I hope all of them are feeling very silly right now. One of the worst United team in yonks are 5 points ahead of Klopp
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I hope all of them are feeling very silly right now. One of the worst United team in yonks are 5 points ahead of Klopp
I'd wait a proper transfer window before judging him. He's playing with the mess Rodgers left him - no wingers and no striker that fits the system.
5 points behind us when we've been woeful ourselves. Terrific job, Klopp.
I got some good news for you, it's 6 points.
Even better. Great stuff. Now, let's get see Spurs Spurs up their season Leicester stop this silly gag they've been running.
It seems his avid fanboys aren't so prevalent these days.
At least you are good at it.
Its a winning against Pool, due to my irrational hate for them, I'll enjoy this one.
Ever since he joined the dark side, I don't like the over exuberant maniac, but I would second this. It'd be like firing van Gaal tomorrow, hiring Jose on Feb 1st and then firing him when we don't achieve fourth in May.
I repeat, WHO ARE THIS SHIT LIVERPOOL SIDE GOING TO REALISTICALLY ATTRACT THAT WILL TRANSFORM THEM INTO TITLE CONTENDERS?
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It won't be easy for them, but Klopp managed to build an impressive Dortmund side when they were in a relatively similar, if not worse, situation to Liverpool. One of his specialties was finding gems for decent prices. They're still a relatively attractive club to go to: besides the history/stature aspect, they can still offer players plenty of money. I mean, they did manage to sign Suarez when they were outside the top 4 and having one of their shittiest spells in a long time.
Once again, you don't need to attract world class players to challenge for the title. Lewandowski was unknown and unproven when he joined Dortmund, same goes for Piszczek and others. If anything, Klopp is perfect for us because he might be able to sign some quality players under the radar. We could easily pull off a couple of Suarez-like buys in the Summer and that's all that is needed to turn us into a side that's challenging for the top four, not that that's an achievement given the current state of the league.
Klopp's stature in football will ensure they can attract bigger players than they ever did under Rodgers, and the latter was able to construct a side that came extremely close to winning the league. They'll not be able to make themselves favourites for a title but given a good transfer window and Klopp getting the best out of players then if no other team is running away with it (as is happening now and has happened before) there's no reason why Liverpool would not be able to snatch it.
The overreacting on this forum is getting in the way of serious discussion. Too many people were getting all defeatist and depressed once Klopp took charge and got a few good results, now he's not doing so well all of a sudden it's the opposite. Klopp may or may not manage to transform Liverpool into a top four team with the potential to mount a title challenge, but the reality is he certainly is capable of doing so and you'd be foolish to dismiss them.
And then signed players that were unable to replace the ones you mentioned and he ended up in relegation zone.
Always a possibility, but then again with midtable clubs bulging with cash from the new TV deal the competition for attracting promising players like Suarez circa 2011 is much more intense now than it was five seasons ago, which is a problem for United as well. A club like Tottenham or United has a much better chance of landing the next Suarez than does a CL which looks to have lost out on CL action again. And clubs like Tottenham and United have a much less chance of landing the next Suarez than does Arsenal/City/Chelsea and, or course, Barcelona/Real/Bayern. Liverpool are competing with Southampton, Everton, Stoke and Palace for that kind of player and they can all now flex financial muscle they couldn't have 5 seasons ago.
A real predicament for you guys.
Again, not true. Lewandowski was replaced by Aubameyang, Götze by Mkhitaryan, both terrific players for Dortmund right now, they only needed a little time. His only real bust in his latter years at Dortmund was Immobile and he was chased by a lot of top clubs, nobody could've predicted his downfall after the season he had at Torino. The revisionism on here is strong at times.
Meh, don't really agree with that. Finding gems in the transfer market takes a lot more than your current standing, e.g. having CL or not the next season - those players on the verge of a breakthrough are just happy with the step up to the Premier League (and probably increased wages), add to that you need a good scouting system to find such players and having CL is just one factor amongst many others. IIRC, we were almost the only team who was really after Suarez and Coutinho at the time, if you search for the right players, it's still very doable. Of course we shouldn't be looking at Dybala, Laporte or other well-known players like that because they've already got too many admirers around Europe.
I do agree those tactics are rather hit and miss of course, but that's what we need to resort to right now. We could splash £30m on Ruben Neves this summer and it could go either way, but when you're not in a position to attract world class players, that's the way you've got to build imo. I'm confident Klopp can accomplish that. If he can't, no one can probably.
For a very brief period. They did come 7th in the end, which while disappointing, can be excused considering his overall success there. Still, the fact that he succeeded in his strategy is no guarantee that he will at Liverpool.
Pochettino signed two players (Alderweireld and Alli) and transformed that Spurs side. Granted it took Pochettino a season, but Klopp has better players than Pochetino had anyway.
As of now, Klopp is doing a shit job.
As of now, Klopp is doing a shit job.
Meh, I'm not sure about that. Spurs are boosted by the fact that Lloris is comfortably better than Mignolet. Kane is also better than all of Liverpool's forwards, since Sturridge is probably the best of their lot but is unable to stay fit at all.
Ciro Immobile was a complete flop. Same can be said for Adrian Ramos. What can we say for Kampl sold after one season? Kagawa return? Ginter plays for the second side now, Sokratis was good in his first season, crap in the second, Mkhitaryan under Klopp had like 15 games 1 assist, Aubameyang was also pretty inconsistent and I'm not sure if we're crediting the right guy for their game this season as they have new manager that has currently taken them to 2nd.
Resigning Sahin has also been underwhelming. So no it's not just Immobile.
Half a season? Mourinho was sacked for same brief period.
IN
Ji Dong-won Free
Adrián Ramos €11,000,000
Nuri Şahin €7,000,000
Ciro Immobile €19,500,000
Matthias Ginter €10,000,000
Shinji Kagawa €8,000,000
Kevin Kampl €12,000,000
Out
Robert Lewandowski Free
Manuel Friedrich Free
Julian Schieber Undisclosed
Ji Dong-won Undisclosed
^^^ those are the ins and outs prior to that season. Who exactly of those ins can be considered a success?
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The Spurs side Pochettino inherited was full on shit. Rose and Walker look like different players a year on. Lamela as well.
Doesn't really matter what skills Klopp has in the transfer market, or unearthing gems or whatever, long as Liverpool stick with their "transfer committee" system which seems mostly bollocks.
They need a goalie, a central defender and a striker. Those are three crucial positions in the axis of a team. Nail those and you can turn around that team quickly.
They have generally and honestly outplayed the opposition, but football is a very simple game. To do a NBC football coverage: You need to score more goals than the opposition.
When your defense/goalkeeper cannot defend setpieces to save their lives and you have no top class striker you can lose almost any game.
Subotic, a healthy Sturridge and a good goalie and they probably have 6-10 points more.
They have generally and honestly outplayed the opposition, but football is a very simple game. To do a NBC football coverage: You need to score more goals than the opposition.
When your defense/goalkeeper cannot defend setpieces to save their lives and you have no top class striker you can lose almost any game.
Subotic, a healthy Sturridge and a good goalie and they probably have 6-10 points more.
I know Mourinho was sacked, but that's not relevant to my main point. Klopp did turn it around, and managed to obtain a mildly respectable finish in the end. Whether Mourinho would have done so at Chelsea or not is irrelevant, because he was never given any such chance.
His later signings were poor. I'm not disputing that. What I'm arguing is that his approach was undoubtedly more successful in his the vast majority of his Dortmund career. Of course, Klopp has to prove that it was just a poor season and not a sign of a more general decline, but it'd be nonsensical to write him off on the basis of one poor season considering his prior achievements.
You'd assume Klopp will be heavily influential over transfers and will probably have the final say. It'd be a massive mistake from Liverpool for that not to be the case because they'd be neutering one of the main qualities of the guy they've appointed. Although, to be fair, knowing how rubbish Liverpool have often been when it comes to transfers in recent years, I wouldn't put it past them.
And it's also very,very,very well known that Klopp was far from the main transfer-guy in Dortmund.
Mata 4 goals and 4 assists in 22 games: €44M
Kagawa 4 goals and 7 assists in 17 games: €8M
Darmian 0 goals and 0 assists in 17 games: €18M
Ginter 2 goals and 7 assists in 13 games: €10M
Ramos 2 goals and 2 assists in 12 games (89 total minutes): €10M
Depay 2 goals and 1 assist in 17 games (999 total minutes): €28M
That´s easily a top class window. Got three high quality starters and a top joker for a total of €67M.
Perhaps, but his ability to get the best out of most players who were brought in would undoubtedly be looked upon as a positive.
No disputing that, I agree that his tenure was of course successful. But at the same time it was generally spread that he's some kind of impeccable at the transfer market and would turn shit into gold. He still needs to prove himself at top level at another club and if he can sustain the level of 1-2-3 good to excellent seasons. For example Simeone has done it as he repeatedly replaced players he lost at Atletico and as things stand right now they are top of the table.
His next season at Pool will pretty much show what he's capable on the market. I'm not sure, however if the players he will bring will work in Prem, however.
I'm not sure you got those stats right for the 14/15 season.Mata 4 goals and 4 assists in 22 games: €44M
Kagawa 4 goals and 7 assists in 17 games: €8M
Darmian 0 goals and 0 assists in 17 games: €18M
Ginter 2 goals and 7 assists in 13 games: €10M
Ramos 2 goals and 2 assists in 12 games (89 total minutes): €10M
Depay 2 goals and 1 assist in 17 games (999 total minutes): €28M
That´s easily a top class window. Got three high quality starters and a top joker for a total of €67M.
So Simeone doing it for four years is proven, but Klopp doing for seven years is unproven. Klopp replaced Barrios with Lewandowski, then replaced Lewandowski with Aubameyang. He replaced Sahin with Guendogan. Replaced Kehl with Bender. Replaced Goetze with Reus. Replaced Kagawa with Mkhitaryan.Whenever he had to replace a key member of the squad, he found a very good replacement. Seems pretty successful.
I wouldn't assume anything with Liverpool. Everyone involved with that club are fecking insane.
"The Premier League is very exciting," agent Marc Kosicke told SPOX. "And we do not only talk about the top four, because there are some other great clubs below them, but I am not certain about the job profile [in England]. The separation of powers in Germany is a very good system and one Jurgen likes, as is not one who likes to talk with players’ agents and deal with transfers."
Comments from his agent in the summer. That being said, what you say is true to a certain degree. If the pool-tranferparty continues to buy like they have though..
Some people on here believed that LFC would be top of the table by New Years Day.
The Klopp love-in is ridiculous.
Same goes for Guardiola.
People forget that these managers have no experience in the EPL and when they first arrive, adaptation takes time.
Some managers never adapt and move on.
He needs to sort out their defence. At least when we are shocking going forward you have the belief that we won't concede one ourselves. Liverpool are awful when they attack but seem to concede every game.
Nobody is doubting Klopp's abilities.
But some people on here made it that LFC would be unabeatable with him as manager.
This was the very reason why some wanted him at MUFC. They are now doing exactly the same with Guardiola.
I am not saying these are bad managers. They are top class, but just because they manager an EPL club does not guarantee trophies. They have to prove themselves in the EPL before anybody can make that claim.
Mourinho and Peligrini btw, are proven.
How can he replace Lewandowski with Aubameyang as the former was still in the team when the latter was brought? Same goes for Goetze? He replaced Lewandowski with Immobile and was a major flop. Mkhitaryan was Goetze replacement as he was brought the year Goetze left. Then he brought in Sahin and Kagawa who are a shadow of their former selves. Mkhitaryan was underperforming under him, now he get's the credit for this season under Tuchel? He also brought in Perisic, who in 2 seasons he benched and later sold to Wolfsburg and afterwards had a pretty good season, should he also take the credit for finding him?
As for Simeone - erm yeah, after he hit the heights - 1 EL, 1 Copa del Rey, 1 La Liga and 1 CL final, he's still in contention in the league this season. He has pretty short squad that he utilizes pretty well, hence doing better on the market.
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