So you aspire to be like Spurs?
Challenging for league titles ? Yes of course. Don't you ?
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Challenging for league titles ? Yes of course. Don't you ?
Anyway, where are we up to on this net-spending lark ? From what I've gathered up to now is that we've got United fans on another thread falling over themselves to say that they'll never fall by the wayside like Liverpool because they've got copious amounts of money to buy themselves back to the top. & on here the general consensus of opinion from United fans is that the reason we've fallen by the wayside is that we've had copious amounts of money to spend in the past but not spent it correctly.
Have I missed anything out ?
Have I missed anything out ?
It usually works that way though. Look at City and Chelsea. They were Sunderland before the money came in.
They got decent managers, which is what we have now.
Oh yeah, Mourinho's a top tier manager, no doubt about that. It's how he copes with the other top tier managers in the future that'll determine whether or not he becomes a success at United. It's not just the internal challenge he faces at OT, it's the external ones too. He's not the only special one on the block now. If it was Ferguson I'd back him to get the better of any manager. His drive & determination would have seen to that. A lot of Jose's strengths are pretty much replicated in most of the other managers battling for control of the PL perch.
Suspect you're correct here. Shall we go to calling it 2-1 in the modern era? You don't get byes to the QF anymore or FC Bruges as the opposition in the Final, blah blah blah...
We seem to be thinking that 4 or 5 teams are going to proceed forward being exponentially competitive now the Leicester threat has been seen off, it doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Spurs might be get filleted of players after being crap at Wembley, Klopp might get disillusioned with Fenway, Jose could go mad again, Arsenal might appoint a complete idiot to succeed Wenger or let him stay on for 10 more years.
Utd and Liverpool aspiring to be like Spurs nowadays. Somewhere, Glaston has fallen off his chair.I remember the discussion being brought up on here about how easy it was to win the European Cup back in Liverpool's heyday. Someone remarked we'd only beaten a team of Swiss clockmakers (FC Zurich) in our 1977 semi-final. Then a few weeks later United were eliminated from the group stages by Swiss side FC Basel..........I didn't laugh much (honest
)Then again, both our clubs have the CL format to thank for our modern day wins. You won it 1999 after entering as non-champions. & we did the same 6 years later. Had that not been the case you'd have never won the treble, & we'd never have been able to suggest that if you wanted to see the trophy you won in 1999 you just had to pop along to our trophy room.
Don't bother I haven't got the time. Already discussed your elimination in 2011 though.
You have plenty of time to talk codswallop. The majority of your posts that past few days evidence this.
You tell me which 15 failed United CL attempts you want to talk about and I'll offer you some insight.
Then we can pick apart your 27 years (and counting) in the wilderness of world football?
There, changed it for you. & I've heard them all btw.
I know you have have. You're a Liverpool fan. You wrote the book on making excuses.
I remember the discussion being brought up on here about how easy it was to win the European Cup back in Liverpool's heyday. Someone remarked we'd only beaten a team of Swiss clockmakers (FC Zurich) in our 1977 semi-final. Then a few weeks later United were eliminated from the group stages by Swiss side FC Basel..........I didn't laugh much (honest
Then again, both our clubs have the CL format to thank for our modern day wins. You won it 1999 after entering as non-champions. & we did the same 6 years later. Had that not been the case you'd have never won the treble, & we'd never have been able to suggest that if you wanted to see the trophy you won in 1999 you just had to pop along to our trophy room.
It was easier to win back when it was the European Cup. Took fewer games and more were against weaker opposition. However, it was clearly much harder to qualify for with just one spot per nation.
That's a bit rich coming from someone who wants to bore me with how his side only managed 2 CL wins in 20 years despite having the best manager, the best team/s, & a shitload of money.
During our "years in the wilderness" we still managed to win a couple of European trophies - just one less than yourselves (soon to be two), which means unless your European record is rubbish then ours can't be that bad either.
True, we have been terrible in the league, but we still maintain a huge global fanbase and we're so popular that oppo fans still sing about us nearly every game!
The CL format is designed to ensure that more often than not the better sides go through to the knockout stages. Clubs have much bigger squads now to compensate. For the best part United successfully managed to reach the knockout stages but fell short against sides they should have done away with comfortably over 2 legs. Liverpool also won the UEFA Cup twice in 1973 & 1976. This was when the competition had the 2nd, 3rd, 4th place sides from respective countries competing. So not only did we win a competition 4 times in 8 years that involved the champions of each country. We also won (twice) the one involving the teams that would have been competing in the EC had it been in today's format.
6 European trophies in 11 years tells you that we did this because we were the best in Europe at that time. I don't expect you & your buddies to like it. But that's how it is.
Erm that's false though.
You're still in the wilderness now though let's be honest whilst we are still challenging for European honours, granted your final failure last season.
We'd probably have had more chances coming up against only one team from other countries in other campaigns.I remember the discussion being brought up on here about how easy it was to win the European Cup back in Liverpool's heyday. Someone remarked we'd only beaten a team of Swiss clockmakers (FC Zurich) in our 1977 semi-final. Then a few weeks later United were eliminated from the group stages by Swiss side FC Basel..........I didn't laugh much (honest
Then again, both our clubs have the CL format to thank for our modern day wins. You won it 1999 after entering as non-champions. & we did the same 6 years later. Had that not been the case you'd have never won the treble, & we'd never have been able to suggest that if you wanted to see the trophy you won in 1999 you just had to pop along to our trophy room.
For example years we were knocked out by teams not entering as champions -
2000 Real Madrid
2002 Bayer Leverkusen
2003 Real Madrid
2007 AC Milan
2009 Barcelona
2010 Bayern Munich
With less games and less teams (only champions) we perhaps may have won more than just two during that period.
out of a very brief flash of interest how many 'different' LFC teams won those 6 well deserved Euro triumphs - I tend to forget the early UEFA ones & would like to keep it like that really, so let's move on if we can, would be good - Keegan/Toshack --> Kenny/Rush being one distinction, there wasn't really a 3rd lot was there?
new book on paisley out yesterday - might be a read when it's considerably cheaper,
new book on paisley out yesterday - might be a read when it's considerably cheaper,
If the barometer is "challenging" for European titles then surely getting to a final last season means we are challenging?
I think saying we're in the wilderness is exaggerating things. I agree we've woefully under performed in the league, especially the last 7 years - but looking at the overall picture of the last 27 years you are the only English team who have been more successful that us in Europe.
With a more stable future ahead of us I think we can start to challenge more often in Europe and, as you know, over two legs we're a tough proposition for anyone.
FWIW - Liverpool have had a time as Europe's best and United have. I think their European cup lead 5-3 doesn't necessarily show they were better as I do think it was easier to repeat then hence why in CL format years there's NEVER been a repeat winner. NOT ONCE. In the old days Real won 5 straight, Bayern and Ajax have done 3 straight, both Milan's have done repeats, as have Nottingham Forrest and so on. I think that shows what era was a little easier to win it multiple times but you still had to be the best in your league (hence harder qualification). It's completely reasonable to assume if we switched the teams and the era's our European Cup counts would be reversed.
I think United have as much chance, if not more, of competing in Europe again given this season.
Yet we still have to suffer threads on the Caf trying to make this United side look like Liverpools of the 90s.
out of a very brief flash of interest how many 'different' LFC teams won those 6 well deserved Euro triumphs - I tend to forget the early UEFA ones & would like to keep it like that really, so let's move on if we can, would be good - Keegan/Toshack --> Kenny/Rush being one distinction, there wasn't really a 3rd lot was there?
new book on paisley out yesterday - might be a read when it's considerably cheaper,
Thats' not easy to define, in the same way that Utd had a few players still involved in 08 that were there in 99, but in the main it was a completely different side.
The Liverpool of side of 73 was quite different to 78 which in turn was different to 84. There were some overlaps of course.
Of course. This is common sense.
Yes. There's logic and facts to back up this theory.
That would make sense if we hadn't won it during our "fallow" period.
Abnormalities happen. Like Greece winning the Euros, Leicester winning the league and Wigan the FA cup.
Well, we were a good cup team in those days and game raisers against Liverpool so maybe could have fluked one as you did.
I think you have more of a chance of being successful in Europe if you can hold onto Jose for more than his usual 3 year stint. He is very good in Europe - imo in relative terms, quite a bit better than SAF. He is lethal in finals (jose).
That was the final we reached having to knock you, Dortmund, & Villarreal out in the process. Who exactly have you beaten to get there this year ?
& you've got the nerve to try & discredit our European achievements.
I was trying work out how '78 became '84 - I suppose I could have a look using some suitable research device & resource,
.He wants to extend. I think the club will want to do this too.
Yes. Different managers. Mourinho took projects with a finish line in sight - i.e win the league, win the CL move on. Fergie was into building long term projects.
Think Jose is trying to tick that off on his resume (the long stint part) but I don't think that will affect too much his mastery of European and cup competitions.
You only got through against United due to cheating with performance enhancing drugs.
You lost convincingly anyway.
It wasn't a fluke though was it ? seeing as we nearly did it again 2 years later.
I was trying work out how '78 became '84 - I suppose I could have a look using some suitable research device & resource,
off the top of my head (really honestly no googling!) I think only Neal, Hansen, Dalglish and Souness were there in 78 And 84.
Your team played like they were on drugs. Hope they don't freeze again in the final. You should be able to field the kids & still beat Ajax though.
You were plenty jammy the year you won it but fair enough you became a good European side after that. It came in an era where you were not that good domestically which again, who's to say other teams couldn't have done that in a different era? With more games and whatnot it's common this day and age teams put their eggs in one basket so to speak. A side that is out of the title race domestically by February is at an advantage in European competition over a side that is in a side in a 2 or 3 horse domestic race.
Luckily we don't have a manager notorious for bottling finals.