Klopp, you cant win anything with kids 
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I think it was a direct response to rumblings around his job security.
Liverpool were never as big as we are now.
During their slump they never went out and bought arguably the best players in France / Germany / Italy. Nor get a Mourinho level manager in.
Imagine they bought Zidane / Sammer / Del Piero calibre players during that time, or hired Sacchi in as manager. Would they have dropped off as fast as they did?
It's two completely different scenarios. If we went down their road we would have signed Barkely / Henderson / Vardy / Stones managed by Giggs and hoped for the best.
It should be merged into the 'why do other teams fan hate us' thread as it is full of the type of opinions that answer that question perfectly.
It's not that I think he's changed since Dortmund or that he's becoming this or that, but I find him easily dislikeable now.
As was mentioned a few posts up, when he was at Dortmund he could be considered a caf darling, I was one of these who took a liking to him, but that was only seeing him once or so a month in the champions league when passion and tensions seem higher anyway, where when you seen him shouting and screaming, yea great because it was a one off and champs league semi or similar.
Now that he's in our face a lot more and showing that same passion when drawing at West Brom and jumping around breaking glasses it becomes more of a charade than genuine in my view.
As was mentioned a few posts up, when he was at Dortmund he could be considered a caf darling, I was one of these who took a liking to him, but that was only seeing him once or so a month in the champions league when passion and tensions seem higher anyway, where when you seen him shouting and screaming, yea great because it was a one off and champs league semi or similar.
Now that he's in our face a lot more and showing that same passion when drawing at West Brom and jumping around breaking glasses it becomes more of a charade than genuine in my view.
What does he expect them to do they're a League One/two side.
And yet he never seems to want to discuss how Tottenham have won one trophy in almost 20 years.
Weird that.
I'm glad the thread title got fixed. I was struggling with the idea of fractions of people as defenders.
You've never seen Moreno defend, then.
Not much to discuss to be fair.
I found him easily dislikable as soon as he signed for Liverpool.
As I posted that I expect that exact joke. Good work.
Funnily, I stopped liking Klopp before he became Liverpool manager. There was an interview he did (can't recall when), and his demeanour turned me off. Thought he was over the top and arrogant. Mind, all these football managers have a certain level of arrogance (which you arguably need to have). But somehow, I didn't find it amusing at that time. I may be wrong, but he came across as insincere.
I much rather someone who is in your face a twat, rather than someone who cloaks their 'twatishness' under the 'Mr Nice Guy' vise.
I much rather someone who is in your face a twat, rather than someone who cloaks their 'twatishness' under the 'Mr Nice Guy' vise.
Always been a fan of low hanging fruit.
Although I get your point, the argument on size of club, is very hard to compare. Liverpool still have shed load of fans abroad, probably 2nd to us, yet their success came at a time when football was far less commercial.
The fact is, by the time the earlier 90's came round they were the biggest team in England and most successful by some distance. It was pretty much unthinkable that they would still be waiting for a league title, 20 years (?) later and winning just one CL.
It's the same for us now, there is nothing to suggest (for me anyway) that we are definitely on course to return to our former glory (fine, we are on a good run, but there are some huge tests to come).
Yes we have one of the best managers, yes we have money, but so does everyone else in the top 6. With Chelsea and Spurs getting new grounds, they will only become bigger.
We have missed out on the CL 3 times in the last 4 years and up until 3 weeks ago it looked a long shot for next season. There is no way we will keep spending the money / attracting the players we have been, IF we continue to fail to qualify, and in reality history only get's you so far.
I hope we do find our way back to the top, but, for me, it's a case of if rather than when - we are 1 of 6 very good teams in the league and I can't see that changing anytime soon - there isn't enough room for everyone...
The voice of reason, well said sir.
Clubs are too big and the football world is too small for any big club to fall away. The only scenario that puts a club in danger is if they fall off a financial cliff.
Liverpool is too easy of a comparison imo, the football landscape has grown so much that they don't even resemble each other anymore.
Madrid are the club that I look at.
Pre and slightly post Ronaldo they were signing big star after big star to the point they had so much top talent that they just had to succeed, if only for the individual talent to make up for any weaknesses the side may have.
We've seen the differences our summer signings have made. If we do continue to sign some of the best players in the world then it's only a matter of time before it all clicks if by accident or design.
Money buys success. The top sides in every league are the sides that spend the most money. Just because Liverpool fecked it up for years doesn't mean we have to
Money makes success more likely but it is not a guarantee of it.
Who has spent money in European football and failed?
Um.. loads and loads of teams - only one team can win a league so that automatically means any other team that spent big who didn't come first failed.
Well, I for one, always thought Klopp was a massive thunder cnut who's personality, demeanor, arrogance, bitterness and general hippy-ness meant he was a perfect fit for the most cnutish football club in history (Liverpool fyi). He's a detestable fecking prick.
Erm... We did a pretty good job of it.
Juve and PSG dominate their respective league. Madrid and Barca speak for themselves.
Of course Im talking about using the money to bring in proven, quality talent. City spending 100 odd million on Stones and Mangala doesn't really count since they're overpaying for average players. Im talking about going out and signing proven world class players from other top sides. That's where elite clubs simply don't fail.
As Perez says, it's a bigger gamble to sign three or four players for 25m than signing an elite player for 80m
I was really talking about the quality of player we signed last summer, being linked with Griezmann and the cost that brings.
The quality players. Of course buying a Skoda for Ferrari money doesn't mean success!
I'll leave it at that, doesn't really fit into the thread
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In all seriousness here, wasn' this more like....a light hearted joke? I've watched the post match interview (which I guessed none of your did), he praised Plymouth and dropped a few jokes about his team and the opponent also in his post match presser.
The blind hate around here is amazing, you are not even interested in the truth aren't you?
Good example how someone like Trump could get elected. If something fits your narrative, just go with it, feck the facts!
He's relaxed, he's laughing.
But no, because he's a Liverpool manager, he must be an evil twat!
This sums it up and shines a new light on it.
It's that shallow ' that lot over the hill ' mentality which is prominent in any kind of rivalry.
Put your pitch forks away lads .
I rest my case .
Absolutely spot on !
If Klopp went to United and Jose to us it would just be the opposite.
Most football fans seem to forget how to think for themselves. It's a case of run with the pack as they may pick on me if I don't.
Makes me laugh really.
No. Infact. It's societies problem.
That was a protest when the Yanks tried to push him out on the sly. There was many protests infact. We won. We protested for justice for 27 years. We won that to . What the rest of the country don't understand is we in Liverpool stick together .
It's much more effective than wearing green and yellow scarfs lad.
Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger all fit that model.
That's before going into Kaka, Torres, Shevchenko, Veron, etc.
2 of them were basically free though.
Horrible, seems footballers houses are sometimes viewed as a target knowing there may be goods worth high value inside.
My money is on the tooth fairy.
Firstly, no matter what era, the comparison between Utd and Liverpool is an obvious one, both huge institutions with incredible history.
Finances do help, of course they do, but don't guarantee success and as Utd fans I don't think we should be complacent enough to think, 'well just chuck money at it and it will be fine'. We have spent a boat load since Fergie left, and what has that achieved? One FA Cup and missing out of the CL 3 times in 4 years, along with having a squad littered with expensive flops (not including the players the 'World Class' stars Di Maria and Falcao who just about sum up our failed strategy).
You can't compare Madrid's approach, they 'compete' in a league where the TV rights are weighted so much that only 2/3 teams will ever compete for the league. There so much money in the Premier League, you have lower end teams spending £30mil on players, even in the Championship, clubs literally have money to burn - yet it doesn't guarantee titles, survival or promotion.
Regardless of whether Liverpool fecked it up, it's irrelevant, we are fighting against 6 teams now, 6 teams that have bucket loads of cash and will only get more.
Drink driving, house burgled - sounds like Christmas wasn't great for Firmino. Probably goes some way to explaining his drop in form.
This is all pretty obvious. United forum, Liverpool manager .... let's all wade in and kick the bastard regardless of the truth ! Tribal mentality (TBF as with all forums dedicated to one club).The blind hate around here is amazing, you are not even interested in the truth aren't you?
But no, because he's a Liverpool manager, he must be an evil twat!
Absolutely ... Spot On !
And another Bullseye !
I blame Chelsea.
People noticed a few Union Flags in the neighbourhood at the time.