A couple of wins and everything will be fine. Yes things look really bad now but they need to take the risk and stick with him.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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A couple of wins and everything will be fine. Yes things look really bad now but they need to take the risk and stick with him.
I can see future, believe me.
>Arsenal finishes outside Top 4
>Tuchel to BVB
>Klopp to Arsenal
>Wenger to manage English National Team
>Arsenal finishes outside Top 4
>Tuchel to BVB
>Klopp to Arsenal
>Wenger to manage English National Team
It's such a weird situation to see them in. I asked about it in the Bundesliga thread and @Balu included bad luck on his list of why things are looking quite so bad, and a poll @Blackwidow placed luck at the top of the list.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bun...siness-2014-2015.391777/page-66#post-16862228
I only really see them in Bundesliga highlights and the odd CL match so I'm only really seeing the statistics of the situation.
However, it's hard for me to see past it being a mental issue for the players. Some combination of the loss of their stars each year and the injury crisis feeding a, "We can't win the league," mood. But we're way past that now, half-way through the season and 12 points behind a Europa league place, and the players looking lost. As other people have said, they really need this winter break. Fresh start in the new year, for Klopp and the players, maybe.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/bun...siness-2014-2015.391777/page-66#post-16862228
I only really see them in Bundesliga highlights and the odd CL match so I'm only really seeing the statistics of the situation.
However, it's hard for me to see past it being a mental issue for the players. Some combination of the loss of their stars each year and the injury crisis feeding a, "We can't win the league," mood. But we're way past that now, half-way through the season and 12 points behind a Europa league place, and the players looking lost. As other people have said, they really need this winter break. Fresh start in the new year, for Klopp and the players, maybe.
Luck has certainly played its part. They really should have beaten a few teams, but their chance conversion was atrocious. In other games like Hertha BSC away and yesterday they were just pure shite and didn't deserve anything at all. It's definitely a mental issue, they have to realize they are fighting for survival. If they don't start well in spring they'll be in big trouble. Reus coming back will be boost though, he can lift them to another level (compared to the teams around them).
Champions League should be no priority now, dropping down to the 2nd Bundesliga would be an epic disaster.
Champions League should be no priority now, dropping down to the 2nd Bundesliga would be an epic disaster.
Well, actually not even Klopp.
He was babbling something about coming back stronger after the break and being difficult to beat.
Dortmund,Klopp and any asked player talked about a relegation battle these last weeks.
But can you blame them for not really thinking that? No.
They are still the 2nd/3rd best team in Germany and had the won their last 3 games they would be in the hunt for the CL places. Yes, its that tight in Germany.
Now of course they can forget that. MAYBE 4th is still in reach IF they survived most of their bad luck in the first part of the season and go on a great run.They did it before.
But they should and will do 2 things now;
invest in 2 or 3 new players during the break, to inject something new and more challenges for everyone and talk the DFB pokal up.
Europa League gives you points and its a nice european trophy so they will want to reach that.
Can someone help me here; is 7th now the last place for the EL, even if you have a team in the pokal final that didnt reacht the top 7 and plays against a CL team? Wasnt there talks about changing that?
I really disliked stuff coming out of Dortmund these last years but some here shouldnt forget what they did for Germany football but also any football fan with their great playing style.
Dont kick a sick horse(or however you say that in English
But can you blame them for not really thinking that? No.
They are still the 2nd/3rd best team in Germany and had the won their last 3 games they would be in the hunt for the CL places. Yes, its that tight in Germany.
Now of course they can forget that. MAYBE 4th is still in reach IF they survived most of their bad luck in the first part of the season and go on a great run.They did it before.
But they should and will do 2 things now;
invest in 2 or 3 new players during the break, to inject something new and more challenges for everyone and talk the DFB pokal up.
Europa League gives you points and its a nice european trophy so they will want to reach that.
Can someone help me here; is 7th now the last place for the EL, even if you have a team in the pokal final that didnt reacht the top 7 and plays against a CL team? Wasnt there talks about changing that?
I really disliked stuff coming out of Dortmund these last years but some here shouldnt forget what they did for Germany football but also any football fan with their great playing style.
Dont kick a sick horse(or however you say that in English
I'm convinced that it's Kuba's fault, every time he isn't there, they miss him so much, even when Gotze, Kagawa and Lewandowski were all there. He is the heart of their counter attacking football.
When Van Gaal retires.
They don't have near as much depth as we do, and selling their best player on 4 consecutive seasons surely was going to harm them.
Obviously, they are far better than the table shows (as they have proven from UCL) but it was always going to happen. Also it seems that Lewandovski's (Imobile and Adrian Ramos) replacement couldn't do as a good job as Sahin' (Gundogan), Kagawa (Reus) and Gotze (Mkhitaryan) replacement.
Likely their players have also been demotivated knowing that whatever they'll do, they won't be able to compete with Bayern.
Complex reasons and bar a dream run on UCL, it looks that BVB won't be able to be as good as they were before.
While there's a element of being unlucky with injuries, I was listen to the guardian's podcast and they were saying that Klopp's attitude has always been bit strange regarding players being injured. He's always talked about how he played as a player when constantly injured and how his feet are basically fecked because of this. And that he's been happy to bring back players who are only about 60% fit.
Don't know how much truth there is too this but it was interesting to know.
Don't know how much truth there is too this but it was interesting to know.
Yes you can. Having the best intentions but not the proper mindset will continue to hurt them.
Also it can be concluded that Klopp doesn't have the tactical knowledge to adapt his formation for this battle. He is kind of a one-trick-pony, all motivation and all that, but he has no alternatives at hand. (Or maybe he is too focused on his idea of football.)
It would be quite interesting if BVB gets relegated. Would Klopp then be remembered as a hero or as a failure?
On a more funny note, imagine if BVB both get relegated but win UCL. The champions of Europe next season playing in the second league of their country. That has really never happened before, right?
On a more funny note, imagine if BVB both get relegated but win UCL. The champions of Europe next season playing in the second league of their country.
That has really never happened before, right?Definitely a hero. A two time champion with Dortmund... even if his whole career went doom from now on, he would be remembered as a legend.
Oh come on. Every coach and every team has a bad run and they had all those injuries. There is also a pressure to just win games because you are Dortmund.
I cant stand people who come now and declare everything bad at Dortmund. Klopp is a world class coach(and not a one trick pony, we would know that after all this time in the BL) and the club got a great team together.
Look; is the situation really bad? Of course. Do they need a few victories after the winter break? At all costs.
But the team, the coach and the club earned enough respect since 2008 to give them one bad season.
For all we know they could reach 7th, win the cup and go to the CL quartes without that much luck.
Hold your horses. Respect is something every football fan should have. Specially for work like they did in Dortmund.
"One trick pony".
Good thing that I can laugh about stuff like that.On a more funny note, imagine if BVB both get relegated but win UCL. The champions of Europe next season playing in the second league of their country.
Haha,yes. Thought about that too. Would be great for the 2nd German league.
But the crazy thing is that it WILL happen sometimes. So many club can go into a CL now. And in a top 5 league, when all goes downhill? I really think that we will see a CL winner who plays in the 2nd division of its country in the next 50 years.
The closest example I can think of in recent history is Wigan winning the FA Cup and playing in the Europa. They were relegated and played in the Championship that season; other than that, nar.It would be quite interesting if BVB gets relegated. Would Klopp then be remembered as a hero or as a failure?
On a more funny note, imagine if BVB both get relegated but win UCL. The champions of Europe next season playing in the second league of their country.
Second last after 17 games, that's just crazy. I even thought when they were nearly last after 10 games I thought they'd still turn it around and make top four or close enough to it but feck me they're actually in a relegation battle.
Maybe we should go for Hummels or Reus in January IF they are our targets.
Maybe we should go for Hummels or Reus in January IF they are our targets.
Klopp to Liverpool...?
That's the spirit of Christmas!
Just saying that because Hummels just gifted Bremen two goals. (And he has done that like 5-6 times this season.)
So if you want United to go around and donate a point here and there, then Hummels is the best call, I guess.
Just a hunch, but I see him there or Arsenal next.
You would want klopp after the season he is having?
At this stage I would really like to see how he recovers before considering him for a job as big as utd
Just because he's confidence is down doesn't mean he's a bad player and if we're going to continue to pass and hold possession himself and Pique are probably the best ball playing CBs in the world, he'd be ideal for LVG's ''Philosophy''.
There's plenty on here who would want United to sign a bag of cement if it had played for Dortmund. Very weird.
Not just the players must understand that.
every dortmund fan and their dog are currently clinging to the idea of a hasty emergency acquisition of salzburg's kevin kampl in the upcoming transfer window, as he's being seen as the only realistic target slash messiah to solve their obvious lack of creative key-passing and whatnot - plus everybody's really looking forward to three weeks of actual training time during the winter break, after which dortmund will miraculously raise from the ashes like a phoenix. fun fact: langerak, kagawa and aubameyang will probably miss most of it due to international duties - as will mkhitaryan due to a long-term injury. which is pretty, erm, bad, especially when it comes to kagawa and mkhitaryan, each of whom clearly not playing to their potential, by miles that is. phew. fun times ahead.
meanwhile, marco reus, while severely injured, has just been fined a freak fee of €540k for repeated traffic violations without ever having a driver's licence.
meanwhile, marco reus, while severely injured, has just been fined a freak fee of €540k for repeated traffic violations without ever having a driver's licence.
So he's in serious danger of going from being probably one of the most coveted and in demand mangers around to a manger in a real relegation battle and fighting to stay in a job?
How quickly things can change.
How quickly things can change.
I think part of it is that Bundesliga teams have started to figure out how to play against Dortmund. Its clear that they aren't a bad team, they walked their CL group. On the other hand, the Bundesliga opponents have come to know their style of play and can totally nullify their tactics.
Did they lose again?
fecking hell.
fecking hell.
Sort of. They were -3 goals away from being second, and looked terrible in their last 2 games.
They lost on the weekend. They would be bottom had Freibug not fecked up their 2-0 lead with less than 10 minutes to go
They've lost 10 out of 17. Insane.
Relegation form tbh and you have to wonder if Klopp hasn't miscalculated massively by staying at Dortmund this long and resisting bigger jobs when his stock was higher. The United job was there for the taking, twice, with it's accompanying transfer warchest, not to speak of the Chelsea on (before Mourinho), City ( would they hafe hired Pellegrini if he was available?). No disrespect to Dortmund but always losing your best player isn't an ideal situation for team building.
Brilliant manager, I'd take him at United 100% still, he can build a dynasty and we won't have to watch this stupid "playing from the back" bollocks every week.
Really really hope he doesn't end up at Arsenal, City or L'pool.
Really really hope he doesn't end up at Arsenal, City or L'pool.
Lewandowski was one loss too many for me. You can replace other players, but it is hard replacing a goal scorer. Subotic sadly hasn't looked the same since coming back.
Yeah but they'd qualified by the last two games.
Well Piszczek, Hummels, Subotic and Schmelzer have had many and long injuries.......all have lost some speed.....best example was their match against Hertha Berlin.
This "a couple of wins" argument.. I've been hearing it for a couple of months now.
Definitely don't want him here if he can't turn this around and/or gets his reputation back. I seriously doubt any other major club would take a chance on him without rectifying his situation.
Would love this.
This is actually serious, Dortmund are in a relegation battle. Both the players and Klopp and the players have to face facts and play as relegation battlers would; Sacrifice entertaining football and grind out results. They need a few wins on the trot to get the confidence back up, and then they can think about playing beautiful football again.
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