that has to be the expectation.
I think most guys in here probably get this from RAWK, therefore it seems like all Liverpool fans comes off as deluded and loons.
We're mostly subjected to RAWK and it tend to give this weird perception about Liverpool fans
Might be unfair but that's what I take from this.
When klopp took over I'm sure the expectation would of been for him to have a solid run at top 4 this year and if theyfall short by a good number of points it can only go down as a failure.
Two cup finals is decent, losing them both is poor.
I don't buy the argument city chelsea and ourselves have more money because Liverpool have spent very handsomely themselves over the last 5 years almost 90mil more than spurs yet find selves behind spurs in terms of where each team is currently at.
For klopp to be a success with his strategy in the prem he needs a better defence and a better defensive midfielder, they'll play into teams hands on a regular basis, Burnley should everyone the blue print.
I don't think he'll get sacked any time soon but I can't see him winning any league titles as liverpool
Two cup finals is decent, losing them both is poor.
I don't buy the argument city chelsea and ourselves have more money because Liverpool have spent very handsomely themselves over the last 5 years almost 90mil more than spurs yet find selves behind spurs in terms of where each team is currently at.
For klopp to be a success with his strategy in the prem he needs a better defence and a better defensive midfielder, they'll play into teams hands on a regular basis, Burnley should everyone the blue print.
I don't think he'll get sacked any time soon but I can't see him winning any league titles as liverpool
I still like the look of their attack when fit & healthy but the rest of the team bar Clyne is as average as it gets and that's on Klopp. One of the big reasons Klopp's arrival was so celebrated & revered was because everyone assumed he'd be able to attract the big names Rodgers couldn't yet the likes of Gotze literally sacked his agent because he tried to get him to sign for them.
Just can't see them finishing ahead of Tottenham or Arsenal this season.
Just can't see them finishing ahead of Tottenham or Arsenal this season.
Ferguson finished 2nd in his first full season at United. A point plenty of United supporters on here forgot as they argued time for Moyes and Van Gaal.
Giving Klopp three seasons, as some Liverpool supporters appear to be before he's judged is a bit soft. I don't think Klopp will get top four this season as his signings just aren't good enough but that's exactly what expectations should be given his CV.
Specsavers have some decent deals on.