Dortmund under Klopp
6th
5th
1st
1st
2nd
2nd
7th
So he took a 'broke' Dortmund team, made them a top team, then 'broke' them back to where they were.
What is it with Pool fans and their delusion about Klopp? What's wrong with just calling him a good manager like he is. Instead you try to cherry pick his career while ignoring all the negatives so you can paint him as one of the best managers in the world.
I get that you’re the most anti-Liverpool fan on this forum or at least going for that title but can’t we literally just use the exact same argument for why Mourinho is only a "good" manager.
Mourinho at Chelsea in his second stint 3rd, 1st, 10th. So made them a top team, then 'broke' them to far worse than they were. Nevermind all the other arguments you could use on why Mourinho is only a "good" manager: He took a 2nd place Chelsea team to two titles and then took them back to 2nd. He then went to an Inter team who had just won the league 3 times in a row, won the title with them for two seasons but with lower point tallies than their previous two title wins. Went to Real Madrid finished 2nd with them, won the title then finished 2nd again so took them back to 2nd. Now has come to a United team and got them 6th in their first season while spending £150m even though they finished 5th the previous season. Now for the record before I get loads of United fans jumping down my throat, I do think Mourinho is a world class manager. I'm just trying to make the point that it's not hard to argue he's only a "good" manager when you look at the teams he's taken over and the resources at his disposal at those teams.
What you have to remember is Klopp has only ever been at 3 clubs and none have been "top clubs" and none with anywhere the resources Mourinho has been given so comparing trophies is completely ridiculous. We all know a huge chunk of United fans think Dyche should get Manager of the year and Pep shouldn't because of the resources he's been given but isn't that basically just the same as to comparing Klopp and Mourinho's respective past clubs in terms of resources? Dyche has won nothing and Pep won the league and League Cup but way more respect is being shown to Dyche.
Klopp is a very different manager to Mourinho and what he's achieved at the clubs he's been at has been fantastic and I'm certainly hoping for similar things at Liverpool. Taking Mainz to their first ever Bundesliga campaign and holding them there for 2 more seasons was an incredible achievement and definitely correlates with their solidity now in the Bundesliga. Mainz's previous 4 seasons before Klopp were 10th, 7th, 9th and 14th in his first season he got them 4th, then 4th again then got them promoted. Then we look at after he leaves and they get 2nd in Budesliga 2 and are still in the top flight to this day. Yeah alright definitely a large chunk of the credit goes to the manager who took them back up but it was mainly Klopp's players who got them promoted so clearly he laid down the foundations for them to be a solid top flight team. Then we move on to Dortmund's 4 previous seasons there 7th, 7th, 6th, 13th before Klopp took over. He took that team to back to back Bundesliga titles within 3 years and then got them 2nd twice. Admittedly the players didn't perform under him in the final season but as I said earlier, same thing happened with Chelsea players and Mourinho, doesn't change him being a top manager. Then look at after he leaves 2nd, 3rd and probably 2nd or 3rd this season. He took them from a struggling midtable Bundesliga team to a title winning team and left the foundations for them to continue being a top 3 Bundesliga team. What he's achieved in terms of trophies doesn't at all represent how good of a job he's done at his previous clubs. He doesn't take the same sort of jobs as Mourinho where it's far easier to get trophies, he takes challenges and wants to transform teams. The 2015/16 Liverpool team he took over compared to now are worlds apart. There are definitely still areas to improve of course but in 2014/15 when we finished 6th and how dreadful our team was if you'd told me we'd get back to back top 4's and a UCL final in the 2017/18 season I wouldn't have thought you were insane but that is honestly looking incredibly likely right now.
Like I said, I get your anti-Liverpool and refuse to ever give credit where credit's due but I don't have any doubt in my mind that Klopp is a world class manager, just like Mourinho, they just prefer different types of managerial jobs.
