Apologies. Ofcourse they arent in retirement, generally over the years in the PL, strike forces only stay together 2/3 years before they are refreshed.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Apologies. Ofcourse they arent in retirement, generally over the years in the PL, strike forces only stay together 2/3 years before they are refreshed.
It will be fun watching a load of 30 year olds trying to play high tempo pressing football Kloppo style. Maybe he is going to change his style and start playing slower possession football .
My point being, it is not too late. Yes, they will be refreshed. But it is not like that chance has come and gone already. Jota is a step in the right direction.
I am sure there will be more in coming windows.
This might be true yeah, but like I said I'd kinda expect Jota to overtake Firmino by the start of next season. Salah and Mane are so good though that we'd need close to a €100m player to find a replacement that's worthy of starting over them, and we simply don't have that kind of money. Refreshing the forward line step by step is the way to go and Jota instead of Firmino might be the first step.
I think this team, with a new player here and there, can keep competing until 2023.
I personally prefer Klopp as manager. Pep is the better tactician but there is a reason he goes to the best / richest clubs in each league where he either has technically excellent players or he just buys them. He also has a very good board at City with people he has known for ages. I am not sure he would have the same success at Liverpool whereas I believe Klopp would have had similar success at City.
Klopp after Liverpool can go to almost any top club and build another successful team within 3-5 years. Whereas with Pep it will be interesting to see where he goes after City as he needs unlimited funds to buy players who can play his football.
Klopp after Liverpool can go to almost any top club and build another successful team within 3-5 years. Whereas with Pep it will be interesting to see where he goes after City as he needs unlimited funds to buy players who can play his football.
"Firmino cannot be replaced", "unique and fits Liverpool", "more important than Salah" - pool fans one season ago
"Jota to replace Firmino", "Jota to replace Firmino", "Jota to replace Firmino" - pool fans now
But i thought you liked having a no goal striker?
"Jota to replace Firmino", "Jota to replace Firmino", "Jota to replace Firmino" - pool fans now
But i thought you liked having a no goal striker?
He was playing better last season for the most part. Jota has been more of a threat up top. Opinions change in football.
Firmino is an enigma. He was brilliant against Spurs and West Ham, then couldn't even pass a ball last night.
Mane & Salah will be 29. Milner, Gini and Thiago are hardly their core.
What's up with him ? He's only made like 7 appearances hasn't he ?
No doubt there at all for me.
Injured. He's scored 9 goals in 17 appearances so far but the injury he got was pretty bad. Think it happened in our final CL group game so it's Klopp's fault for playing him I guess.
Villa put 7 past them with van dik playing. They've haven't been the same team since March. I'm not totally sure why everyone getting on like the juggernaut that was matching city over last couple years is about to re-emerge with van dik back.
They look more mentally knackered than anything. Hard to keep it going, especially with their style of play.
Championship team built on a budget.
Liverpool has spent less than West Ham and Sheffield United in the transfer market for the past five years....the injuries are starting to expose this.
My best guess is that Klopp will be moving back to Germany in 2024, Bayern Munich would give him an unlimited budget.
Liverpool has spent less than West Ham and Sheffield United in the transfer market for the past five years....the injuries are starting to expose this.
My best guess is that Klopp will be moving back to Germany in 2024, Bayern Munich would give him an unlimited budget.
Klopp's next destination will be the German National team.
Surely Klopp is too young to take that job? Feels too early for him.
Barca should be sniffing about, or Real.
Agreed and if it weren't for your lot having the wobble you have I'm pretty sure this season would have continued the way it was for City
It's only due to your lot giving them a sniff of the title again that's refocused them, mentally they were done
It definitely looked like that going into the middle of December. Funny how quickly football changes.
Definitely could do with some top drawer youth supporting these guys though. The fullbacks for sure tick those boxes but I can't see any attackers or midfielders that are going to move up a level or two for you guys. Jones looks fairly decent... but that's it right?
VVD will be 30 next year and coming off a bad injury
Salah + Mane 29
Henderson, Wijnaldum 31
Thiago @ 30 on a long contract but he's one of those that doesn't really rely on physicality and can probably keep going for at least a few more years.
Firmino already dropping off and the Wijnaldum contract talks aren't going great.
I think getting one good season in next year is still possible out of that squad but beyond that is a bit of a question mark.
Salah + Mane 29
Henderson, Wijnaldum 31
Thiago @ 30 on a long contract but he's one of those that doesn't really rely on physicality and can probably keep going for at least a few more years.
Firmino already dropping off and the Wijnaldum contract talks aren't going great.
I think getting one good season in next year is still possible out of that squad but beyond that is a bit of a question mark.
So you think we can still win the title then?
This is just bizarre. "Almost a PL title" means feck all. Benitez has achieved less than 50% of what Klopp has at Liverpool, he doesn't even come close.
No and neither do they
"City had two weeks break" - it was actually 8 days.
8 days is what Pool had between 19 - 27 Dec. A two week break. They then had comfortably the longest rest out of any teams during the festive period. 19th, 27th, 30th, 4th - 4 games in 16 days. In the same period United played 17th, 20th, 23rd, 26th, 29th, 1st - 6 games in 15 days. While other teams were dealt hectic festive schedules, Pool were basically handed the perfect schedule with lots of rest and recovery between games.
9 days is what Pool had between 8 - 17 Jan. Another two week break. But that was only the beginning. Klopp then won the jackpot because the cup game on 8 Jan was against Villa U16s. A perfect opportunity to give his main players an actual "two week break" between 4 - 17 Jan but no... he chose to field a strong team. Fair enough if you field a strong team because you want to keep up momentum and match sharpness. But to then have the audacity a few weeks later to whinge about "bohoo we haven't had a break" is utterly ridiculous.
And don't even let me get started on the extra month of rest and pre season they had over United and City at the beginning of the season. Pool were at optimal fitness when the season started in mid September. United and City didn't reach that stage until early/mid November. Pool were basically gifted a 4-5 game head start on their main two rivals. And they bottled it - in true scouse boom-bust fashion.
Victim mentality is strong with goofy. Hypocrite twat.
Looks like the bromance with Pep and Klopp is over
Klopp: "We need to play football, train and recover and use each minute to train. We haven't had a break, City had 2 weeks for covid reasons. It's a tough year. Some teams it looks less, but for us, it's tough.”
Klopp: "We need to play football, train and recover and use each minute to train. We haven't had a break, City had 2 weeks for covid reasons. It's a tough year. Some teams it looks less, but for us, it's tough.”
To be fair this is about the only time he has ever been correct. I know the bellend is trying to effect mind games like he did with us and the refs but City played the system, like they always have done since they financially doped their way to getting where they are today.
But I guess a broken clock is right twice a day
But I guess a broken clock is right twice a day
Klopps seems to have a bit of whataboutism to him when things aren't going superb.
Hilarious talking about the break. When everyone were playing games every 3-4 days, Pool were happily resting for 8-9 days between games. Klopp loves to moan about things that don't exist.
I think the simple fact of the matter is that Guardiola's time at City has been something of a failure so far. They were already the dominant team in the country, and, whilst they were in need of some severe surgery, they had unlimited cash and a good infrastructure to carry that out. Guardiola's taken that domestic domination even further, but the trophy that they really want has eluded him as it did at Bayern. Until, god forbid, they get that Champion's League trophy Klopp's job at Liverpool has been far better.
Which is a shame, because Klopp is a cnut.
Liverpool had the lightest Christmas schedule of any team. Get fecked, Klopp.
How so? the fixtures have been very kind to them.
Please go back to my post, re-read it, where I said I believe Klopp is a better manager and had more success. However, my point is, I believe the success Benitez has had at Liverpool is comparable to the success Klopp has had. Not as good, but still, comparable. Klopp has been more successful, yes, but I do think it's comparable. Both lifting the CL, the super cup, Benitez lifting the FA cup, Klopp the PL. Let me re-iterate so you don't take offence - I believe Klopp has been more successful, but I find it very fickle to dismiss one of your best managers in the your recent history, in an attempt to defend your current, under-fire manager.
You'd have won at least 1 title with Benitez if you weren't up against Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest Premier League manager, ever. So, there you go, both would have won more. It's exactly the same, but you're only talking up what else Klopp could have done, and ignoring what Benitez could have done. You didn't win another title, you've won 1 title, and you're imploding because Klopp has ran you into the ground for 3 years. It's not sustainable, nor as admirable as say, building a City-style team that know when to press, when to run, when to stroll. It Foden, Sterling, Jesus won't all burnout like half your squad has. Remember, I'm a United fan, I dislike City probably more than Liverpool as I respect the type of club Liverpool is, their history, their model, I don't respect the way City have romped to billions of pounds of spending and have a shell of a club, so I have absolutely no motive than to have my own balanced opinion.
I don't care about injuries. Your line-up v's Aston Villa had Gomez, VVD, Robertson, TAA, Wijnaldum, Keita, Fabinho, new signing Jota, Salah, Firmino, you had the likes of Henderson, Jones on the bench.... is that down to injuries? This arrogant notion that you'd be top of the league or whatever if you didn't have injuries is nonsense. My mate at work actually deluded himself to the point that he thought you'd already lost VVD and Gomez to injury when you played Villa.... it's laughable. Your form had already dipped after you secured the title, and it wasn't at title hangover, which we've now seen. Stop moaning about injuries. United How would Brighton cope with more injuries than Liverpool, when they play Liverpool? Funny that, isn't it, they outplayed you and beat you. Do you see an entire fanbase over at Brighton crying that they'd be doing much better if they had less injuries? No. Burnley, Newcastle, would LOVE to have a squad like yours, West Brom? Come on. Stop blaming injuries. You have to beat the inferior teams if you want to win a league.
United had a huge injury crisis in 2011-2012, we had about 10 key players out for ages, we had wing backs playing CM, we had midfielders playing WB, did we let that be an excuse and drop out of the title race without a whimper? Feeling sorry for ourselves? Did we eck, check out our starting 11 v's Arsenal when we spanked them 8-2. The best managers make it work. We were in the title race until the last day, finished on the same points as City. We didn't start playing sh!te all over the pitch because we lost a few players. The top clubs, the biggest clubs, adjust, strengthen, move on.
You should have replaced VVD & Gomez on January 1st, not wait till deadline day because Matip was out. Signing two unproven CB's on deadline day to go with your two unproven CB's you already have, is a mistake.
When you're building a team as he has done at Liverpool, there's a buzz, especially considering how long they hadn't won it. There's a hope within the fan base, pundits give you plaudits. It's when you get there, that hope, that was there on the journey, now turns to expectation . People labelling them a great team etc. He's under a bit of pressure now, which he hasn't had really so far in his tenure. The affable chap on the sidelines is now biting back at pundits, ref, managers and complaining about others teams parking the bus, penalites etc. I get that it's classic defense mechanism, deflect attention from his teams wrongs and highlight something else. I think some of the criticism he has received like previous praise he had received has been over the top. Couple of wins on the spin and favourable results elsewhere and they are back in it.
He's such a prick.
Always moaning.
Liverpool and him are made for each other.
Yep.
Yep. Im still not comfortable with how they got the Everton game posponed.
The guy can't stop complaining and moaning. It's getting tiresome and boring. Complains about this, complains about that. Just shut up.
I just wish someone pointed it out to him. They had a 3 week break before the season and started pre season when us and City were in Europe. They had fresh players to chose from along with 2 new signings.
They've been lucky with the fixtures, whos fault is it he starts some of his best 11 in a dead rubber CL game? He knew Villa were weak, still played his first 11 out. He can go do one.
Excellent. Wish someone tell him straight on his face. Hope the cafe account tweets about it.
Man once Klopp starts to have a rough go, he becomes a huge whiner. Or has that how he has always been?
Good! At least the game on Sunday should be more competitive. Their league game a couple of months ago felt more like a friendly with both managers discussing 5 subs rule and injuries with each other before and after the game
1 extra month rest? I hope you mean several months rest. Since the first lockdown until this season’s start they were more or less on holiday mode: league won, out of all cups. Whereas City were at least still in the cups. And we had it worst, we were in the cups and had to run our starting 11 into the ground until the very last match day to get top 4 confirmed.
I really have no idea what all the ridiculous mental and physical tiredness claims for Liverpool are based on!