2 years on, with more money in the PL than ever and we sell Mata to Everton for less than what we paid them for Fellaini? That would be really stupid.
Juan Mata
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Actually i forgot about Mophead coimg from them. feck it, we want £60mil for Mata, no less.
Because PL clubs atm have more money than they can realistically spend.
£25m is a shocking amount of money for him.
25million? Yes please! Good player but not good enough, he is like those Warm Weather players. And we already got his replacement for a little bit more money but a better player.A Win Win situation for everyone.
Impossibile, he would never accept a move to Everton
Wouldn't accept less than the money we paid. We don't need to sell and he would still be useful as a squad player.
Would be a typical Arsene Wenger signing.
Happy to see him go, never lived up to expectations and lacks the pace needed to play for in free flowing attacking side.
I think he would do really well in Italy or Spain were the build up play is slower.
I think he would do really well in Italy or Spain were the build up play is slower.
£25 million? No way. For £30 million you can't even buy Deeney these days, can't buy Ighalo for £38 million, surely we shouldn't sell Mata for anything below £40m? But yeah, knowing us he will leave for £10 million.
The fundamental difference is that Everton are demanding top money for a player they want to keep, whereas if Mata leaves it's because United want him off the wage bill. The leverage is all the buyers, rather than the sellers as with Stones.
People always ignore this when moaning about the fees we get for outgoing players.
The one time we sold a player without it being our wish we got a world record fee for him.
Trying to think of a destination for Mata in football. I can see a club like Roma being a well suited team for his skillset but they're stacked for midfielders.
Agreed, its like going to a nice restaurant you can only spend within your means, one may be able to contribute more where-as another can only contribute less to the bill. Clubs know that before going into deals what the revenue of a club is, what the evaluation of a player is and go from there.
Can't wait to see the back of him but only if we get offered £30m. That would be a fair price or at least get someone as part of a swap deal. He'd do decent job for a Spurs or West Ham.
He's a better option than Rooney so if we're selling a 10 why not sell Rooney instead. He'd love to play for Everton.
We just paid more than that for a slightly younger player with 1 year left on his contract. I don't see how he devalued by 12 million at United when his goals and assists stats are better at United than at Chelsea.
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I wouldnt sell him but guess, if true, he is not cnut enough and has way to much of class for JM.
Mhkitaryan is a year younger than Mata and is coming of a fantastic season, which you can't say about Mata. The big difference however is the fact that Dortmund had no interest in selling Mhkitaryan while every chairman and their mother knows we are looking to offload Mata.
Slow this, weak that yet despite the tumescent football he has probably been directly involved in more goals than any other player in our squad in the last 2 seasons.
Priorities
Priorities
Henri Mhkitaryan is a year younger and a better player. Hes devalued due to his age and his contribution to the team as a whole. Great guy and given us some great moments but time for him to go, hopefully Felliani and Rooney go with him.
Mata doesn't have any of the traists you'd associate with a Jose forward but I agree that we should be selling others first, it's offensive to sell him before we finally get shot of Fellaini.
Imagine Mata, Rooney & Ibra up top next season.
Pace
Pace
They don't have money.
When the likes of Troy deeney is worth 30m+ and john stones is 50m+ im not selling Juan fecking mata for 25m. sorry but no. We arent strong enough to be selling one of our best attacking players.
It's maddening how we always buy high and sell low. Like you say, this is a market that values Troy Deeney at £30 million. £25 million for Mata is better value than happy hour at any given cocktail bar!
If we play 4231 then there is a place for him, if it is 433 then there isn't. If he does go then i would prefer to China and cash in, or sell to another European club. If we sold to another premier league club then they should pay a big premium like we had to or force a player trade, so either Stones or Barkley in this case.
It's because we are not a selling club, we usually only sell players when we don't want them anymore and this shows in the fee's we receive. Ronaldo of course being the big exception and then we got a world record fee.
I can't see Mata joining a club like Everton.
Plus if Deeney is worth £25m then Mata should be valued at £40m.
Plus if Deeney is worth £25m then Mata should be valued at £40m.
He could replace Fred the Red as the club mascot.
FWIW, I wouldn't sell him.
FWIW, I wouldn't sell him.
Keep him for the transition season if he and Jose can work together, then re-evaluate. He'll get games especially with Europa and the cups, and some league appearances, but I don't want us relying on him as a primary contributor. Especially if we're going to continue playing Rooney.
Lazy rumors just cause Mourinho is at United.
I guess if he does leave it will sadly be a case of him departing after two and a half seasons of rarely coming close to fulfilling our expectations. Most were expecting, or at least hoping for, the Juan Mata that was Chelsea Player of the Year two seasons in a row. Instead for the bulk of his time here he was quite frankly a shadow of that performer.
Now to what extent he is accountable for his own disappointing tenure or how much blame should be afforded to managers Moyes and Van Gaal is another question. Regardless I think most fans will lament never truly seeing the very best of him.
Now to what extent he is accountable for his own disappointing tenure or how much blame should be afforded to managers Moyes and Van Gaal is another question. Regardless I think most fans will lament never truly seeing the very best of him.
Usual point re us being an average side last year and being below the standard we ought to be, but yes you're right, his stats were as good as anyone else's in the side.
Maybe but its hardly a long shot. Mourinho got rid of Mata after he had been Chelseas player of the year twice in a row.
Makes sense though if it is true. Mata hasn't established a role in the team that makes him a key player for us, despite being here 2.5 seasons. I get that the team hasn't been good enough for him to show his best form in, but the team isn't going to be built around him from here on in either so it's unlikely the conditions for him to shine will be there. Added to that, you see United sign Mkhi and factor in the rest of the attacking players we have and may add to, and it's difficult to find a consistent place for Mata in there.
If Everton want him they can cough up £30m. Would be utterly sickening to give them Mata for less than we paid for a player literally 1/10th of his caliber.
Think he'd be good value for Atletico or Juventus. Maybe even Sevilla/back to Valencia.
Think he'd be good value for Atletico or Juventus. Maybe even Sevilla/back to Valencia.
Supply/demand.
Watford need Deeney yet Mata is, or at least should be, surplus to requirements at OT.
If we get £25m for him i'll gobsmacked.
IF we sell him, it's got to be abroad or back to Spain.
But why sell him? He's still a great player, just perhaps not good enough to start with in the big games. He always chips I. With goals and assists, I say keep him.
But why sell him? He's still a great player, just perhaps not good enough to start with in the big games. He always chips I. With goals and assists, I say keep him.
Everton just came into money and they'll want to make a statement signing.
If we sell him, fecking take them for all their worth. Tired of being ripped off from that club when they pay the minimum for their players.
If we sell him, fecking take them for all their worth. Tired of being ripped off from that club when they pay the minimum for their players.